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Deal the Beard: What just happened?

by Royce Young on October 28, 2012 at 12:45 am 1,440 Comments

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Well.

Um.

What.

Just.

Happened.

First, let’s get the details here: The Thunder trade James Harden (WHAT), Cole Aldrich, Lazar Hayward and Daequan Cook to the Houston Rockets for Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb, two first round picks and a second rounder (via Charlotte). The two first round picks come via Toronto and Dallas, with a top-three protection on the Raptors pick.

Now, let’s talk about this.

Actually, hang on, I still need a minute.

(Huffing into a paper bag.)

Why did the Thunder trade James Harden? Why now? Why not wait? Is this the best they could do? Has this been in the works for a while now? Did Presti have trade Harden launch codes in a briefcase this whole time? What happened?

One thing’s for sure: I was completely, totally, unequivocally wrong about this situation. I felt like I had a good read on it, but nope, not at all. When news broke of the Thunder offering Harden a $52 million, it struck me as nothing but good news. Oklahoma City and Harden were talking, an offer was on the table and if The Beard was truly serious about all the talking of “sacrifice” and staying with the Thunder, then a deal would get done.

At the very worst, a deal wouldn’t get done by Oct. 31, Harden would become a restricted free agent while the Thunder played out the season contending for a title and then revisit it all in the offseason either matching a max offer or signing and trading him then. Or letting him walk. But at the least, it was going to be one more shot with The Beard.

Instead, a haymaker has been thrown at the chemistry and make-up of the roster. Gone is the Sixth Man of the Year. Gone is the guy that scored 15 points in the fourth quarter to beat Dallas in Game 4. Gone is the guy that knocked down the dagger in Game 5 in San Antonio. Gone is that beautiful mass of hair on his face.

There’s good reason for Thunder fans to be blindsided by this. Harden led everyone on. He talked about taking less, about building a dynasty in OKC. Check these quotes:

  • From media day: “Oh yeah, yeah. Sacrifice. I think everybody on this team has sacrificed in their own way just for the better of the team. I think that’s why we’re so close. Like I said, I think everything will work itself out eventually.”
  • From media day on if he only wanted the max: “No, no. Like I said, I’m not really worried about that.”
  • Harden after the Finals: “This team is like a family. Like, we’re really brothers. We hang out most of the time every single day. You won’t find any other team like this. I love it here. This is something special here. A dynasty is being built here. So we’re winning, we’re having fun and we’re brothers. The other stuff, you can’t buy it.”

So you can see why it feels like a gut punch. We took Harden at his word. And in the end, he valued the money over staying with the Thunder and competing for a championship. It’s his choice. It’s his money. His future. He can do what he wants. He just shouldn’t have led everyone on.

The Thunder replace their third banana — and often second and first banana, depending on the time — with a capable and wonderfully efficient scorer in Martin, an intriguing wing in Lamb and the hope of flexibility, cap space and potential lottery picks.

In terms of trading Harden, it’s a good deal. Maybe even a great deal. The Thunder got a whole lot back, stay good in the present and have the chance to reload in the future.

But that doesn’t excuse a) the message it sends and b) the current season. Talk yourself into Kevin Martin all you want (and know that I’m trying really, really hard to myself), but he’s not James Harden. He doesn’t have his creation ability, the skill to play on the ball or off it, the ability to fit seamlessly with Durant and Westbrook and the ability to own a game all on his own while at the same time completely involving everyone.

The Thunder aren’t as good right now as they were yesterday. Are the still a title contender? Can they still beat the Lakers? I think so. Maybe. Possibly. But I’m for sure that they’re worse right now. Also, your new backup center: Hasheem Thabeet. If you were worried about Cole Aldrich, tremble in fear, Thunder fans.

On the message it sends: What Oklahoma City fans are quickly learning is that the business of professional sports is ugly, nasty and deceitful. The Thunder came up to $55.5 million for Harden. A max was roughly $60 million. Yeah, yeah the luxury tax, but if you’re willing to come that far, why not go a little further? Clearly, the sermon Presti has been preaching about “challenges” is serious. The Thunder can’t compete financially with the big boys. They can’t keep their own players. They can’t re-sign a 23-year-old star that’s just coming in to his own and was a key piece on a championship caliber team.

Instead, they had to deal him away to try and spare some money in the future. It makes me wonder: If OKC can’t do that, what does the long-term future hold for this franchise here? If they’re willing to let a player like Harden get away over $4.5 million, does that give you great confidence going forward? Will they spend this new flexibility on free agents or just horde it for “later”? I asked this on Twitter but got roasted for it: If the team were still in Seattle with that big TV market, would Harden have been re-signed?

This is truly the watershed “welcome to the NBA” moment for OKC. The Jeff Green deal was big and wild, but it was also necessary. This wasn’t. This was a business decision, not a roster decision. The Thunder aren’t trying to add a critical piece for a title run. They’re fussing over dollars and cents. If James Harden is expendable, then who isn’t?

(Let me throw out the brief upside of this deal: Martin is an expiring deal, plus the Thunder have two solid first rounders. There will be some flexibility there and a whole lot of options. Plus, Martin’s not a bad player and Lamb could be OK. See, I’m already talking myself into this!)

It feels like a dark day for the organization and professional basketball in Oklahoma City. Again, it’s a nice trade speaking strictly about pieces. And if the Thunder had topped Miami in the Finals last season, I’m not sure I’d care all that much. But I wanted to see THIS team go for it. I wanted to see if this group could get it done. Now, we’ll never know. And there was no reason it couldn’t have happened.

Instead of thinking about this season, Presti tried to think about the next five. That’s always been the Thunder way, but until that banner hangs in OKC, what does it matter? You play for championships and the Thunder had a great shot to grab one this season.

Now? I’m not so sure.

What just happened?

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iballsohawaii
iballsohawaii 5pts

Harden's year was highly inflated due to Maynor's injury. With a healthy Maynor, Harden just doesn't get the same amount of touches. I mean, I'm glad Harden stepped up last year given the circumstances cause we needed him to and hell yeah, James does a ton of things well and we are much much better with him on our team, but we just don't need him anymore nearly as much as we want him. 

rednuht
rednuht 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @iballsohawaii I agree to a certain degree, except it became clear that Harden was much better than even Maynor at running the offense for the second unit and better with the starting unit at the end of games.

 

If you'd said this before the trade I would have suggested that Maynor gets traded. Maynor is no Harden.

 

I

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

@rednuht @iballsohawaii another justin

IceOrEnder
IceOrEnder 5pts

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Jeremy-Lamb-Video-Scouting-Report-3949/

 

Good Jeremy Lamb video breaking down his game.

rednuht
rednuht 5pts

 @IceOrEnder I loved the part where the best case scenario projection for Lamb was Kevin Martin. Doh!

 

And of course the worst case projection was Rashad McCants due to Lamb's history of bad body language. Great!

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I got the Home Alone "After shave" avi lol

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Im K-Dagger Lambchop now

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

Rrrrggg

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

Wait, what happened?

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Alright, my new name!

iammattyoung
iammattyoung 5pts

A couple things. The thunder should have really tried to get a big man who can play with his back to the basket. That's what this team is missing, and losing Harden without acquiring that is a problem.

 

On the upside, yes, Martin is an expiring contract, which means that he could be a trading chip in a few months.

rednuht
rednuht 5pts

 @iammattyoung Didn't Presti trade Harden now to minimize disruption during the season and allow Brooks to prepare the team for the playoffs?

 

No one out there is going to be offering desirable low post players for Martin or Lamb at any point in the near future. Harden was the chip for that.

 

I will point out that I don't agree that the Thunder need a low post player, at least I didn't until Harden was traded.

SB718
SB718 5pts

Even if Martin is a drop off from Harden an offense that was legendary for most of the playoffs is not going to become bad all of a sudden.  We forget Durant and Westbrook probably will be better, Serge will probably be better and Jones and Maynor were added.

Beyond that this team was THIS close to an 2-0 lead in the Finals and had a double digit fourth quarter lead in I believe Game 4, with Harden pulling a disappearing act.  His offensive efficiency is awesome but this team lost to Miami because of defense....well guess what 6'7", 7 foot wingspan Jeremy Lamb does well?

rednuht
rednuht 5pts

 @SB718 Unfortunately your memory isn't very good. This is an offense that absolutely becomes bad all of a sudden. Players stop passing the ball, they stop moving, Westbrook and Durant focus on their isolation games, teammates are not ready to shoot and stop playing with the same intensity on defense.

 

This team was close to the ultimate goal and with deliberate thought chose to take a step back.

SB718
SB718 5pts

 @rednuht No my memory is pretty good.  That's a coaching problem what does that have to do with Martin?  You've never seen Harden stand around?

rednuht
rednuht 5pts

 @SB718 As convenient as it is to blame Brooks every time the offense stagnates, that still falls on the players as well.

 

I watched Harden stand and watch Westbrook and Durant iso, yes, that's my point.

rednuht
rednuht 5pts

Is there any way, any way in hell Jeremy Lamb would start at shooting guard?

 

Practical Reason: It would allow the Thunder to get a defender Sefolosha and or Liggins next to Martin off the bench.

 

If Ibaka gets the ball more the team doesn't need Lamb to do much and could probably win during the regular season with even a rookie defender at SG. Lamb's presence would force Westbrook and Durant to raise their defense through survival instinct.

 

Spiteful Reason: It would probably piss James Harden off to see Lamb starting.

BrightFuture
BrightFuture 5pts

 @rednuht no,we have thabo !

rednuht
rednuht 5pts

 @No beard no fear Time to use him to protect Martin and let Durant and Westbrook be accountable for their own defensive assignments!

BrightFuture
BrightFuture 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9hqflqr 

MissYouCole
MissYouCole 5pts

 @No beard no fear wes matthews :(

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts

 @No beard no fear HA! if only...

persiansooner
persiansooner 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7066088/nba-player-rankings-41-45

 

Kevin Martin ... second in the league in scoring per minute, close to that in points given up per minute. #NBArank

 

Kevin Martin is 42 in #NBArank but out of the top 50 he's the player casual fans would be least likely to recognize at a grocery store.

 

No. 42 Kevin Martin. I wonder how many people are now thinking, "Oh yeah I forgot about him, he's pretty good." #NBArank

desatt
desatt 5pts

So with this trade we lost four players and only gained two, who gets those spots? Orton seems like a shoe in but who else?

rednuht
rednuht 5pts

 @desatt The team should keep those two spots empty to save more money. Money is really important. The owners didn't become billionaires by giving money away.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @desatt We lost one of my favorite players so we should sign one of them, Craig Smith is available.

SB718
SB718 5pts

Kevin Martin will NOT command Harden's salary on the open market.  Why is it assumed he's a rental?  And if he's not here next year it's probably because he was included in another big trade.

rednuht
rednuht 5pts

 @SB718Because we all want someone healthy, someone who can play defense long term and basically someone better than Martin.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @SB718 Seems like a weird spot to re-sign him.  Gonna be 30, injury prone - probably has a lot to do with the type of season he has.

SB718
SB718 5pts

 @justin_mia Surely possible.  His injury history is concerning.  I also know a guy who's best teammate ever before this may be Brad Miller surely might be more "efficient" on this team, especially when he's had a history of being efficient.  Having said all that between him, Jones, Maynor, and improvements from KD and RW, that 18-20 points from Harden can be made up.  Maynor being back also mitigates the fact that Harden was a big ball handler.  I can't be distraught over this.  NO team has 4 max or near max players, but the Lakers and they print money.  A GM has to keep his team competitive while also having options.  This team can still win the championship.  And we also have proven scorer on a expiring, good young talent, and picks....THAT couldn't get another really good player.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Some entertainment for you guys in these trying times.  The best music video of ALL TIME!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLK5ZOjWaXE

SoCal Thunder
SoCal Thunder 5pts

 @Tronchaser AGAIN!?!?!!? WHYYYYYY

 

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Tronchaser

Are you daring justin to Like it?

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 why yes, yes I am.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Tronchaser

That's just wrong . . .

:)

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 No, no.. oh so right!

diddoff
diddoff 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/10/sunday-bolts-bye-bye-beard-edition/

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

Going for coffee now.  If OBoyzOld Man/Morgan Freeman/God shows up this morning, someone please let me know when I return.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

can't lie, im happy that harden was traded...He wasn't a good defensive player but he wasn't too bad..K-Mart is the worst of the worst, he can't defend anyone, 

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TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

 @SergeIblocka    There's something to that "Collison made" theory.  Nick makes everybody look better.  That's one of his strengths.

diddoff
diddoff 5pts

The reason he didn't want to take less? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zr7lY4WsFA

cleandoe
cleandoe 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @diddoff No time for those types of jokes

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Will harden be mad when we win the championship and he is sitting at home on his couch since april

Aren't
Aren't 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

I'm more at peace with this trade than I was last night. Actually, I could not have been more worked up last night than I was.

 

I'm just terrified at what we're potentially giving up here. We went to the Finals last year and with Harden, regardless what some people say, he was a really good player. We could have potentially gone again this year. It wouldn't have been easy, but this team couldn't have done it.

 

I'm not saying this trade makes the Thunder a cellar-dwelling team, but still. I guess I'm just in the "if it's not broke, don't fix it" crowd.

 

In 3 years, if this team hasn't made another NBA Finals push, then I'll remember this trade as a result.

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Aren't Thats the spirit. Its a good trade. 

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @WeTalkinBoutPractice?  @Aren't

 We just all want reassurance that Presti didn't get mixed up and think he was playing in ou_sas' gag league.

eallen7
eallen7 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Sorry im late to the discussion, woke up this morning still trying to figure out what the hell happened?! I have so many emotions right now

JanetSnakehole
JanetSnakehole 5pts

 @eallen7 Still heartbroken over this. 

persiansooner
persiansooner 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 8 Like

 @eallen7 lazar got traded...

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

@JHarden13 God has a plan for us! @DC4Three @colea45 & Lazar.

 

no he doesnt 

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts

 @Lost Ones  LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL you're terrible

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Lost Ones  @JHarden13  @DC4Three  @colea45 for lazar his plan it to not have him play in the nba

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @f5alcon LMAO

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts

 @Lost Ones  @f5alcon The both of you need a time out

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