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DT Mailbag: Kickstarting a dynasty?

by Royce Young on October 5, 2012 at 2:12 pm 104 Comments

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This is a not-so-serious question, but it’s been burning inside me for a solid week or so. A couple friends and I were sitting around the table at for our weekly guys’ night, and as we drank craft beer and played a solid round of Catan, we discussed the slight possibility of civic project of raising money to cover the luxury tax issues that will most likely come in place for James Harden.

Would it even be legal to start a Kickstarter page with the sole purpose of covering the Thunder’s cost of luxury tax if we did sign Harden? I seriously think that OKC would muster up the cash to make four/five more years of watching a Thunder dynasty happen. I know that, for one, I would easily cough up twenty to fifty dollars just to watch Harden play for four years, and I have a feeling that many people in OKC would feel similarly. Also thinking about MAPS 6 as an option. — Wil N.

Big fan of when someone takes an idea of mine and emails it to me.

But seriously though, it’s actually a pretty interesting thought. Someone smarter than I can probably say officially, but I don’t see why it wouldn’t be legal to do something like that. Kickstarter is technically for creative projects, but some consider the NBA art, so let’s stretch the rules a little.

(An aside on Kickstarter: I had a conversation with local comedian Ryan Drake recently and he made the interesting point that Kickstarters are basically the new Nigerian prince scam. Think about that.)

Here’s the issues with it though: I feel like the backlash would be horrible because if let’s say 50,000 Oklahomans gave 20 bucks, that’s a million dollars. How come we can’t raise that kind of money for charity or starving children in Africa, but can do it to help make a millionaire basketball player even richer and save a billionaire owner some money? Priorities, priorities, Okies.

Then again, we already tax ourselves for arenas because we want the entertainment and fun that comes with having an NBA team. So why not try and make sure that team is as competitive and good as it possibly could be? If we’re going to pay for our “entertainment” already by taxing on a building for them to play in, why not put our own money towards the product itself? I feel like I could justify this to myself as I changed the channel on a Feed the Children infomercial. (Relevant note: I’m a terrible person.)

The sad (or great, depending on perspective) thing is, if the penny tax were put on a ballot in November to fund the luxury tax for the next five years, I’m pretty sure it would pass. Extend it a little longer to hopefully raise a few banners in OKC? I think I know what I’d vote.

It’s certainly not the most talked about topic for Thunder fans, but I was looking at some contract information and I saw that Daequan Cook’s contract expires after this season. I was just wondering if it was possible to let Cook walk to free up cap space to re-sign Maynor, if the Thunder would even consider that option. I like Cook, and maybe he would take a pay cut on a new contract, but I think going forward Maynor is more important for OKC. What do you think? — Chad E.

Cook indeed is a free agent after this season (the only true one on the team), but his contract status isn’t going to really impact any of the other stuff. Because all of that conversation is taking place under the assumption that Cook would not be re-signed anyway. That’s a big reason I think Andy Rautins and Hollis Thompson are in camp. The Thunder are looking for future replacements.

Short of not re-signing Harden, nothing is going to “free up” space to retain Maynor. It’s simply a matter of if ownership is willing to just spend. If they’ll unload for Harden, maybe they’ll do the same for Maynor. Or, if they’re unwilling to pay for Harden, then it makes Maynor a much easier re-sign.

I believe the reason we have a herd of center prospects is that the Thunder are praying that one of them will prove to be a serviceable replacement for Perkins. If that happens, they amnesty Perkins and pay Harden whatever it takes. — Carl B.

Yep, that’s the situation summarized pretty succinctly. Though it’s not exactly in that order necessarily, because if Harden is extended, Perk still wouldn’t need to be amnestied until 2014-15 at the earliest and likely 2015-16.

I’m sitting here thinking about the Thunder, and being that I am a sophomore in college, it’s strikingly bizarre that this is a norm for me to be thinking about the Thunder around midnight on Thursdays when I should be doing other things. However,  tonight I just realized a DEFINING moment of last season, and one that should change for this upcoming season.

During the finals, after just showing us their potential peak, or close to its peak, against the Spurs in the west semis, they got floored. It was from nothing they did, but rather from what was going on on the other side of the floor. I caught this when I saw ABC showing footage just before the players walked out. LeBron was surrounded by the entire Heat team, giving an extremely passionate pre-game speech. His Heat immediately knew who their general was, and it showed on the court. In the other tunnel, ABC showed our Thunder being surrounding Derek Fisher, 8th man. The Thunder should have been surrounding Kevin Durant. KD should have stepped up and fulfilled the ultimate leader role: the general. KD is already a team leader, but if he reached that final step, his team would immediately know who to rally around. LeBron reached this level this year. His final step was to completely take hold of his team, off and on the court. Dwyane Wade is on the Heat, a superstar. The year before, Wade was looked to as the  general, while LeBron merely a on court leader in terms of production. For the Thunder, Russ and KD are looked to as on court leaders, both in ways of verbiage and production.

This season, Durant needs to completely, 100% usurp himself as The General this season. He needs to be viewed as the one to rally around, the one for whom once he gets hot, the other players step their games up. This year before games such as Game 1 of the Finals, it is Durant whom the Thunder are surrounding in the hallway. It is Durant who is telling HIS team that he is leading HIS team to battle and they need to follow him. Once Durant reaches this level, he will plant himself as the best player in the game over LeBron. I firmly believe that Durant’s on court skills are just the thinnest of slices below LeBron’s. However, it is Durant’s leadership that will quantify LeBron’s that it will more than cover for this slight. Therefore, I believe that this is The Year of KD, and he not only will become a general for his team, supplant LeBron as the best player in the game, and give Finals Game 1 peptalks, but also…lead HIS team to a NBA Championship. — Matthew R. 

KD has never been an extremely vocal leader. He leads by ultimate example, a quality that is better than empty rah-rah words. I agree that Durant should make sure he completely takes control of the emotional side of the game, but the Heat didn’t beat the Thunder just because LeBron gave a great speech before the game. There’s something to be said for it, definitely, but the game is played on the floor, not in the locker room.

Remember though: KD just turned 24. He just completed his fifth season. He’s still learning a lot about the game and himself. He’s learning how to lead, he’s learning how to take control of a team. It’s not exactly something you can just do. It’s something you have to build up to, something you have to earn. Durant has the respect of everyone in that locker room. They’d die for him (metaphorically speaking, I hope). He’s a tremendous person to follow behind and has as much to do with the revered “Thunder Culture” as Sam Presti or Clay Bennett does. Durant’s set the tone, he’s set the standard.

KD’s learning, improving and growing. He’ll get there. Don’t worry.

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Fisha Status 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Kinda late but for that last letter from the Mailbag -- Not sure if KD needs to be more forceful during pre-game speeches to win. I remember during one of the finals games camera caught Lebron's pregame speech. It was this: "Play as if its your last breath"  

 

LOL thats it. his pregame speech would be okay to send via twitter without it being too long. 

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

Does anyone else on here think Lebron is an overrated defender? ..I hate it when people say he can guard all 5 positions when I know for sure he can't 

KellOne
KellOne 5pts

 @kennygee90 Also, it's easier to guard aggressively when you have the luxury of officials swallowing their whistles except when he fouled out in the ECF and was left in complete and utter shock, immediately texting Stern asking him how could he ever let this happen.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @kennygee90

 His backside defense and spacing is just as good as great can be. Since being down south with Wade i believe his on-ball d has  greatly increased. Yes LBJ is a good defender. But Players like KD and Russ can only be containted anyways.  LBJ is very good at spacing and foot work.

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @kennygee90 Well he shut down Rose two years ago in the playoffs and he regularly guards 3s and 4s, so the only question is can he guard 5s.  The answer is yes to the ones that are guardable, but the truly great 5s are pretty much unstoppable to everyone.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @senseandsenescence Derrick Rose is the only person i've ever seen him slow down..If he guards 4's the only option he has is fronting as he did with gasol..SF? like who Durant, Melo? they all went off on him.He can only guard less skilled players at their positions..His an amazing weakside and off ball defender but his one on one is overrated IMO.. even Jason Terry went off on him so I don't get it..

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

I know it is not a lot but doesnt the saraly cap raise by 3% or so each year?  What can we expect to have as a tax cap next 13-14?

 

Crow?

 

 

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Bsooreal I did some calcs on @ou_sas 's spreadsheet to give people an idea here...

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgbOTqYzmgHidE8xTlBZR2NqWDVXZWN0dXdDdGR4UlE#gid=13

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @senseandsenescence  @ou_sas

 Those extimated increases are sure low but it gives me an idea of where we  will be at. Thank you.

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Bsooreal  @ou_sas I would focus more on the best case than the worst case.

senseandsenescence
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 @Bsooreal The best answer is it depends.  

 

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q13

 

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

Second time to do this to a thread today...

http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/10/practice-report-chippy/

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

Durant is more of a Tim Duncan type of leader IMO...

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @kennygee90

 Time Duncan Slaps his teammates on the head.

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts

 @kennygee90 nah kd will be vocal. just give him some time. he knows what it takes. 

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Also Royce, KP is only signed through 14-15 so he can only be amnestied in summer 13 or summer 14.  After that he has to be kept or traded.

 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/OKC.html

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts

or not resigned would be the third option in 15-16, but not amnesty.

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 7 Like

The Thunder salary issue is completely overblown.  As long as the owners are willing to spend like owners in similar situations have in the past the entire roster outside the end of bench guys can stay together for at least the next 3 years.  If the team follows the following road map, the tax next year would be 9.4 million and in 14-15 it would be 12.5 million.

 

This year:

1) Keep KD, RW, SI, KP, NC, RJ, HT, PJ3, HT at current contracts

2) Don't pick up option/trade Lazar and Cole

3) Don't resign DC

 

Next Summer:

4) Match a max RFA offer sheet on Harden

5) Sign a late 1st round pick to 120% rookie scale

6) Sign a second round pick or rookie FA to minimum contract

7) Extend TS on similar contract but decreasing instead of increasing salaries

 

The only guys we would lose are Maynor, Cook, Aldrich, and Hayward.  In fact, we could resign Maynor to about 3 million a year (basically the tax payer midlevel which could be used to bring in another player instead or even keep Aldrich if he shows up this year) and the tax would only be about 14.6 and 18.9 in 13-14 and 14-15 respectively.  For comparison check out Orlando and Cleveland, among others...

 

http://www.shamsports.com/media/luxurytax.jpg

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 7 Like

ON PJIII

 

"Harden said. “He’s been on that second unit with me as well so he’s kind of picking it up quick.”" 

 

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

maynor, Harden, PJIII, Nick, Cole/Thabeet (goes on) 

 

Not a Bad second unit.

f5alcon
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 @Bsooreal cook in there as well

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @f5alcon

 yeah but he is not a vital part of the second unit

ThunderBelize
ThunderBelize 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 7 Like

 @f5alcon  @Bsooreal keep cook on the bench... teach him the leg kick or something...

 

No disrespect to @ThunderChick2010 

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

think i might head to the peake today and see what some of the preseason tickets are like. i believe i saw some decent ones for like 20 bucks so :P  who knows. id like to check out our bench and some of the new guys, see how they hold up.

DXL
DXL 5pts

"Even though his request for a bus is related to his anxiety, he didn't exactly minimize the issue. He missed media day and the start of training camp. He forced people to ask questions. He created this level of intrigue.

 

He's done that throughout his career.

 

Days after he committed to Minnesota, he popped up at a local AAU tournament with a giant "M" carved into the back of his head and a 20-man/woman/child entourage that crowded the margins of the gym. When he "quit" the basketball team at Minnesota, he made a YouTube video that didn't announce his intentions until the end of the clip.

 

He knows how to get attention. That quality has served him well as he attracted more support for anxiety and those who suffer from it.

 

It's also led White to trouble. That design on the back of his head and that YouTube video didn't help him escape concerns about his character. White has matured since that time, but the theatrics surrounding this request have the same aroma of that teenager who wanted folks to notice him."

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8462144/nba-houston-rockets-royce-white-bus-request-matter-trust

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @DXL Where's Ryan Reid playing this season?

DXL
DXL 5pts

 @justin_mia After making an NBA team, and playing very successfully in a short stint (a possibility you would have bet your house against and lost), he's now signed to a French team. As with Latavious Williams and Tibor Pleiss the Thunder roster is too jammed right now for young development players. After a few years in Europe Reid will have a future in OKC.

 

Reid has the Thunder DNA--quiet, hardworking, self-sacrificing--the complete opposite of selfish, team-killing turds like DeMarcus Cousins and Royce White. 

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @DXL Jeff Van Gundy was on a podcast this summer and talked about fans and media scrutinizing young players. His point was that we get mad at 18-24 year old basketball players for smoking pot, skipping class and getting bad grades when a large group of 18-24 year olds do that all over the united states. And those are people without mental issues. 

Jooseppi
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 @DXL You are on a bizarre crusade.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jooseppi  @DXL I'm enjoying it.

Perk has a lot of value to our team
Perk has a lot of value to our team 5pts

This Sullinger guy looks pretty solid, huh?

beelieve035
beelieve035 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @diddoff Jeff too.

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @diddoff cant believe he dropped to the....*stops there*   >.>  ............

beelieve035
beelieve035 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 9 Like

Cool little nugget for EatSleepThunder:

 

Brooks’ statements on Thabeet deserve its own nugget. “I think he has really done a good job,” Brooks said. “For a guy 7-3, you don’t normally say athletic. But he’s pretty athletic. He gets up and down the court. He can move pretty good. I’m happy with that.”

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 12 Like

"I THINK HE HAS REALLY DONE A GOOD JOB,” BROOKS SAID. “FOR A GUY 7-3, YOU DON’T NORMALLY SAY ATHLETIC. BUT HE’S PRETTY ATHLETIC. HE GETS UP AND DOWN THE COURT. HE CAN MOVE PRETTY GOOD. I’M HAPPY WITH THAT.”

 

(fixed)

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

"Asked which players where the biggest “chips,” Brooks said Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook. “Kevin and Russell, they showed great leadership. They wanted to win and they didn’t win early on. But I thought they did a good job of coming back and competing and fighting through it."

 

BOOM. leadership question, answered . *drops the mic, walks away*  

T-Fred
T-Fred 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

time for Royce young daily practice report if there is one today 

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @tydude Linked above.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

http://blog.newsok.com/thunderrumblings/2012/10/05/practice-report-notes-and-quotes-5/

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Jooseppi Darnell's fear of expectations might be the most ridiculous thing ever.  How dare they comment that he's fast and the highest jumper on the team?  Thats a completely unreasonable thing to put on a rookie.  I mean how in the world is he supposed to live up to his own physical attributes?

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @cemitten I remember people gushing about Kenny Cooper's athleticism at OSU some years ago. Kenny who? Exactly.

Not making a Jones comparison in any way, just sadly remembering somebody who did fail to live up to his physical attributes. 

Never forget. 

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jooseppi Kenny Cooper had tremendous drag due to his oddly shaped head.  Not his fault ;)

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Jooseppi  ...Billy Beane was a 5-tool baseball prospect, but ended up being a better manager than a player

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Jooseppi the final nugget:

"Lastly, a writer from the New York Times Magazine has been in town all week working on a feature on the Thunder. It’s his second time here in about three weeks, so I’m really looking forward to the piece. It’s expected to be published just before the start of the regular season."

 

Cool.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Jooseppi really don't get why they won't put harden in the starting unit. 

T-Fred
T-Fred 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @OBoymuzik  @Jooseppi thunder 0-2 when harden start last year

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @f5alcon  @tydude  @Jooseppi i'm not talking about permanently moving him into the starting unit, i'm talking now in practice when Thabo is hurt. It almost seems disrespectful honestly. 

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @tydude  @OBoymuzik  @Jooseppi they had no bench scoring, but this year with maynor, they wont have that problem

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 11 Like

 @OBoymuzik  @Jooseppi  @tydude and when we score more points than the opposing team....

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 11 Like

 @Jooseppi  @tydude also undefeated when KD makes the game winning shot. 

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 12 Like

 @tydude  Thunder undefeated with Hollis starting.

OBoy
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 @tydude  @Jooseppi lol huge sample size there. 

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