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Lessons from preseason

by Royce Young on October 25, 2012 at 2:42 pm 607 Comments

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In terms of meaningless basketball games, the Thunder’s preseason turned out to be fairly eventful. Improved players, new faces, new ideas. Now of course, with any discussion of preseason basketball comes the disclaimer that it’s often fool’s gold and getting excited about a preseason development can make you look like an idiot down the line.

It was seven games though, all with different takeaways and lessons. I’d say these are the top things we learned:

Russell Westbrook might be getting back to assisting. His assist numbers weren’t anything outrageous (21 total), but he had games with 12 and nine, plus six in the first half last night. Westbrook has been rightly labeled as a gunner, looking to shoot first, shoot second and pass fourth or fifth. Don’t forget though, prior to last season, Westbrook averaged 8.2 assists per game and 8.0 per game in the 2009-10 season and 2010-11 season, respectively.

The question is if last season’s dip in assists was more of an aberration, more of a structural change in the team (Durant and Harden handling more) or if it was a alteration in Westbrook’s game. Preseason seems to indicate he’s looking to setup a bit more, but he certainly wasn’t shy about scoring. I think Westbrook is at his very best averaged seven assists or more a game. One thing that will help boost those numbers is Serge Ibaka as a legit pick-and-pop threat, so those numbers could come up again.

Is Serge Ibaka expanding his game? Simple stats: In his career, including the postseason, Ibaka is 3-of-11 from distance. In seven preseason games, he’s 4-of-7. The expansion of his shot to 3-point land is a clear development of his game and something that Scott Brooks is supportive of.

“We still need Serge to stay within a range where he’s going to make a high percentage,” Brooks told reporters Monday. “He’s worked on it and he makes them in practice. It’s not something that we’re just experimenting during games. He’s definitely worked on them in practice and he’s taking them. … There are going to be nights where he’s open. And we all feel confident [in him], especially in the corners. I think that range, 22 feet, he can knock that down.”

I think it’s natural for Ibaka to try and step back. He’s quietly one of the best mid-range shooting big men in the league, so why not attempt to add another dimension. It makes OKC’s offense that much more dangerous and dynamic and makes Ibaka a downright scary offensive weapon.

Cole Aldrich might be just fine. After a plain disappointment effort in the Orlando Summer League, there were legit concerns about Aldrich supplanting Nazr Mohammed as OKC’s backup center. Which isn’t a good thing to have worries about replacing Nazr Mohammed at anything.

But Aldrich rebounded (GET IT?) and proved he’s capable in the role. He put up multiple double-doubles, showed off a quality baby hook with both hands and didn’t throw up any red flags with his play. He still fouls too much, but in 10-12 minutes a night, that shouldn’t be a big problem. Again, PRESEASON DISCLAIMER, but Aldrich might even have given a bit of encouragement about the future of Perk. Is it really so hard to see Aldrich continue to progress and eventually be ready to supplant Perk?

He still lacks in his post defense and a few pick-and-roll situations, but these were really the first consistent minutes with OKC’s first and second team he’s ever seen. I think there’s reason to feel better about the Cole Aldrich Era.

Perry Jones III can play. It seems that he might have a role in the Thunder rotation, largely because it appears to be impossible for Scott Brooks to keep him out of it. His athleticism is stunning, his skillset polished and his feel for the game strong. He can absolutely contribute and as he grows more comfortable, it’s not hard to see him being the Thunder’s most versatile player, bouncing between positions and matchups. What a potential weapon.

There’s reason to be intrigued with Hasheem Thabeet. He’s clearly a work in progress, but his strong second quarter against the Bulls — playing against Joakim Noah and Taj Gibson, no less — give credence to the idea the Thunder could turn him in to something.

His size is incredible and even though it looks like he’s going to fall on his face when he’s running up and down the court, he can have an impact. What Thabeet is best at is simply being tall. By no means should he have anyone talking nonsense about replacing Perk or anything like that, but in terms of a rehabilitation project, it seems that the Thunder are off to a good start with Thabeet.

Eric Maynor is back. He looked exactly like his old self. Pacing the offense beautifully, splashing 3s, setting up teammates and just basically owning the second unit. He looks completely healthy to me. Not a step slower.

Reggie Jackson gives OKC a little more security. Jackson showed flashes in summer league, but he’s obviously improving. With Maynor’s contract a big question mark, the Thunder might be able to dangle Maynor at the deadline and feel confident in placing Jackson in that role. At least more confident than they were three weeks ago.

KD is continuing his development as a passer. Durant’s assist-to-turnover in the preseason: 21 to seven. Consider this: He’s never had a season with more assists than turnovers. He got close last year with 231 assists to 248 turnovers, but with his increased playmaking meant more turnovers per game (career-high 3.8 per game).

Durant clearly has passing ability, but he’s often just lacked with the feel of making the right one. He’s forced them or been punished by Serge Ibaka’s pan hands. He’s feeling the flow of the game much better it appears and making terrific decisions. You just hope that Durant’s new-found love of passing doesn’t take away from his delicious scoring ability, but all that matters is team points and the Thunder are more dangerous when it’s not simply the Westbrook and Durant scoring show.

James Harden is oddly forcing things. It might’ve been about him trying to integrate more of a mid-range game to his attack or just experimentation, but for whatever reason, Harden forced a lot of strange shots. He attacked the paint rarely, instead settling for contested long 2s. Hopefully this is just a preseason thing.

(Note: I don’t think for one second the contract talk is bothering him. When you step on to the court, distractions are there obviously, but it’s about playing and performing. Harden’s not stupid enough to try and prove his worth in some preseason games by changing his game entirely. He’s mostly already earned his money and he knows that.)

Could Daequan Cook be squeezed out? In what seemed to be a regular season preview, Cook didn’t play at all against the Mavs last night in Wichita. And mostly in the preseason, his time on the floor was limited. Scott Brooks can be stingy with rotations and it’s hard to imagine him expanding past 10, but if Jones is part of it, he’ll have to if he wants to fit in Cook.

Who’s the 15th? I’ve spent more time writing about a likely meaningless roster spot than I care to admit, so I’ll just leave it at this: We’ll know by Monday at 4 p.m.

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Fezzy
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Waiting for ou_sas or EST

Fezzy
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Hmmmm, time to keep moving.

ou_sas
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http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/10/friday-bolts-10-26-12/#comments

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
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I named my team the Cellar Dwellers

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @D-MC 

I think you should call them the Celler Dwellars just to mess with ou_sas.

ou_sas
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 @ThunderChick2010  @D-MC Meh, I don't bother worrying about grammar for team names. *twitch*

bmuelle22
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 @ThunderBelize who would you want for Lin?

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ThunderBelize nvm i don't know what i'm think... i don't need a guard i forgot i had waiters 

bmuelle22
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personally I think there should only be 1 utility slot not 3

f5alcon
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 @bmuelle21 too late to change it probably.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

How good do we think the Mavs will be this year? My co-worker who's a fan seems rather optomistic. My argument against didnt help when we only beat them by 10 with our starters in preseason.

shiki
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 @BallSoHarden 7th-10th in west

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BallSoHarden 6th seed at best 

ThunderBelize
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I just Freed Cole!! Scary that i think he will produce more than the other 2 centers I got stuck with!

ou_sas
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 @ThunderBelize All we need is someone to free Lazar and the trifecta will be complete!

ThunderBelize
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Fittingly named my team the 3rdWorlders

bmuelle22
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anybody want to do a trade on fantasy?

T-Fred
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 @bmuelle21 what do you want 

bmuelle22
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 @tydude a guard 

f5alcon
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 @bmuelle21 And our strengths are the same categories strong front courts. Gonna be interesting. I just set my lineup for the whole week so I dont forget,lol.

Fisha Status
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I want to be @bmuelle21  when i grow up

bmuelle22
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 @f5alcon you are too, you have a solid team

f5alcon
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 @bmuelle21  You are a tough week 1 matchup

ThunderBelize
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 @tydude  @bmuelle21 I put up some players on the block... check the fantasy section for that.

Tronchaser
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Dare I say it? Who got Sullinger?

f5alcon
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 @Tronchaser S4TISF4CTION

Tronchaser
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 @f5alcon  I was glancing through the rosters but didn't see him. Good to know he has a home. lol

f5alcon
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 @Tronchaser he went for $6 more than tyrus thomas, taj gibson,

Perk-Punt
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at least i have two good players but man my front court looks bare with Zeller and Lenord. Zeller might be a good value pick if he plays alongside verajo.

f5alcon
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 @Bsooreal fee agency or trade? I would trade you some bigs for anthony, but I don't think you would give him up.

Perk-Punt
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 @f5alcon

 what do you want for sessions? 

Perk-Punt
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 @f5alcon

 yo mamma!

f5alcon
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 @Bsooreal Nothing that you have I need the assists from him.

Perk-Punt
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 @f5alcon

 no i cant give him up.

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 @Bsooreal I like Meyers! He's great

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
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 @KendrickPerkins_waistline  @Bsooreal Well I have Chase Budinger.

shiki
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what is wrong with delonte west?Mavs waive him

f5alcon
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 @shiki he pissed somebody off, but the real details have not yet emerged

Fisha Status
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 @f5alcon  @shiki LOL I thought the original comment was a joke. 

'Whats wrong with Delonte West'

shiki
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 @KendrickPerkins_waistline  @f5alcon I forget to add this,they sign Eddy Curry as replacement

BallSoHard
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@shiki Wasn't a good example for the young players....

Tronchaser
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We need to see some of the rosters from the draft last night....  I wanna have a good laugh this morning!

ThunderChick2010
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 @Tronchaser 

TC got you covered:

 

ou_sas 7048 pts

 

Fantasy Draft Results:

cleandoe: PG Steve Nash 42/SG Monta Ellis 41/SF Rudy Gay 41/PF Kenneth Faried 15/C Anderson Varejao 10/G Kyle Korver 6/F David West 7/UTIL Arron Afflalo 11/UTIL George Hill 9/UTIL Nikola Vucevic 2/BE Jared Dudley 4/BE J.J. Hickson 3/BE DeAndre Jordan 6

Total: 197 Remaining: 3

 

cemitten: PG Mike Conley 35/SG Gordon Hayward 11/SF Nicolas Batum 16/PF Serge Ibaka 65/C Hasheem Thabeet 2/G Greivis Vasquez 11/F Amare Stoudemire 20/UTIL Darren Collison 9/UTIL Michael Beasley 5/UTIL Evan Turner 6/BE Austin Rivers 3/BE Derrick Rose 5/BE Omer Asik 5

Total: 193 Remaining: 7

 

ThunderBelize: PG Kyrie Irving 78/SG Tony Allen 3/SF Grant Hill 1/PF Josh Smith 96/C Marcus Camby 1/G Jeremy Lin 13/F Royce White 1/UTIL Greg Stiemsma 1/UTIL Boris Diaw 1/UTIL Shannon Brown 1/BE Matt Barnes 1/BE Terrence Jones 1/BE Tyrus Thomas 1

Total: 199 Remaining: 1

 

ou_sas: PG D.J. Augustin 1/SG Gerald Henderson 1/SF Shane Battier 2/PF LaMarcus Aldridge 71/C Dwight Howard 81/G C.J. Miles 1/F Dirk Nowitzki 37/UTIL James Johnson 1/UTIL Andray Blatche 1/UTIL Drew Gooden 1/BE Daniel Gibson 1/BE Leandro Barbosa 1/BE Ronnie Brewer 1

Total: 200 Remaining: 0

 

f5alcon: PG Kyle Lowry 16/SG James Harden 60/SF Paul George 33/PF Nene 12/C Marcin Gortat 38/G Jameer Nelson 5/F Kris Humphries 9/UTIL Luis Scola 9/UTIL Emeka Okafor 4/UTIL Ramon Sessions 2/BE Shawn Marion 4/BE Kirk Hinrich 2/BE Wilson Chandler 3

Total: 197 Remaining: 3

 

BallSoHarden: PG Deron Williams 91/SG Jason Terry 10/SF Danny Granger 24/PF Chris Bosh 28/C Andrew Bogut 3/G John Wall 29/F Harrison Barnes 6/UTIL Kevin Seraphin 2/UTIL Ed Davis 1/UTIL Delonte West 1/BE Jason Thompson 1/BE Brendan Haywood 1/BE C.J. Watson 1

Total: 198 Remaining: 2

 

Patrick OKC: PG Jeff Teague 15/SG Kobe Bryant 95/SF Joe Johnson 23/PF David Lee 30/C Nikola Pekovic 12/G Brandon Rush 3/F Andrei Kirilenko 5/UTIL Samuel Dalembert 3/UTIL Rodney Stuckey 4/UTIL Alonzo Gee 4/BE Glen Davis 2/BE Nate Robinson 1/BE Gerald Green 2

Total: 199 Remaining: 1

 

bmuelle21: PG Tyreke Evans 19/SG Wesley Matthews 12/SF Hedo Turkoglu 1/PF Pau Gasol 60/C Marc Gasol 46/G Isaiah Thomas 13/F Zach Randolph 15/UTIL Raymond Felton 10/UTIL Mo Williams 10/UTIL Derrick Favors 7/BE Dion Waiters 2/BE Trevor Booker 1/BE Devin Harris 1

Total: 197 Remaining: 3

 

S4TISF4CTION: PG Lou Williams 18/SG DeMar DeRozan 20/SF Paul Pierce 31/PF Jared Sullinger 6/C Andrew Bynum 87/G Nick Young 7/F Spencer Hawes 10/UTIL Elton Brand 6/UTIL Brandon Roy 7/UTIL Dorell Wright 3/BE Taj Gibson 2/BE Jarrett Jack 1/BE Vince Carter 1

Total: 199 Remaining: 1

 

AllDae: PG Chris Paul 117/SG J.R. Smith 7/SF Luol Deng 15/PF Kevin Garnett 20/C Tyson Chandler 15/G O.J. Mayo 9/F Thaddeus Young 6/UTIL Jamal Crawford 4/UTIL Daniel Green 1/UTIL Andre Miller 2/BE DeJuan Blair 2/BE Antawn Jamison 1/BE Lamar Odom 1

Total: 200 Remaining: 0

 

OBoy: PG Tony Parker 38/SG Kawhi Leonard 9/SF Danilo Gallinari 20/PF Blake Griffin 50/C Al Jefferson 70/G Eric Bledsoe 5/F MarShon Brooks 2/UTIL Caron Butler 1/UTIL Derrick Williams 1/UTIL Patrick Patterson 1/BE Eric Maynor 1/BE Enes Kanter 1/BE Corey Brewer 1

Total: 200 Remaining: 0

 

Tricia_Status: PG Kemba Walker 15/SG Ben Gordon 9/SF Andre Iguodala 65/PF DeMarcus Cousins 58/C Brook Lopez 28/G Mario Chalmers 4/F Metta World Peace 3/UTIL Andrea Bargnani 12/UTIL Jose Calderon 2/UTIL Andre Drummond 1/BE Richard Hamilton 1/BE Stephen Jackson 1/BE Jeremy Lamb 1

Total: 200 Remaining: 0

 

MrRaysian: PG Stephen Curry 22/SG Kevin Martin 7/SF LeBron James 140/PF Tiago Splitter 1/C Roy Hibbert 21/G Terrence Ross 1/F Tyler Hansbrough 1/UTIL Nick Collison 1/UTIL Robin Lopez 1/UTIL Marreese Speights 1/BE Jason Maxiell 1/BE Matt Bonner 1/BE Perry Jones 1

Total: 199 Remaining: 1

 

snowflake: PG Ty Lawson 54/SG Klay Thompson 26/SF Anthony Morrow 2/PF Carlos Boozer 24/C Ekpe Udoh 1/G Goran Dragic 33/F Ryan Anderson 26/UTIL Eric Gordon 19/UTIL Rodrigue Beaubois 2/UTIL Chauncey Billups 2/BE J.J. Redick 1/BE Jan Vesely 1/BE Tayshaun Prince 1

Total: 192 Remaining: 8

 

EST: PG Jrue Holiday 21/SG Manu Ginobili 24/SF Jeff Green 10/PF Paul Millsap 43/C Greg Monroe 57/G Ray Allen 10/F Byron Mullens 7/UTIL Festus Ezeli 1/UTIL Thomas Robinson 6/UTIL Trevor Ariza 2/BE Gustavo Ayon 2/BE Amir Johnson 1/BE Jordan Crawford 2

Total: 186 Remaining: 14

 

motacular: PG Damian Lillard 11/SG Thabo Sefolosha 5/SF Ersan Ilyasova 37/PF Kevin Love 71/C JaVale McGee 19/G Marcus Thornton 13/F Markieff Morris 3/UTIL Bismack Biyombo 7/UTIL Brandon Knight 18/UTIL Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 6/BE Jonas Valanciunas 2/BE Ricky Rubio 6/BE Tristan Thompson 1

Total: 199 Remaining: 1

 

tydude: PG Randy Foye 1/SG Marco Belinelli 1/SF Kevin Durant 163/PF Mirza Teletovic 1/C Kendrick Perkins 26/G Mike Dunleavy 1/F Marvin Williams 1/UTIL Jermaine O'Neal 1/UTIL Chris Kaman 1/UTIL Zaza Pachulia 1/BE Gary Neal 1/BE Beno Udrih 1/BE Udonis Haslem 1

Total: 200 Remaining: 0

 

bsooreal: PG Jason Kidd 2/SG Dwyane Wade 104/SF Carmelo Anthony 76/PF Jonas Jerebko 1/C Tyler Zeller 1/G Luke Ridnour 2/F Rashard Lewis 1/UTIL Meyers Leonard 1/UTIL Richard Jefferson 1/UTIL Aaron Brooks 1/BE Avery Bradley 1/BE Luc Richard Mbah a Moute 1/BE Chris Singleton 1

Total: 193 Remaining: 7

 

Iceberg Slim: PG Rajon Rondo 66/SG Carlos Delfino 2/SF Gerald Wallace 6/PF Al Harrington 2/C Al Horford 43/G Brandon Jennings 40/F Steve Novak 2/UTIL Joakim Noah 29/UTIL Courtney Lee 2/UTIL Jason Richardson 2/BE Bradley Beal 4/BE Brandon Bass 1/BE Jerryd Bayless 1

Total: 200 Remaining: 0

 

D-MC: PG Russell Westbrook 136/SG Landry Fields 6/SF Chandler Parsons 1/PF Anthony Davis 28/C Tim Duncan 21/G Francisco Garcia 1/F Al-Farouq Aminu 1/UTIL Carl Landry 1/UTIL Jose Juan Barea 1/UTIL Chase Budinger 1/BE Corey Maggette 1/BE Jimmer Fredette 1/BE Kendall Marshall 1

Total: 200 Remaining: 0

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser le sigh

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @KendrickPerkins_waistline yeah i did in the middle as well, lamb is your only "bad" player all of the others should put up competitive numbers.

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @f5alcon thanks. I been really down about it. Didnt expect the overbidding thing at all...

 

At one point I just walked away from the draft to get a drink

f5alcon
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 @KendrickPerkins_waistline  Your team is decent, some good value picks

Perk-Punt
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 @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser

 what can i get for seven points lol

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @Bsooreal  @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser Not sure. You'll have to ask cleandoe.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @ou_sas  @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser

 ok when does that open up?

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Bsooreal  @ThunderChick2010  @Tronchaser Those extra points are lost forever. You have 300 Free agency dollars though.

Tronchaser
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 @ThunderChick2010 Thank you, ma'am!

f5alcon
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 @Tronchaser ou_sas posted it last night earlier in this thread

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @f5alcon I must have went to be before it was posted.. lemme scroll back.

BallSoHard
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@Tronchaser Did you not get it in your email?

Tronchaser
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 @BallSoHarden  @Tronchaser

 

Eh?  I'm not in the league... just a spectator.

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