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Monday Bolts – 10.29.12

by Royce Young on October 29, 2012 at 9:29 am 372 Comments

Berry Tramel: “James Harden boarded an airplane Sunday morning, bound for Houston. He was “devastated,” said someone who knows the Bearded One. Harden and his family both. Said Harden was stunned that the Thunder actually traded him to the Rockets. He didn’t believe the Thunder would do it. But Sam Presti told him. Presti’s lips now are sealed, but sources from both parties said that the Thunder appealed one final time to Harden on Friday. Upped its offer to $53 million over four years but told Harden if he didn’t take it, he would be traded to Houston. Presti didn’t use that as a warning. He used it as a plea. He desperately wanted to keep Harden, but this was the last best offer. And the Thunder gave Harden an hour to accept.”

Ball Don’t Lie’s Thunder preview: “The too-quick end to Oklahoma City’s season last year was disappointing, even if it lasted five games into the NBA Finals. Three of the four losses to the Heat came in close games, however, and the Thunder boast the sort of top-heavy rotation parts that postseasons are made to utilize. Despite our worries about Brooks, he has managed to push this team gradually each year, and if the season-to-season histories of past champions in Philadelphia, Detroit, Chicago and Miami are any indication, the Thunder could cash in for good in 2012-13. The Lakers are sturdier, to say the absolute least, and the Heat aren’t going anywhere. They still have to beat the Thunder four times in seven potential tries, though. That’s still a significant task.”

Jenni Carlson: “I know that’s not sexy, Thunder fans. I know you’d be a lot more fired up if this trade was all about winning a title now, but if Presti and the Thunder would’ve given Harden everything what he wanted, they would’ve been mortgaging the future. Maybe they would’ve been able to make good on it, but in a small market with an extremely punishing luxury-tax rate, it could’ve gone bad. Really, really bad. That might not provide solace for you, Thunder fans. You’re hurting. You’re worried. I understand.”

At CBSSports.com: Keeping Harden was clearly the plan, but there was a Plan B.

Brian Geltzeiler of Sheridan Hoops: “My only problem with the deal is that is that the Thunder have been a franchise who’ve done everything right. To have to trade a core guy they drafted because they are concerned with the punitive luxury tax is a failure of this new CBA. What was advertised as a system that would help small markets has robbed a small market team who’s personnel decisions have been virtually perfect.”

Kelly Dwyer of BDL on the deal: “Overall, it’s a brilliant move. We’re not expecting great things from the low level-lottery pick the Thunder will take in from Toronto, but the Thunder found a way to stay nearly as competitive while attempting to grab some needed depth along the way. And though the expiring contract market is often overvalued, they won’t have Martin’s eight-figure salary to worry about come July. Don’t pen Kevin Martin in, as great as he can be, as having the same impact as Harden. We’re aware of the True Shooting percentages, and Martin’s newfound ability to play against lesser defenders off the bench. He, even with Lamb, isn’t quite at Harden’s level.”

James Harden with some early comments in Houston.

Bill Simmons on LeBron: “And yeah, with the greatest basketball season in 20 years looming, I understand it’s easy to get distracted by admittedly juicy story lines like the Lakers trotting out four future Hall of Famers, or two suddenly juicy Nets-Knicks and Clippers-Lakers rivalries, or Derrick Rose’s potential comeback, or possible leap seasons for Rajon Rondo (a runner-up MVP candidate) and Kyrie Irving (as a top-15 guy), or Oklahoma City’s “kids” using last year’s bitter Finals defeat as motivation for a possible Eff You season. Just know that it’s all window dressing — fun subplots to pass the time, keep us engaged, keep us arguing, keep us watching. From a big-picture standpoint? History says LeBron James is getting ready to destroy everybody. No other angle really matters.”

Andrew Unterberger of TBJ on the NBA’s best rivalries: “The Finals matchup of last year, obviously, and likely the matchup of at least one or two more Finals in years to come. Meanwhile, Durant is the only real threat to LeBron’s league supremacy (though the two are friends off the court for some disturbing reason), Westbrook is a little like Dwyane Wade 2.0, and Perkins … well, he’s nothing like Chris Bosh, but hopefully he’ll club him in the neck or something this year just because. The potential for Heat-Thunder to be the next great recurring Finals matchup in pro sports is there, and though the odds are against it — just like they are with any sort of co-dynasty — it’s doubtful anyone would mind if it came to fruition. Besides Celtics and Lakers fans, that is.”

Darnell Mayberry: “For anyone to even suggest that OKC low-balled Harden is laughable. It would be simple-minded for someone to claim that the Thunder tried to operate on the cheap here. No one can assert that the Thunder has been frugal. How else has the team kept Nick Collison, Thabo Sefolosha, Kendrick Perkins, Kevin Durant, Daequan Cook, Nazr Mohammed, Russell Westbrook, Scott Brooks and even Presti over the years? By paying big bucks, of course. Harden, the team’s third best player, wanted franchise player money and somehow the Thunder is wrong for shipping him out when his camp barely budged when bargaining? Doesn’t add up.”

A Thunder fan remembers James Harden.

Tom Ziller of SB Nation: “Not all superteams can be viewed in the same prism. Oklahoma City will never get the TV deals that the Lakers can pull. Oklahoma City can never charge the ticket prices the Heat or Knicks do. Oklahoma City does not have a team owner who can lose money for a decade like the Mavericks or Celtics. All Oklahoma City can do is ensure the team can be profitable for as long as Kevin Durant can play. And that means that Oklahoma City needs to make sure it can be successful for as long as possible. It’s about more than tomorrow for small market teams in the NBA. It has to be. It just has to be.”

Zach Lowe of Grantland’s take: “Both sides forced each other into a choice, and the Thunder have chosen Westbrook and Ibaka over Harden. Those are both fascinating choices, and we’ll delve further into them later in the week. There is a wide range of opinion around the league about whether the Thunder have chosen correctly on either count. Any of the three paths is defensible, but the Thunder have taken a risk in dealing a proven All-Star-level player and betting on Ibaka developing into that kind of player. But it’s an understandable one, given the skill overlap between Durant, Westbrook, and Harden, and the fact that none of those three is a proven plus perimeter defender at this point. This isn’t the best choice for the Thunder’s championship aspirations. That would have involved giving the Harden-Durant-Westbrook core one more season to chase the ring, or even accepting one hefty tax bill in 2013-14. The Thunder have been profitable for the last couple of years; why not exchange one year of losses for two years of true title contention?”

Not my favorite Harden column.

Andrew Kamenetzky of ESPN LA: “Having said that, Harden’s loss will be felt. In a big way. Martin isn’t necessarily better at putting up points and, in the meantime, Harden is better at literally everything else, including staying healthy. He’s among the more multiskilled wings in the league, much less on the Thunder, and that do-it-all skill set will be missed — particularly on the defensive end, where Martin has spent a career as a turnstile.”

Bradford Doolittle for ESPN.com on Harden: “Does that make Harden a franchise centerpiece, the potential top player on a championship team? It’s possible, but most likely it seems like he’s more apt to become a No. 2 because of limitations in playmaking and on the defensive end, where he is merely adequate. So again, there is still work for to do for Morey. However, it’s hard not to be excited if you’re a Rockets fan. After last season ended, it was difficult to imagine a path that would lead to the Rockets’ next window of contention. After Saturday’s trade, that path is now well-lit.”

Seth Rosenthal writing power rankings for SB Nation: “These rankings are being written at a time when we’re all still losing our minds over Saturday night’s whammy of a James Harden trade. AHHHHHHH!!!! But anyway, Kevin Martin’s a fine player and Jeremy Lamb could be terrific, but it’ll take something unexpected from those two or a major step forward from a guy like Eric Maynor for OKC to come even close to replacing Harden’s all-purpose virtuosity on offense. This season, that is.”

Matt Moore of CBSSports.com picks Kevin Martin to win Sixth Man: “Well, the last guy in his spot with the Thunder won it. Martin has never been on a team with this much talent. He won’t have to be the primary scoring option and despite his defensive troubles, can light up the scoreboard against the reserves, which is how this award is often attributed.”

Moore has KD No. 2 for MVP: “Durant didn’t just improve defensively last year, however. His defense, which for so long had been the issue, finally started to take a step forward. More and more he accepted the toughest defensive role on the perimeter, and his one-on-one defense thrived. His length has gone from an awkward liability to a tactical advantage, his strength catching up as he enters true manhood physically. But it stays with the offense for Durant’s candidacy. He’s the most likeable candidate, to be sure, and his intangibles are admirable as well. But it’s the 24-year-old’s ability to put the ball in the basket that puts him No.2 on this list.”

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CDNBallJunkie
CDNBallJunkie 5pts

I can really see Martin filling up the scoresheet this season. We're talking about a guy whose had multiple 20+ PPG seasons other than last season. He has a real shot of being Sixth Man of The Year if he can torch opposing benches like he has against starters for Houston. He's heading into camp HEALTHY for the first time in a while. If Scott can give him 25-28 minutes a game, we might have even more scoring production than last year.

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I discussed the trade of James Harden to Houston in big-picture terms over the weekend, but now we need to break down the nitty-gritty. In terms of wins and losses for this season, how does this impact the Rockets and Thunder?

 

 

The more important estimate, obviously, regards the Thunder, as the trade potentially opens up the Western Conference race much more for other rivals.

 

 

For starters, I think we can safely assume that the pieces these teams landed are by and large the ones that will play all season for them. Harden, clearly, isn't going anywhere -- he'll have a five-year max deal by the time you're done handing out candy on Wednesday. The other pieces Houston received are fungible and have no impact on its projection. Similarly, Jeremy Lamb isn't moving anytime soon, and Kevin Martin seems unlikely to relocate without a Godfather-type offer from another club.

 

 

(And for those talking up the idea of the Thunder repackaging Martin's expiring contract and the draft picks for another big-name piece, whom did you have in mind? James Harden? The Thunder just made the inverse of said trade for a reason).

 

 

As a result, we can fairly cleanly analyze the difference pre- and post-trade. Before the trade, my model had the Thunder winning 58 games. Taking Harden and Daequan Cook out of the Thunder rotation and adding in Lamb and Martin takes them down a peg, even though I projected Martin to do better in Oklahoma City than I had him doing in Houston. (This is subjective, but I do think he'll be better; he was second in the league in points per minute two seasons ago before Kevin McHale's system took the ball out of his hands, and he should have the rock more as a go-to guy for the Thunder's second unit.)

 

 

Keeping Martin's other adjustments the same (dings for injury proneness and defense), using my standard rookie score for Jeremy Lamb (here, I leave my ad-libs out of it and estimate a performance based purely on draft position) and tweaking minutes for other players to adjust for the Thunder likely playing a bit more smallball, and I end up at 54 wins for the Thunder.

 

 

That's a four-win drop, and at the margin you can see the impact this might have on their title chances -- 58 wins screams contender, while 54 hints more meekly at the chance of a deep playoff run. While it doesn't affect their projected seeding at all, the Thunder grade out as a less-formidable regular-season outfit, and that carries over to how well they project for the postseason, too.

 

 

All of which makes sense. You don't make a trade like this, largely motivated by cap considerations and draft picks, without taking a step back in the short term.

 

 

As a result, I have to revise my earlier projection that the Thunder would come out of the West in the postseason. I now would rate San Antonio and the Lakers as having a better chance, and with L.A. getting annihilated every night in preseason I would give the upper hand to San Antonio. Yes, I'm going with the Spurs to win the West, topping the Thunder in a revenge-tinged conference finals. (And yes, I know L.A.'s preseason has several mitigating factors, starting with the fact it's, you know, preseason. Still, not a great omen.)

 

 

So if I have the Thunder dropping four wins, you might assume I have Houston gaining four. You'd be wrong. These things aren't always linear -- depending on which players are replaced and how minutes are redistributed, trades can have non-matching outcomes.

 

 

Like this one, for instance. I plugged in Harden as a starting shooting guard with a full complement of minutes, upped Carlos Delfino's minutes with Lamb gone and threw in an end-of-rotation wing from Houston's many choices (I'd originally gone with Gary Forbes, but apparently the Rockets plan to cut him, so now it's Marcus Morris -- it scarcely matters whether it's one of those two, or Toney Douglas or Daequan Cook or Sam Hinkie that gets these limited minutes).

 

 

The result? Houston bumps all the way up to 37 wins from my initial projection of 27, as adding a full minutes complement of All-Star-caliber wing play represents a major upgrade from Martin's projection (both in minutes and quality). Also, a small portion of the projected improvement comes from a tanking tweak in my model -- basically, the Rockets project to stay in the playoff race long enough that they'll still give a crap in March and April, and that adds a win to their total.

 

 

Alas, our work is not done. Since I have Houston adding 10 wins and the Thunder dropping only four, there's some housekeeping that needs to happen to even things out. I had to grab six wins back from the league's other 28 teams to even the league out at a combined 1230 wins and 1230 losses.

 

 

In practice, I did this by sucking 6/28th of a win from every club's projection. After that, five teams ended up with their win total rounded down rather than up and lost a win; in other words, Minnesota's projection went from 43.6 to 43.3, so after rounding it kicks the Wolves down from 44 wins to 43. Sacramento, Brooklyn, New York and Milwaukee all suffered similar dings.

 

 

With one win left to reclaim and Philadelphia's Andrew Bynum yet to take the court, that seemed like an obvious choice to grab a final win away and even the till.

 

 

Finally, in the process of revising the estimates for Houston and Oklahoma City, I discovered that my initial set of projections had inadvertently jobbed the Magic out of a win. Break out the champagne, Orlando: You're now No. 29.

 

 

As a result, my revised predicted standings now look like this:

 http://goo.gl/AX5pF

 

 

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @EatSleepThunder Some other folks using analytics estimate around a 5 game loss for the Thunder as well.

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/10/in-presti-we-trust-or-at-bennett-we-jeer/

SoCal Thunder
SoCal Thunder 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I had a long talk with one of my best friends (biggest NBA/Rockets fan ever) and after talking to him, he explained to me why K-Mart and Lamb are going to be amazing with us. I am very excited now! 

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@SoCal Thunder Well....why exactly did he say this...?

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts

 @BallSoHarden  @SoCal no kidding... cough it up! lol

persiansooner
persiansooner 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @SoCal Thunder  @Tronchaser  @BallSoHarden  @SoCal ha try ASU gym

 

I can tell you why he said that, because Kevin Martin can easily fill the scoring void and Lamb has potential to be a really really good SG down the road

 

Problem is Harden leaves far more than a scoring void and Lamb reaching his full potential is top ten SG, not top 3 (or 1)  like James

SoCal Thunder
SoCal Thunder 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Tronchaser @BallSoHarden @SoCal sorry 'brahs' I'm at the gym. Ill reply when I get home. P.d, you don't know what a douche really is until you walked into the USC school gym...

SoCal Thunder
SoCal Thunder 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Tronchaser @BallSoHarden @SoCal sorry 'brahs' I'm at the gym. Ill reply when I get home. P.d, you don't know what a douchebag really is until you walked into the USC school gym...

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts

Reminds me of a healthier, taller Dejuan Blair

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/patric-young

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Come on fezzy, you can click on it.

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @EatSleepThunder Memorized the page already, don't need to

KellOne
KellOne 5pts

Interesting how Harden's value is propped up by being an Olympian.  Sure it's a cool thing and we loved having him there, but he didn't get to play much and he only got in because other players were hurt.  He was Lazar of the Olympics.

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts

 @KellOne

 His value was pretty high before the olympics.  Especially after his game 4 in Dallas.  The truth is that there is a shortage of good SGs in the league, especially young ones.  Its the reason why Eric Gordon got a max deal after not playing at all last season.

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts

Give it UP. They will not trade Kevin Martin, They will not trade Jeremy Lamb. You wont get anymore 4 or 5 position players.

 

You need a SG in the second Unit Not another forward or Center. 

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @WeTalkinBoutPractice? I don't think me and you would get along very well.

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2 Why yall liking this...you just want to see another DT Debate LMAO

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Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts

 @MisterJohnsonOKC I'm tired of seeing trade posts. I think Presti isnt dealing these guys

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jooseppi  @WeTalkinBoutPractice?  @MisterJohnsonOKC having a guy with a huge expiring contract tends to do that...if Martin is a bust for OKC his a great trade bait for alot of dumb GM's out there ready to give up on a good player..

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jooseppi  @WeTalkinBoutPractice?  @MisterJohnsonOKC In all fairness, I only want Martin gone. I love Lamb. He's already a part of our future core in my mind.

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @Jooseppi  @WeTalkinBoutPractice?  @MisterJohnsonOKC The other thing is a lot of people are worried about the Perk/Thabeet Combo and would like to do something to shore it up. It's more of a concern generally than the SG spot.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @WeTalkinBoutPractice?  @MisterJohnsonOKC Probably going to see a lot more of it, too. The Harden trade made the team a lot more flexible and people like to throw around hypotheticals. 

But yeah, the Thunder have $3.3 mil left to sign players in addition to minimum deals so just signing one won't require trading anybody. 

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2  @f5alcon People keep asking about how quick we can do something with Martin often enough that I've damn near memorized the reference for the answer.

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jooseppi  @MisterJohnsonOKC Okay that makes more sense. 

I keep signing on and seeing things like 60 days after being acquired they can deal and stuff. Acquire more players...not deal these two away and "give away a pick"

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @f5alcon  @ou_sas I did down below

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ou_sas Yeah we havn't talked about it today though

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @f5alcon  @Jooseppi  @WeTalkinBoutPractice?  @MisterJohnsonOKC Jefferson for Martin, I assume. It's been tossed out a couple of times, by me and others.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Jooseppi  @WeTalkinBoutPractice?  @MisterJohnsonOKC what trade posts?

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

 @WeTalkinBoutPractice?  @MisterJohnsonOKC He doesn't have to trade them to acquire another frountcourt player. 

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 7 Like

Okay, trying to muster some excitement about our new players being introduced today.  As wonderful as I'm sure they're going to be, right now it just feels like your parents trying to hand you a new puppy when your dog just died.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 What time is the press conference, and the dog didnt die, he just went to live on a farm, where he can run and play likes he wants

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @f5alcon  @ThunderChick2010 and get mauled by a bear

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @D-MC  @f5alcon  @ThunderChick2010 O.o

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 I'm excited. I think they will do well

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @WeTalkinBoutPractice?  @ThunderChick2010 I do too.  I think KMart will shine on a good team.

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 9 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 Yea but look at how cute that new puppy is. It's coat is as soft a......Lamb.

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

 @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2  @ThunderChick2010 That was so baaaaaaaad

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 7 Like

 @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2  @ThunderChick2010 weaksauce!

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Tronchaser  @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2  @ThunderChick2010 LOLZ

goodwillhunting
goodwillhunting 5pts

We have 2 roster spots available, with help needed on the front line.  There is a proven big man that can play defense still available as a free agent in Kenyon Martin.  Is there any rumors out there that we are looking to sign the other K-Mart?  Will Presti pull the trigger on free agency for a change?

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

 @goodwillhunting

 Kenyon Martin would fill the 'player that has dated Trina' void that Harden left

goodwillhunting
goodwillhunting 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @anonymous12345 And he wears a head band : )

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ou_sas  @anonymous12345  @goodwillhunting Sadly...... the deal did not get done :(

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @EatSleepThunder  @anonymous12345  @goodwillhunting No, it's the Get it done meme from the summer creeping up again! :D

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @anonymous12345  @goodwillhunting Could this be the revival of "Get 'er done"?

anonymous12345
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 @goodwillhunting

 That settles it.  Get it done Presti

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts

The more I look at NBAdraft.net, the more stuff I think i could add on to my paragraph. What do you guys think of Watford for our Charlotte second rounder? Small forward size and 3 point specialist. Reminds me of Hollis.

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @EatSleepThunder I have to avoid draft websites now. I can't keep falling hard for players just to see Presti not draft them (Fezzy)

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2  @EatSleepThunder We'll probably consolidate those picks in a series of trades to get up to a better position.

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BallSoHarden  @ou_sas  @EatSleepThunder I'm just thinking that rather than have 2-3 middling value picks, Presti will try and move from lower lottery to middle lottery to try and get 1 really good prospect. (e.g., what he did for Cole)

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@ou_sas @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2 @EatSleepThunder Can you elaborate on this...?

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2 http://goo.gl/DQwnu

How about this guy?

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @EatSleepThunder  @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2 #MustDraft #EpicName

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @EatSleepThunder  @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2 If I can't pronounce it.....

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