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I already linked to Bill Simmons’ Grantland column about why the Thunder have to pay James Harden, but there’s a lot of great stuff in there. (Other than our statewide nightmare of him not writing “Thunder” being over.)
Both sides of the issue are laid out perfectly clear: It’s a game of chicken between two sides that both want each other. The Thunder are preaching their woe-is-me small market line about the luxury tax and “challenges” while Harden clearly wants the money he knows he’d get elsewhere. It’s a matter of who will blink first.
Except there may be no blinking at all.
As the Oct. 31 deadline approaches, the longer Harden’s braintrust sits on the max or nothing line, the more inclined the Thunder are to just wait until next summer. Because why extend Harden now at the max if you’re just going to do it next summer anyway? You can’t give him the extra year like you could with Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant. Other than the contract thing being a bit of a distraction throughout the season — especially at the trade deadline — it really makes no difference whether Harden is extended now or matched on next summer.
(And no, there’s no hope that for some reason Harden might not get a max offer sheet. Someone is offering Harden the max if only for the reason to force the Thunder to match it.)
But why would the Thunder not pay to keep Harden? Yeah yeah, the luxury tax. As I’ve written before too, there’s really no precedent for breaking up a team this close to a title. Other small markets have paid big tax dollars to keep their title hope alive. Yes, the new tax is much harsher. But the actual dollars spent won’t necessarily be.
If the Thunder were to pass on extending Harden, it would be a really unfortunate turn for the future of successful professional basketball in Oklahoma City. It would signal that the Thunder absolutely can’t compete in the NBA’s marketplace, at least in terms of the big market boys. Think about it: The Thunder would be watching a player of James Harden’s caliber walk — and the potential to compete for multiple titles — because they couldn’t afford it. Wouldn’t that piss you off?
Simmons says it better:
If Oklahoma City’s owners don’t want to pay full price for Harden, then they’re really saying, We moved an NBA team from a booming city in the Pacific Northwest to a much smaller city that generates much less revenue and compromises our ability to win championships, but the fans here are so grateful that they won’t hold it against us that we just tossed away a puncher’s chance at a dynasty.
If that’s true, they’re taking advantage of the goodwill of Oklahoma City’s fans — really, they should be flipping their asset, cashing out and selling to an egomaniac billionaire who won’t worry about losing a few bucks, just about owning one of the NBA’s hottest franchises and getting shown on nationally televised games 20 to 25 times per year.
Because as Simmons notes, if the Thunder don’t pay Harden, they actually remain under the luxury tax. Yes, ownership would be making money, but what for? Remember, NBA franchises are essentially hobbies. These guys are already billionaires from other businesses. An NBA franchise is an investment and while naturally making money year over year on it is a good thing, it’s not supposed to be the goal. Not supposed to be.
Which means you pay to keep your team good. You pay to make sure they’re competing for a title. You pay. If not, you’re just the Clippers with better players. Just cashing revenue sharing checks and hoping the team plays okay. The Thunder have gifted themselves with terrific management which in turn has gifted a tremendous roster. Wasting that over money, money that is there, would be a shame.
In the end, it all seems like smoke and mirrors to me. Both sides having a staring contest hoping one side will cave, when in reality the outcome is probably foretold. There’s just no way you can let Harden get away. When you have a top 25 player as your third banana, that means you’re competing for a title. And you do what it takes to keep him. Otherwise, you’re in the wrong business.
(There’s an unless here: UNLESS Thunder management sees an opportunity to still contend for championships sans Harden. Whether it be by trading him for a solid replacement or banking on the Durant-Westbrook-Ibaka trio being good enough, if OKC feels like it doesn’t NEED Harden to win, they might not be all that concerned. And if that’s what they think, then they aren’t near as brilliant as we all thought.)
With 20 days to go, here are the (realistic) remaining Harden scenarios:
1) An extension whether it be for the max or not
2) No extension, to which he becomes a restricted free agent with the Thunder intending to match next summer
3) No extension, to which he becomes a restricted free agent and the Thunder don’t match
4) A trade before Oct. 31
5) An extension and the Thunder trade him at the deadline
6) No extension and the Thunder trade him at the deadline
7) A sign-and-trade next summer before the draft to acquire a top five pick
8) Harden just plays for free (Oh yeah, realistic)
What’s the most likely? At this point, I’m leaning towards option No. 2. The least likely? Probably No. 3, because it just wouldn’t make any sense to let a player as valuable as Harden leave for nothing. That kind of asset can’t get away without getting something in return. (Note: The Thunder wouldn’t be able to trade Harden for one year if they match an offer sheet, without his consent. And they can’t trade him to the team that inked him to an offer sheet.)
Forget the fact that Harden is an absolutely ideal fit for this current roster. It’s more about the principle of it all. How will Durant and Westbrook feel about their long-term future with the team if one of their best pals, and top contributors in completing their goal of a title, was to get away because of money? Can you imagine LeBron’s reaction if the Cavs let Larry Hughes walk? Wait, bad example. But you get the point.
(An aside: If the Thunder are following in the Spurs model, they’re kind of doing a terrible job of it. Tim Duncan never signed a true “max” deal, Tony Parker always had reasonable contracts and Manu Ginobili was underpaid. The Thunder have two guys on max contracts and Ibaka is paid well. If anything, I think Sam Presti might’ve done too good of a job drafting these guys. They’re too good to afford.)
Honestly, if Harden were to get away, I think it would be a terrible sign of things to come for this franchise. Because one day, Durant will be old. One day, Westbrook will go somewhere else. One day, the team isn’t going to be as good. And when that happens, will ownership just cross their fingers and pray for another lottery jackpot (or three) or will they be committed to building another winner?
I believe in Oklahoma City’s ownership group. I think Clay Bennett is quietly one of the best owners in all of sports. He showed with the team’s move that he was willing to do what it took to make his goal happen. He put the money up, he took the heat and he got it done. When it comes to James Harden and maintaining the standard of excellence this team has set over the past few seasons, I just don’t see how he doesn’t step up again.






Dear sweet 8lb 6 ounce Baby Jesus, Just let us extend Harden before the end of October and we won't ask for anything else (except maybe Dwight's back giving out). Thanks, Thunder Fans
http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/10/friday-bolts-10-12-12/
I get really frustrated with Simmons' pieces. He mixes stats and reason with bias and overreaction to the point it becomes difficult to tell what you should take from it. I've already documented my disbelief of his story about the Harden email predraft. We've discussed his example of other small market teams that went into the luxury tax and how they all tanked afterwards. He claims we would brainwash harden if he took less while ignoring the fact that Russ already took less and Harden hasn't shied away from the idea. Also, his claims that the organization has been complaining about how its unfair for small market teams and they could never do x and y because they don't have the money seems baseless. I have never heard anyone in the org complain. The only thing I've actually heard is Presti acknowledging that it was a possibility that they would have to make decisions based on money and they wouldn't jeopardize the team in those circumstances. That's not complaining that's understanding the climate and working with it.
Take Simmons with a grain of salt. He's entertaining (I've read both of his books and the majority do his articles) but he doesn't claim to be an objective journalist.
@cemitten - He likes to do the whole "Zombies" bit and bash ownership while also praising Okc fans and KD. Overall, I'd put him as middle of the road.
@cemitten That email story was a reference to an article done by a different author on grantland. Whether he's spinning that author's story or not, I don't know, but the email certainly existed.
@ou_sas I'm not disputing the email exists. I'm disputing that James sent it explainging how he didn't like pressure and how he wan't to be the third wheel on a good team. No GM wants that from a top 5 pick. Thats a red flag like no other.
@cemitten I'm guessing the pressure part was filled in by Simmons for drama, but the "I'd rather be drafted by you at 3 and be 3rd wheel with KD and Harden than to go to Minny and play for Khan" is more accurate. Buttering a team up by saying you are okay playing in their system is nothing new if you want to be picked higher.
@cemitten
This last one showed his strong dislike for OKC.. he really hates clay.
@Bsooreal @cemitten is Simmon from Seattle or something like that
@Arent @justin_mia @Bsooreal @tydude @cemitten The rebuilt Key was built small on purpose to keep hockey out and make its a harder ticket to get and to try to boost the cable tv deal. The NBA league office approved this bad strategy and then blamed the city and fans less than 10 years later.
@justin_mia @Bsooreal @tydude @cemitten
I'm not exactly a fan of Seattle-Sonics fans, but Justin is right. If you look at their attendance, it wasn't all too bad. Not as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. It wasn't like Tampa Bay Rays games. People actually still went to the games. It's just that the Key Arena was a smaller capacity so attendance numbers were skewed to seem like people didn't attend games.
It wasn't the fans fault the team left, just like it's not Oklahoma Citians fault that the team was relocated.
@Bsooreal @tydude @cemitten The Sonics filled out Key Arena by % of capacity pretty well for many years, especially in the 90's. 93.5% of capacity as late as 2006-07, and usually in the middle of the pack attendance wise (% of capacity) throughout the 2000's. The problem was that Key Arena wasn't big enough so 92% of capacity for them was way different than 92% of capacity for, say, Toronto.
I suspect OKC won't have much issue with attendance even in lean years when they come, since it's the only pro sport around. But the Sonics had plenty of fan support even through the bad times, as much as most other teams. Arena issues weren't the fault of the fans.
@Bsooreal @tydude @cemitten We're the Zombies to him, if I remember correctly.
@tydude @cemitten
no but he considers himself a traditionalist. He just ignored the fact that Seattliest traditionally never filled out that stadium.
Simmons tries to put a lot if humor in his articles and i love reading his work for that. Unfortunatley sometimes it shows his extreme biased.
@tydude @Bsooreal @cemitten ...Boston, I think. Listen to his undying love of the Celtics and you realize that pretty quick.
Popovich on who he thinks is the best team in the league: "(Sighs) I would say as we speak Oklahoma City. Obviously the Lakers, we're all waiting to see how that talent and potential gets put together and it could be awesome if it gels correctly and everybody plays for each other than they're going to be right there and maybe even have a better shot than Oklahoma City because they are so talented and have so many pieces. (Host: You know we are on in Miami right now Pop?) Yes I do but I only think about the West. The East isn't even in my mind. From somebody who is in the West all you think about is get out of the West and if you can do that then who are we going to play. If we don't get out of the West it doesn't matter who is in the East."
@yayowulf It's hard not to like Pop. Just a man who tells it like it is. I can respect that.
@DustinMcWilliams The other interview highlights are pretty funny.
Why he makes things so tough on courtside reporters: "I know. I'm a jerk. I'm going to go ahead and admit it publically to the whole world. Tell me what to do. What should I do? The quarter ends, you just got outscored by 12 points, they had eight offensive rebounds so the question will be ‘you just got outrebounded by X amount so what are you going to do about it?' I don't know. Am I going to make a trade during the timeout? I don't know. I'm going to do drills here for a while by the time the game starts, I don't know. I'm not going to do anything. I'm just going to go back to the bench and hope we play better. I don't know how to answer so sue me for being stupid and not having the answers to the questions. (Host: Keep doing it, it's entertaining.) It entertains everybody but my wife. When I get home and she says ‘geez why are you so mean? You're a jerk, people hate you.' I go I'm sorry honey, I have to do better next time."
@yayowulf @DustinMcWilliams He doesn't want to do better. He likes being a jerk / comedian / noted personality. He is very good but also the rest. It makes him money, fame and gives him more space & power.
had a big write up planned about the gong show that is free agency and 'market value'... got distracted by He Who Shall Not Be Mentioned...
the Person from Welcome to Loud City says that Bennett stole the team from Seattle and 5 years from now we need a new arena and we probley can't afford it and it could be the same thing happen in Seattle its Zorgon from welcome to Loud City site
@tydude LOL, first of the all the team wasn't stolen, scultz purposely sold the team to an out of town ownership group to try and pressure the city to build a new arena, if that arena was built bennett would have sold the team and they would have mad a bunch of money and then tried again to get a team here. The team here is not the team that they would have had if they stayed in seattle, bennett brought presti in, so if the team wasn't sold there would have been no presti and the team would look different, even if they stayed and had presti he couldn't have tanked, probably no allen for jeff green trade, we don't have the record to get westbrook.
There is probably another 7-10 years of life maybe more in the current arena, the ownership group should have no problem getting a mostly publicly funded arena.
@f5alcon i know why he says the team was stolen because he did a interview with Sonicsgate during the NBA Finals
@f5alcon @tydude the league prevented him from selling to another local owner without a new arena. it is in the nba bylaws that the commissioner can determine the adequacy of the arena and reject local sale without upgrade and in this case Stern used that power.
@tydude Yeah, the thing is Sonicgate blames schultz not bennett. At least the original version did.
@tydude
i just cant see zorgon saying that. There are trolls on that site all the time. He might have quoted them or something.
@Bsooreal this is what Zogan says from Thunderfans site "In about 5-10 years, Oklahoma City is going to be on the hook for a new arena, because of the "decaying" facility we have in place now. Then Clay Bennett's money might suddenly disappear, and citizens will be on the hook for millions to build a new palace for the rich to play in. That's precisely what makes the situation in Seattle so troubling. The city didn't lose the Sonics because of a lack of support. They lost the Sonics because the NBA and owners were able to hold them hostage for a new arena. You know, kind of like what's happening in Sacramento right now. Or will happen in other small markets down the road. And if Oklahoma City can't foot the bill for this new arena, they lose the team. If that happens, it will be awful hard for us not to admit that the Sonics were stolen."
@f5alcon @tydude @Bsooreal Key arena completely redone in fall 1995. NBA whining for a totally new arena by 2004. Gone in 2008.
@DustinMcWilliams @tydude @Bsooreal if Bennett and Stern say new arena on very sweet terms or... they will probably remove the other local owner option again because they can and because it gives them lots of leverage.
@tydude @Bsooreal I would be shocked if Bennett & Co does not ask for a new arena in 5-10 years. And I'm shocked if they offer to pay for more than 15% of it.
@tydude @ou_sas @f5alcon @Bsooreal That's not true at all...
@ou_sas @f5alcon @Bsooreal the only people that say the team was stolen is the folks in Seattle
@f5alcon @tydude @Bsooreal Zorgon is admittedly a Warriors fan first and foremost, so that probably colors his thinking quite significantly.
damn what he said was dumb.
@tydude @Bsooreal The facility is just finishing an upgrade it has a decent amount more life in it, where is clay bennett's money magically disappearing to? The gaylord family practically owns oklahoma and is not dependent on natural gas like the other owners. The price of natural gas is bound to go back up, especially if the government approves exporting, making all of the other owners richer.
There is no indication that we are not going to build them an arena, our economy is one of the best in the country, only 5% unemployment, Devon moving 700 jobs here.
@ou_sas @DustinMcWilliams @Bsooreal thanks!!
@tydude @DustinMcWilliams @Bsooreal http://www.thunderfans.com/vforum/showthread.php?9513-Well-Simmons-writes-one-of-his-novels-on-Harden/page2 WhatTydude is referring to, I think.
@DustinMcWilliams @Bsooreal i doubt the team will relocate soon the arena just got done during renovations that NBA Approves NBA loves OKC and Bennett is at every Home game and supports the team
@tydude @Bsooreal I can believe it. But it's possible other prospects may step up if Bennett sells the team. Hopefully, the team will stay here, but this is definitely a plausible, if unlikely, scenario.
@tydude Possible, but unlikely. Even we fans would agree Bennett likely intended to move the team here all along, and the arena was simply the easiest avenue to make that happen. He's not going to move back or anywhere else now that he has the team where he wants it. Moreover, I doubt a perennial contender and possible champion will have any trouble financing a new arena.
@Keith00 @tydude The Sonics were a perennial contender and possible champion in the 90s, total rebuilt their arena the way the Sonics owner wanted and then after raising ticket prices to the 5-10th highest in the league at the same time they started to drift listessly and the economy tanked, attendance went down and the new owner and the league wanted another new arena on very very sweet terms.The city wouldn't agree to a very very sweet deal for the owner (with the league preventing him from selling to another local owner without a new arena) so the league let Clay come in and take the team in a drawn-out mostly sham process. The NBA was so pushy that Orlando barely got their new arena on far less favorable terms to the team and no one else is giving or even being asked to give the deal the Sonics were asked to give.Sacramento was making the Maloofs contribute almost twice as much as Schultz wanted and Bennett never personally said what he would contribute ever, even when asked in person by the legislative committee being asked to recommend contribution of massive amounts of state money.( I was there.) Maybe they ask OKC to give that kind of deal and they probably will give it. And that is a huge part of why OKC has the team.
@tydude If we win a title or two, it's won't be a problem to get public financing to build a new stadium.
Smush Parker on Kobe Bryant as a teammate:
“I had a workout with the Lakers, beat all the guards out for the starting position, earned a spot on the team. Midway through the first season, I tried to at least have a conversation with Kobe Bryant — he is my teammate, he is a co-worker of mine, I see his face every day I go in to work — and I tried to talk with him about football. He tells me I can’t talk to him. He tells me I need more accolades under my belt before I come talk to him. He was dead serious.”
Wow, Kobe's arrogance is unreal.
@DXL
when was this? what year?
@Bsooreal 2005, Parker's first year on the Lakers. The interview came out today.
@Bsooreal @DXL Kobe may have improved but he is still an arrogant douche.
@DXL
OK , I think Kobe has matured a little more now than he was seven years ago. This has no meaning to me anymore.
Like i have said and will continue to say.
" i like the kobe of now much much more than the guy with his name a few years back"
@Bsooreal @DXL I don't think Kobe being a douche is anything new. That said, I also dislike Smush Parker for being a bad basketball player (by NBA standards).
@cemitten @DustinMcWilliams
we own the table...
@DustinMcWilliams except the Thunder...
@Keith00 @Bsooreal @DXL No one can sit at his table. No one.