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The battle for 15th

by Royce Young on October 17, 2012 at 1:39 pm 161 Comments

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More than maybe any other team in the league, the Thunder are consistent. They don’t change their starting lineup, they don’t really change their personnel, they don’t really make big alterations.

So in the preseason, there’s really not a ton to dissect and break down. You know Kevin Durant is good. You know Russell Westbrook is good. James Harden, Serge Ibaka, good and good. The biggest questions coming in were probably who would take over the backup center role and where Perry Jones III might fit. On both those fronts, it seems like we’re pretty close to having our answer.

But one position battle is still very open. The 15th man.

“It’s tough,” Scott Brooks said about choosing. “It’s not going to be an easy day because there’s going to be somebody disappointed, and somebody who played well enough to make the team. As I said, but you can’t keep 19 guys. It’s a tough business. This is a tough league to make and it’s a tough league to stick, and we have that right in front of our eyes.”

Brooks said last night that this is the best group of non-guaranteed players he’s had yet as coach, which is a good thing, and a difficult thing. Monday against the Bobcats, all of them made an outstanding case for making the team. Andy Rautins, who was seen mostly as a longshot, came out and really established himself scoring 20 points on 7-of-10 shooting. Daniel Orton looked very solid. DeAndre Liggins started and continued his quality play. Even Hollis Thompson and Walker Russell looked decent, despite getting limited minutes late.

“We definitely have a lot of good choices,” Brooks said. “We have guys that can do things that the other guys can’t.”

That’s the question though: Is Brooks looking for a guy that could fill a specific need or is he just looking for the best player?

“No, because I think we have a team full of guys like that. It’s whoever plays the best,” Brooks said.

So let’s put odds on who wins the spot, which likely means spending half their season on the Turner Turnpike heading back and forth from OKC and Tulsa.

Walker Russell: 50/1

The fact he’s seen the least amount of time on the floor is certainly one sign he’s a longshot, but it’s more about the fact that the Thunder have absolutely no need in a fourth point guard. Westbrook is bionic, Eric Maynor is back and Reggie Jackson is capable. Russell looks like a bulldog and plays very hard, but he doesn’t have a unique skill that makes it conceivable he would contribute.

DeAndre Liggins: 4/1

It’s hard not to root for Liggins. He’s a very intelligent player, one that works hard, plays tough and makes smart plays all over the court. He rebounds his position, plays solid defense, hustles everywhere and tips passes. He’s sort of a Thabo-lite. I’d happily trade Liggins for Lazar Hayward right now.

But it’s really about if Sam Presti and Scott Brooks want another hard-nosed player on the roster that probably won’t contribute anywhere but in practice, or if they’re looking for someone that can help further down the line. That’s not to say Liggins couldn’t climb the ladder eventually, but he doesn’t exactly qualify for the future holes OKC’s going to potentially have. He’s not a shooter and he’s not a big guy.

Hollis Thompson: 10/1

Coming in to camp, I kind of assumed the 15th spot was pretty much Thompson’s. I have no idea why, but it stemmed mostly from the fact Thompson signed a three-year deal, but all are non-guaranteed.

He fills a potential future need in that he’s a shooter. He’s got size, length and athletic ability. On paper, he seems to be the fit. But he’s played pretty sparingly thus far in preseason and hasn’t really grabbed big attention in his minutes that he’s been afforded. There are still four preseason games to go, which means there’s time, but Thompson appears to have some ground to make up.

Daniel Orton: 4/1

I know I got ahead of myself last night about Orton, but, he does look more prepared to contribute in a pinch that Hasheem Thabeet. Thabeet is more of a project, something the Thunder hope to draw out whatever talent is inside that 7-3 frame. Orton is the kind of player that can just be productive and do a job.

He has holes. He’s not attentive to defending the pick-and-roll, he got lost in his coverages multiple times and seemed to struggle finding his place on the floor. But he can clear space, set good screens, rebound and add a level of physicality to the game. He has the potential to be a really solid post defender. And there’s some solid polish to his game offensively. He catches the ball, finishes and has a little touch around the basket.

If amnestying Perk is a realistic future option, the Thunder are going to be in the market for bigs. Which means Orton could one day have a value and be a decent shot in the dark.

Andy Rautins: 7/1

Two weeks ago, I would’ve had him on the Walker Russell side of the odds. But after his shooting gallery Monday against the Bobcats, it’s obvious Rautins can play. He wasn’t shy, took his chances and made his shots. The question is if he can do that in spot duty as a specialist and if so, maybe he replaces Daequan Cook after this season (Cook is a free agent next summer).

I was pleasantly surprised by Rautins on the defensive end too. He’s not going to be near as versatile as Thompson would be in that Rautins is effectively a shooter and shooter only. He doesn’t bring the same energy and “little things” kind of play Liggins does. He’s not tall like Orton. But he can very clearly and obviously shoot the deep ball.

The next four games will be huge for Rautins. If he can keep the momentum going, he could sneak into that 15th spot.

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jwtd35
jwtd35 5pts

waive lazar, then keep Orton and Liggins.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/10/practice-report-perry-jones-and-playing-time/

 

Move em'

cleandoe
cleandoe 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OBoy Jones III fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

I feel bad for new posters who post news and randomly get a photo of sullinger replied to them.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 9 Like

 @EatSleepThunder It is more confusing when I use it in real life

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @f5alcon  @EatSleepThunder

 i keep a sullinger flip book at work. a pic for every response.

 

Come at me bro!

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @cleandoe  @Bsooreal  @f5alcon  @EatSleepThunder Whats so special about Orton?

cleandoe
cleandoe 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Bsooreal  @f5alcon  @EatSleepThunder 

Not with that face.

areayewhy
areayewhy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

kevin love broke his hand. he'll be out 4-8 week.

S4TISF4CTION
S4TISF4CTION 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 9 Like

 @areayewhy http://i.imgur.com/c4zRj.gif

:/

cleandoe
cleandoe 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

 @S4TISF4CTION  @areayewhy Come on.

Let's do this properly

http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r518/cleandoe/Sullingerd/4H6H36814.gif?t=1346421358

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @cleandoe  @S4TISF4CTION  @areayewhy I think the ESPN bottom line is broken. Hockey season is over and it's talking about the rangers winning 5-2.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @S4TISF4CTION  @areayewhy I knew that was coming.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

hey @cleandoe 

tyrae
tyrae 5pts

The Thunder should resign James Harden and this is how!

 

Thunder should trade Kendrick Perkins, Daequan Cook, and Lazar Hayword to the Washington Wizards for Emeka Okafor so they can exercise his early termination option (ETO) in his contract after this season.  The Thunder can even throw their first round pick at the Wizards since this is expected to be a weak draft.

 

This will allow the Thunder to sign Deandre Liggins, Daniel Orton, & Andy Rautins while saving money for the future.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @tyrae The player gets to choose if he wants the ETO

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @f5alcon  @tyrae which Okafor won't

cleandoe
cleandoe 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 9 Like

Quadruple Recap. Let's go.

 

-FANTASY DRAFT. NEXT THURDSAY! 7:00pm CT!

-Welcome back BRY BRY!

-Like Rainbow! http://goo.gl/XK90b

-Sent you an email, MrRaysian

-Everyone trying to get in on the cleandoe recap hype

-Wish I could have seen that old collection

-clumsical is pretty cool

-Jones is clearly not the most athletic player on the team.

-Jones seems great :)

-love the name change OBoy

-Everyone IS trying to get in on the cleandoe recap hype

 

-You're not like whoring as much as TC, OBoy

-I'm confused. Is ou_sas here or not?

 

-What Like Rainbow did I miss?  :'(

-You see. The Thunder has changed Jones and his motor so much http://i.imgur.com/pFxy5.png

-Who is OBoy's sister?!

-It's not me. *looks around*

-NBA 2k13 - The world's most reliable source.

 

-Unlucky Minnesota

-I want us to get Hollis. I just hope we keep close to Liggins

 

Done.

 

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

 @cleandoe

 Re Quadruple Recap:

 

-You're right.  Your recap format seems to have caught on.

-Like rainbows can be fleeting things . . . just as real rainbows are.

-I don't think all of us saw the same picture of PJIII when we clicked on the link earlier.  This is not the one I saw anyway.  Or different link, I suppose.

-Clumsical is good.  (Credit to Tronchaser)  For those who missed it, it's his newly-coined term for Cole's trademark style: clumsy + whimsical.

-I EARN my likes.

-Ou_sas is on vacation from us, but has been popping in now and then.  T-1 day until he returns.  :)

-Am I the only one who looks forward to these afternoon recaps?

 

Done.

 

cleandoe
cleandoe 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 

RE: Re Quadruple Recap:

 

-Everyone want a piece of cleandoe :)

-True. You right, you right.

-I know lol. Just poking fun

-I just posted it because I do what you tell me...

-I EARN my likes cheaply* #fix'd

-Good to know he's checking on us. TBH, things have been moving very smoothly even though he's not been here

-I hope not :D

 

Done2.

MrRaysian
MrRaysian 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @cleandoe  @OBoy Jones III  @ThunderChick2010 

-This is such a versatile Format

- I replied to the email btw

- I don't think i've got the talent level to use this as good as these people.

cleandoe
cleandoe 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @OBoy Jones III  @ThunderChick2010 

-And don't we all know it :)

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @cleandoe  @ThunderChick2010 RE RE RE RE Quintuple recap:

 

-My name change is awesome

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @ThunderChick2010  @cleandoe Re: Re: Quadruple Recap:

1. I'm stealing your recap format, but adding a twist with numbers (it makes a difference)

2. I'll finish this recap later, I procrastinate a lot

3. It might be a while, because I'm depressed by thabeets play in preseason

4. Too Be Continued...

cleandoe
cleandoe 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @EatSleepThunder  @ThunderChick2010 

RE: Re: Re: Quadruple Recap:

-But that's Royce's reap format :(

-I've reduced my procr

-'Tis a shame. I may have to drop him from MyTeam

-Don't let ou_sas see that

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ThunderChick2010  @cleandoe +1

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Darnells practice notes

 

http://blog.newsok.com/thunderrumblings/2012/10/17/practice-report-notes-and-quotes-8/

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OBoy Jones III Brooks says perry is KDs backup

Grolgar
Grolgar 5pts

Anyone remember when Orton broke that backboard back in high school?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buUKohdHaeQ

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Grolgar I got sullingered because of that clip...

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @Grolgar i saw the clip when they signed him

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 7 Like

Please if your voting don't vote for Romney... The Federal Financial aid plan that we have now is great and I'm scared of what this guy will do...Just had to say it, Thanx

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @kennygee90

You forgot: "I am kennygee90, and I approve of this message."

This comment has been deleted

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @MisterJohnsonOKC whateva makes you happy mane

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @MisterJohnsonOKC  @kennygee90 will you write luck the fakers in instead?

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @kennygee90 I don't like to talk politics too much, but my wasted vote will go elsewhere. More voting against than voting for. Sad truth about it, but that will be the case more often than not until election reform. 

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jooseppi as long as its not Romney im good..

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Jooseppi  @kennygee90 OK doesn't even play nice within its OWN parties.  lol

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @kennygee90 The Oklahoma government doesn't play nice with third parties. There will only be the two choices. 

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @kennygee90

 you just earned so points with me .... but Oklahoma is a republican state.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Bsooreal  @kennygee90 oklahoma is probably going to go 60-70% romney

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Tronchaser  @f5alcon  @Bsooreal I can imagine how people in Florida and Ohio are feeling right now with all the negative ads flooding everywhere

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Tronchaser  Yeah this is 'Merica where your vote only counts if you live in 12 states

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @kennygee90  @f5alcon  @Bsooreal And, OK is a winner take all state when it comes to the electoral votes, so, in reality, MisterJohnsonOKC really could vote Romney to piss you off, and it wouldn't hurt Obama's chances.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Tronchaser  @f5alcon  @Bsooreal  smh ok

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @f5alcon  @Bsooreal  @kennygee90 OK was 31 points in favor of McCain in '08.  I would expect the same if not more this time around.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Bsooreal oh ok, but every vote counts so i just had to say it cause I don't want to have to get a private loan to get my MBA next year after I graduate next semester

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @kennygee90

 i just started mine and i understand the struggle.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Boston signs Barbosa.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @justin_mia

 i like it becuase i cant stand him playing against my team 4 times a year. he always gets big shots against us.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @justin_mia alright move i guess but he has sucked in the playoffs every time but one.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Crow  @justin_mia They can cover for it though. Guard rotation of Rondo, Bradley, Terry, Lee and Barbosa. 

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