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Thunder 120, Bobcats 98: More than five thoughts

by Royce Young on October 16, 2012 at 10:49 pm 169 Comments

BOX SCORE

The Thunder are on the preseason board. Everyone can relax.

Oklahoma City beat Charlotte 120-98 behind 20 from Andy Rautins — seriously — while Perry Jones III added 17, Serge Ibaka had 16 and 10, and Kevin Durant finished with 13.

Here are some takeaways and notes:

1. Scott Brooks has to find minutes for Perry Jones. Whether it’s by stretching his rotation to 11 guys or it’s by cutting someone else out, he’s just got too much talent not to play. His 17 points in 30 minutes were impressive alone, but the guy makes plays. He had five assists, a block, a steal and three boards. Plus, he’s got crazy bounce. I don’t think it would be outlandish to say he’s the most athletic player on the team. And on this team, that’s saying something.

I’m curious to see how Jones might play if he’s not getting 25 minutes but more just 5-15, but it’s obvious that he can make an impact this season. He played quite a bit of power forward tonight, kind of swapping the position at times with KD. Pretty interesting.

2. Daniel Orton > Hasheem Thabeet. OK, so it’s one preseason game, but for my money, I’d rather have Orton I think. There’s no question of motor or motivation for him. He’s a bruiser in the paint, clearing bodies out and playing with a ton of physicality. Honestly, he looked like Baby Perk, with a little more athleticism and offensive polish. I can definitely picture Orton being an impactful NBA player, whether for the Thunder or somebody else. He’s got to develop some defensive savvy, probably a little mean streak and build his post defense chops, but Orton can play.

3. Not impressed with: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Kind of forgot he was even out there, to be honest.

4. A great stat noticed by my man Nick Gallo: The Thunder had more assists (34) than the Bobcats had rebounds (31).

5. More proof that Thunder fans are either incredibly awesome, or just crazy: A preseason game against the Bobcats was full. And loud. What’s wrong with you people?

6. I asked Scott Brooks postgame if this is the best group of non-guaranteed guys he’s had. “Yes, I think these guys are really good and they’re making it so hard and very competitive in practice which we like,” Brooks said. “It’s a tough decision, it’s going to be a tough decision to make but it’s part of the job. You have to make it. I was cut many times and you do your best as a player and give it everything you have and that’s the only thing you can do.”

7. Russell Westbrook and Daniel Orton need to come to an agreement that they can’t have the same hairstyle.

8. Andy Rautins, Daniel Orton and DeAndre Liggins all had their own locker in OKC’s locker room while Walker Russell and Hollis Thompson shared one. I feel like that’s got to be a bad sign.

9. Serge Ibaka is coming along in the post. He pulled his own variation of the dream shake and used a few drop-step hooks. I think Ibaka could be set up to have a fairly monster season. He’s an absolute beast on the offensive glass and his confidence is growing offensively by the game.

10. Nick Collison completely posterized Byron Mullens. It was so good I had to have a cigarette after it.

11. Speaking of Mullens, here’s my knee-jerk, over-reactionary preseason prediction for him: He’s going to be in the conversation this season for Most Improved. He didn’t finish up with an impressive line –16 points on 6-16 shooting and four rebounds — but he’s added a solid 3-point shot to his game and has a bunch of offensive skill. Bill Haisten of the Tulsa World made a great point that he could be a bigger Ryan Anderson. It’s really not all that hard to imagine happening either. Mullens’ stroke is pure and at 7-1, he can fire it over anyone.

11. Sign it’s preseason: KD and Lazar Hayward messed up their pregame handshake routine. Gotta stay late after practice tomorrow and work on it.

12. Biggest upset of the night: The Thunder didn’t play Gangnam Style until late in the fourth quarter.

13. Did not play: James Harden, Kendrick Perkins, Thabo Sefolosha, Daequan Cook, Reggie Jackson and Hasheem Thabeet. Oh, and Lazar Hayward.

14. All was right with the world though as Hayward was wearing a headband tonight.

15. On Andy Rautins: He can shoot. Like shooooooooot. He’s one of those guys oozing confidence in his deep ball and he’s just looking for a sliver of space to pull the trigger. He shot 4-of-7 from 3 and 7-of-10 overall. And you know what? I don’t think he’s all bad defensively. Ben Gordon went around him once without much resistance, but he’s not the kind of player that’s not working on the defensive end. He’s clearly putting in the effort, which is all you can ask for.

16. Eric Maynor, terrific. A nice little reminder of what an excellent change of pace he can be. In 19 minutes, 10 points, seven assists, five rebounds and only one turnover. And it appears that a little Maynor-to-PJIII lob connection might be brewing. They hooked up a number of times on alley oops.

17. Nick Collison had six assists. Just wanted to mention that.

18. I’m not sure I’d call Cole Aldrich’s outing disappointing, but it just wasn’t noticeable. He didn’t score in 19 minutes, had five rebounds and one block. He was active, set good screens and played hard.

19. KD was dishing it out tonight. He had seven assists but could’ve had 10 or 11 if Serge Ibaka could catch.

20. On a couple different occasions I heard new Bobcats coach Mike Dunlap say “please” when telling his players to do something. Found that weird. Polite though.

21. It’s a new season and Brendan Haywood is still terrible.

22. I would like to publicly apologize to Scott Brooks for saying in my media day post he drove a Range Rover when it was actually a Jeep Wrangler. You hear me, Scott? I’M SORRY.

Next up: Friday against the Suns in Tulsa

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atxhorn
atxhorn 5pts

To be a buzzkill, ESPN said that james harden was a 'probable' in the likelihood off stars going to free agency. I like my 4+ harden/beard shirts. don't want them to go vintage yet...

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

PJ3 most ahletic on the team??? Wait a minute....come on now. RW is by far the most athletic. Am I misunderstading?

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

Final Roster -

1 Russ 2 KD 3 Harden 4 Ibaka 5 Perk 6 Collison 7 Maynor 8 Jackson 9 Thabeet 10 PJ3 11 Sef 12  Aldrich13  Liggins 14 Orton 15 Cook

 

I think the final 3 spots come down to Lazar or Liggins? Cook or Rautins (Cook is more proven)? and then Orton, Lazar or Rautins for the final spot?

 

I just don't think Lazar brings that much to the table.  He doesn't do anything really well.  He hustles and is not afraid to shoot it.  Liggins is better defensively though which we might need if Thabo gets hurt.  Orton seems to have some upside offensively if they can improve his defense.     

Fuzzy Logic
Fuzzy Logic 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

I hope they find a spot for Rautins just so I can continue to call him Johnny Rautins.

iballsohawaii
iballsohawaii 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Just a silly thought about Harden sitting out this game: Brooks should give Harden the opportunity in one of the final preseason games, when he's resting Kev and Russ, to be the #1 guy (like he would be for another team).  Let him try to work, let him struggle, hopefully it convinces him that being the third wheel on a Lamborghini is a pretty damn good spot.

IceOrEnder
IceOrEnder 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 7 Like

A few thoughts.....

 

I am a big fan of Liggins. The dude was crashing the boards and going all out on defense. Hope to see him around in Nov.

 

Does Orton not look like an oversized RW? I swear their faces are almost identical.

 

Air Rumble needs to make an appearance every game.

 

Although DJ Boom was in the house tonight, he did not say a word and it was AWESOME.

OBoyzOld Man
OBoyzOld Man 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

 @IceOrEnder

 Liggins could help me get over the pain of losing Royal Ivey.  Plays with the same intensity, but better size and skill.  Would like to see him stay, although it will be tough with this roster.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts

 @OBoyzOld Man  @IceOrEnder Agreed.  He was super aggressive on D.  Loved to see that. We don't have enough of that imo.

Fuzzy Logic
Fuzzy Logic 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

@IceOrEnder "Although DJ Boom was in the house tonight, he did not say a word and it was AWESOME." This... Could not agree more. My friends and I call him DJ stripclub for the way he talks on a microphone.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Fuzzy Logic  @IceOrEnder But he did play "gungam style" or whatever that Korean thing is.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Of the camp bodies we need to find a way to keep Liggins and Orton.  Orton just  screams potential.

 

Rautins and Russell will be 66ers before the start of the season.

OBoyzOld Man
OBoyzOld Man 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Bsooreal

 From what I saw, would much prefer to keep Liggins, Orton and Rautins, and bid farewell and best wishes to Cook and Lazar.  Also wondering with a year in the THunder system if Orton passes Cole.

TJNguyen
TJNguyen 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

A lot of people are blind. We need a pure shooter like Rautins. He is way better than Cook. We should trade Cook to free up money and a roster spot for Rautins.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @TJNguyen

 i can see that happing only IF Rautis is with the 66ers and we make some sort of trade to get rid of Lazar and Cook....

 

Honestly, I'd still take Liggins over him if we did that. Liggins is a league player and last night Rautins was really just hot. Consistency is hard to judge with little history. 

 

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @TJNguyen  ...

diddoff
diddoff 5pts

I'm happy for Byron that he found a niche in this league. He has a great stroke.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @diddoff

 When he was a Thunder i thought he'd give me a stroke....

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I'll take a top 5 predicted draftee at 28 for 4-5 years. Sounds good to me

MrRaysian
MrRaysian 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

I don't understand how someone with superb hand eye coordination to block shot be sub par at catching a directly incoming ball.

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @MrRaysian His hands are made to swat away not catch

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 14 Like

Got a chance to go to the game tonight and meet some DT folks.  Here are my 5 thoughts in cleandoe recap format:

 

-First, thanks to bmuelle21 for giving me his tickets.  (So extremely, absolutely, totally, incredibly nice of you.)  Great seats and great time . . . no nacho-eating, Russ-hating old/big woman in sight.

-Tronchaser is just as cool in person as he is on DT.  I don't make a habit of meeting "strangers" from the internet and I was quite relieved that he didn't show up (as my good friend warned) carrying a chainsaw or anything.

-Dennis made us all look like we were involved in some illicit activity as our little huddle was exchanging money.  Thanks, Dennis.  :)

-ElMexi, my first DT son . . . you've definitely got a place in my heart.

-Oh yeah, I almost forgot there was a game going on.  (This bullet point dedicated to Jax.)  I second everything Old Man Game said earlier . . . the team looked good and the whole atmosphere--inside and out--just seemed right.

 

Done. 

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 I'll be at Sunday's game. If anyone is going, yell at me, I'll come say hi.

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @ThunderChick2010   "Dennis made us all look like we were involved in some illicit activity as our little huddle was exchanging money. " 

 

LOL  The same thing happened when I paid him before the game for our tickets.  Don't think Dennis saw them, but there was a couple standing behind him with a horrified look on their face.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @TaoMaas  @ThunderChick2010 We should have a DT party, seems like there was about 8--10 of us there!

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

 @ThunderChick2010  I can't wait for the 21st!!! So excited!! My little bro loved the Rumble half-time show!! Def a fun night, and the Atmosphere just seemed like Christmas to me!! :)

Bry Bry
Bry Bry 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 

I was there... too bad I didn't realize there was a live DT huddle going on

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

 @BRY BRY

The DT huddle . . . I almost forgot: CP2 was there too, but disappeared immediately.

jk jk  :)

Bry Bry
Bry Bry 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

The biggest positive for me tonight was watching Maynor and Nick work their two-man game, then working in Orton and Jones like they had been there all along. That four-man unit looked soooooooo good together.

 

Or it could just be the Bobcats

Bry Bry
Bry Bry 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

If it wasn't for the cost, I think I'd be on the fire Lazar bandwagon (sorry headband I really do like you).

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @BRY BRY

Welcome back!  (I noticed.)

Bry Bry
Bry Bry 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 

Ahhhhhh... at least someone is paying attention lol

 

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Regarding the yahoo league. I posted info on it back on the Saturday Morning Cartoons thread, but thanks to GoS and others who are helping answer questions in my absense. If you still have questions and they're not answered by Thursday, I should be back on regularly by then. Oh yeah, Thunder up!

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ou_sas

 So glad you got at least one exclamation point in there . . .

Scott Brooks
Scott Brooks 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

Royce, you're not forgiven.Pay more attention to the All-Star Coach.

#GettingNoticed 

SoCal Thunder
SoCal Thunder 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Scott Brooks I might sound dumb but, is this the real Scott Brooks? 

atxhorn
atxhorn 5pts

 @SoCal Thunder  @Scott Brooks yeah it is man!!!!

Jo_Cro
Jo_Cro 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

You know how the Spurs have that super annoying thing where they constantly reload on great shooters, defenders, and key role players and win lots of championships and contend when they should be well outside their window?

 

Let's do that, but with athletic freaks like Jones instead of shooters.

G.O.S.
G.O.S. 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/10/thunder-hire-serbian-coach-to-run-tulsa-66ers/

G.O.S.
G.O.S. 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I think Royce is stalking you Oboy..... :P

Aren't
Aren't 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Haven't been able to really watch any of the preseason games. I only saw a few minutes of the Houston game when Jones wasn't on the floor.

 

Jones' athleticism is apparently....apparent. I can't wait until I can see him in person Friday.

Tequila or Failure
Tequila or Failure 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Enough w/the pj3 is the best athlete on a team that sports Russ & Serge - lunacy. Can someone explain the rights issue regarding guys like Rautins, Orton & Thompsen, meaning can we option them down to Tulsa while still keeping them under contract or no?

Bry Bry
Bry Bry 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Tequila or Failure 

yeah... have to disagree with Royce. It actually IS outlandish to think PJIII is the most athletic player on the team.... even if he is clearly pretty good.

 

It will be sooooo nice to have a real backup for KD

persiansooner
persiansooner 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Tequila or Failure it would be funny if, just to freak the rest of the NBA out, brooks/durant/russ could drop some quotes saying he might be the best player on the team. Imagine the look on the other 29 teams faces....

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Tequila or Failure Basically you have to have 11 guys on your team at all times and you normally have to have 13 guys.  The other two (to 4) roster slots can be set down to Tulsa.

There are some restrictions on time in league, but shouldn't matter for the guys you are talking about.

 

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q76 

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Tequila or Failure Agree on the athleticism thing.

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

 @justin_mia  @Tequila or Failure I think only one person suggested it, which is par idiocy for the course. Hes a superb athlete to be sure

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @persiansooner13  @OBoy Jones III  @justin_mia  @Tequila or Failure He did do some windmill dunks in college that made him look like a 6'6 guy

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @persiansooner13  @OBoy Jones III  @justin_mia  @Tequila or Failure Well two options: Theyre pulling our legs or telling the truth.  They undoubtedly have a much more intimate view

persiansooner
persiansooner 5pts

 @OBoy Jones III  @K-Dagger Plainview  @justin_mia  @Tequila or Failure Harden said it

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @K-Dagger Plainview  @justin_mia  @Tequila or Failure it came from a few guys at practice. not sure if it was brooks, james or Kd but someone said it. 

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Tequila or Failure Roster limit is at 15 when the season starts. They can sign in Tulsa if they want to but the Thunder don't keep exclusive rights to them and can't call them up or anything without clearing a roster spot. 

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