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Wednesday Bolts – 10.17.12

by Royce Young on October 17, 2012 at 10:24 am 183 Comments

Andrew McNeill of 48 Minutes of Hell says OKC beat the Spurs because they copied their game and did it better: “And again, there are so many things that contribute to a loss and even more that have an effect on four losses in a row. We can’t simply say that Oklahoma City upped their assist rate and that’s why they won. It’s one piece in a very big puzzle, but when you’re talking about a series where the average margin of victory was 8.5 points, one or two baskets here and there have a huge effect on how each game plays out.”

Marc Stein of ESPN.com says a Harden extension is probable: “You still have to presume, for all the hints of pessimism dropped in recent weeks by Thunder GM Sam Presti, that the parties will find a way to come to terms, largely because Harden is the most accomplished player not named Blake Griffin in this draft class and because OKC is where he so badly wants to be. Presti-watchers haven’t forgotten that the Thunder traded away the last guy in Harden’s spot next to Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook on OKC’s three-man marquee, but let’s be clear here: Jeff Green wasn’t at Harden’s level when Presti shipped him out. Follow those cues until we tell you differently.”

Darnell Mayberry: “The Maynor-to-Jones connection was off the charts tonight and it’s one I wouldn’t mind seeing all season. Of course, that would mean PJIII would be in the rotation. And you know what? If he’s playing alongside Maynor, it would be a problem for the rookie, at least not offensively. Maynor would set up Jones for tons and tons of easy baskets. Defensively, Jones has his work cut out for him and will have to earn his minutes.”

Could Derek Fisher go back to the Lakers?

Daniel Orton: “Oh, I have a lot of things to work on,” Orton said. “One thing I learned in Orlando was defensive coverages, and I have to work on that, positioning and stuff like that. For the most part, just know where to be.”

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Chris Mannix of SI video previewin’.

The NBA is installing a 90-second rule for the time between pregame introductions and when players take the court. You could really call it the “Thunder Rule” because part of the reason was because of OKC’s elaborate pregame routine.

My new favorite thing: A post-apocalyptic pretend diary from Nick Collison. A choice sampling: “I miss Chesapeake, though. And oh how I will miss the playoffs. I had been intending on asking Jimmy Goldstein who his hat guy is this next year. This hat of leaves and rags will have to do. There is no plus-minus here. Not in this world. I cry over this. I call on my fundamentals to save me daily. I pray they continue to listen. I try to screen my thoughts. I try to block out my emotions. I roll towards the hope that is the ocean. I will rebound from this tragedy. The world is big, but so am I. And when the world charges at me, as I know that it must, I will take it.”

Why aren’t Thunder preseason games being televised?

M. Haubs of The Painted Area on PJIII: “Don’t think you’re wrong about PJ3 athleticism. I seriously think he might be freakiest NBA athlete since LeBron.”

Is chemistry a concern for OKC?

Eddie Maisonet of SB Nation KC worries about rising ticket prices: “Raising of ticket prices is inevitable when a team continues to succeed, but what made “Loud City” so special is that the fanbase looked like the Oklahoma I grew up with. From farm boys, college kids, soccer moms and members of the armed forces were all in The Peake going crazy for their team. I just fear a day where the suits are writing off their tickets and looking for an excuse to take their clients out to the game. I fear the day when chunks of seats in the lower bowl are empty because folks are running fashionably late. I fear the day when seats in the upper bowl cost as much as it does to fill my gas tank up here in California.”

Ben Golliver and Rob Mahoney of SI.com with 67 reasons to watch the NBA this season: “Watching James Harden, known for his smooth drives to the hoop, and the Thunder, known for their uniform discretion, navigate the unavoidable stress and uncertainty that comes with max-ish contract-extension talks. General manager Sam Presti, to this point, has kept everyone important in the fold and satisfied. Why should we believe this will ultimately be any different?”

Tom Haberstroh for ESPN the Magazine on Harden: “Yet Harden is more than an internationally celebrated American eccentric. He is also a superstar waiting to happen and one who is as convention-challenged on the court as off it. He’s lefthanded, hates the midrange game, prefers coming off the bench and looks unathletic but has a higher vertical leap on the run than Blake Griffin does. And when he scores, he does so with unusual efficiency.”

Roger Bramley of Dime: “Basically: is Russell Westbrook marketable? The easy answer is yes. Everyone is. With enough money and a good corporate model, I could sell some shoes and make you laugh at my commercial. But will I elevate your brand? Of course not. To look at whether or not Russell Westbrook can mirror his growth on the court with the growth of both his and the Jordan Brand, we have to look at how players similar to him have been used in ad campaigns over the years. We’ll start with Derrick Rose, a player very similar to Westbrook in both game and demeanor, to go about finding an answer.”

Tom Ziller of SB Nation: “It’s a Rubik’s cube: how do you beat the Thunder? The Heat managed to do it because they had the best player in the world playing some of the best basketball of his life, two more All-Stars at the ready and Shane Battier shooting the lights out. Minus of that, the Thunder might be champs. So yes, things are good in Oklahoma City. This team remains all flavors of legit.”

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Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

OKC won those 4 straight games against Spurs with Russ shooting poorly in 3. Good assists in 2 but high turnovers in 2.

OKman
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 @Crow We definitely got contributions from unlikely people in those last games i.e. Ibaka and Thabo. Prob helped paper over Russ's eh games

DXL
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PJ3 will thrive as role player in the NBA. He was excellent in college at finishing on cuts and scoring in transition, exactly what he should be doing most of the time on offense in the NBA. He's not good at being the central scorer/playmaker, but that's what KD, Russ, and Harden get paid the big bucks to do. From Draftexpress:

 

"The biggest bright spot for Jones is his finishing ability on cuts, something that accounts for an average 14.9% of his possessions and is unsurprising given his outstanding physical tools. Jones' 1.254 PPP on cuts ranks 4th of the group and is a somewhat encouraging sign for him projecting forward, as this is likely something he'd be expected to do more off at the next level.

 

Jones also did stand out by having the highest PPP of any player on transition possessions at 1.571, but did so on just 1.1 possessions per game, second lowest in the group. Baylor played at just the 142nd fastest tempo in the country this year according to kenpom.com, so Jones could see more opportunities here if he's drafted into an up-tempo situation."

 

On the athleticism issue, of players 6'10" or taller w/o shoes (Jones is 6'10.25), in the history of the combine there's only one player with a higher max vertical leap than Jones' mark of 38.5 inches, and that's Miles Plumlee's 40.5 inches, and he's a trained high jumper.

 

Jones's sprint time of 3.19 seconds also is better than all except a handful of players 6'10" or taller. 

 

There are just very few humans his size who can run and jump as well as he does. The Thunder have to put him in the position to succeed. Right now he's more of a pure athlete than a polished basketball player. 

 

 

Crow
Crow 5pts

Might be better to have Jones run out than rebound. But if so, then they probably need him to play with 2 other good defensive rebounders and to do that they need to play him at SF or in lineups that include Durant.

Fezzy
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http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/10/the-battle-for-15th/

Fezzy
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http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/17/odds-on-nba-mvp-yes-lebron-leads-rookie-of-year/

 

Has Russ at number 4 for MVP

Jooseppi
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 @FreeFezzyFel/JG22 I'd take those odds for Dwight any day. 

OBoyzOld Man
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Good mention in today's OKC paper of Asst Coach Rex K taking PJ3 to midcourt before tip-off to introduce him to veteran Ref Kenny (with the Pat Riley hair).  When asked if that was a tradition with rookie players, Ref Kenny replied - "No, that's class is what that is."  Nicely done.

Jooseppi
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Looking back on DraftExpress' best case / worst case for current / former Thunder players:

Russ: Leandro Barbosa / Shannon Brown

KD: More Fluid/Athletic Dirk / Rashard Lewis

Jeff Green: Boris Diaw / Luke Walton

Harden: Manu Ginobili / Jason Terry

Serge: Tyrus Thomas / Marceo Baston

Thabeet: Samuel Dalembert / Desagna Diop

Orton: Kendrick Perkins / Pervis Pasco

Aldrich: Rich man's Pryzbilla / Josh Boone

Mullens: Chris Kaman / Kwame Brown

Hollis: James Jones / Bastjan Nachbar

Maynor: Sam Cassell / JR Holden

Jones: Rudy Gay meets Josh Smith / Yi Jialian

Reggie Jackson: George Hill / Garret Temple

OKman
OKman 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jooseppi I always lol when I look back at DX's scenarios for Russ. So far off base. And they're surprisingly high on PJIII. I would be amazed if he ever morphs into Rudy Gay+ Josh Smith

Air Bud
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 @Jooseppi Wow!  -- Jones: Rudy Gay meets Josh Smith.... That could be Scary!!

Crow
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If Jackson is like Temple, trade him now.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Maynor needs to show improvement over the previous tuneup games.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

No surprise, mixed bag on accuracy.

 

Jones / Nachbar is pretty good level. If Hollis is that, he should definitely make the team.

 

 

duhsweetness
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 @Jooseppi Draft Express refused to believe anything bad would come of James Harden.

[censored]
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 @Jooseppi Westbrook and Ibaka are the two that have exceeded DX's best case for sure.  Durant and Harden are approaching their best case, with Durant closer.  Jeff Green hasn't developed that passing game but the range is accurate.  Thabeet's at his worst case still.  Orton who knows.  Aldrich's range is fine, Mullens' is a head scratcher he resembles neither of those guys.  Maynor's range is good.  Jackson's is goo.  

 

Overall seems like DX does a good job.  Westbrook and Ibaka were their only misses out of these guys, and Green too if you want to be nit picky.  

Stephen Jackson is not about this spelling
Stephen Jackson is not about this spelling 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @justin_mia  @Jooseppi Byron actually did resemble tthem a fair amount in HS/College, his penchant for jumpshots didn't show up until he got drafted. 

 

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/ohio-state/bj-mullens

Crow
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 @DSYIII  @justin_mia  @Jooseppi Mullens shooting well in pre-season but I am not going to get excited about that this time unless he does it for 20-40 real games.

Jooseppi
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 @justin_mia Agree, Mullens' choices are really odd. 

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @Jooseppi the jeff green one is a headscratcher

Grolgar
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 @Jooseppi

 Thabeet was the #2 pick and his BEST CASE SCENARIO WAS SAMUEL DALEMBERT! LOL.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @Grolgar  @Jooseppi Dalembert has had an above average career for a big.

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TreyFiveOnMyBack
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 @Jooseppi wow, harden was pretty much a win/win right out of the gates.. interesting.  I thought it was sorta a surprise how quickly he progressed from what I saw of him in college. He was good, but I didn't expect him to have such an impact so quickly at the next level..

Jooseppi
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 @jameshardensbeard Sorry, I deleted to add Jones and Jackson. 

TreyFiveOnMyBack
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 @Jooseppi no problem.  weird how things work out when you think about it.  i would actually have expected pj3 to transition into the nba better than harden, not to say that he can't or won't, but those are big shoes to fill at this point.  i'm excited to see how that shakes out though.  if it's even 3/4 of harden's progression, we are in for quite the treat...

beelieve035
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We still have two more weeks until the regular season. Does anyone have any expectations for the first game against the Spurs?

 

Oh, and 63 days until my first Thunder game. ^_^

Grolgar
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 @novelisticbee0

 Missing so many starters in the preseason, I have a bad feeling about that game.

TreyFiveOnMyBack
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 @Grolgar  @novelisticbee0 lets just hope the whole "well they didn't play, so they'll be well rested and energized" mindset trumps the "well they didn't play, so they'll be rusty" mindset.

OBoy
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 @novelisticbee0 umm win? thats my expectation.

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
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 @OBoy Jones III  @novelisticbee0 According to my NBA2k13 playthrough, we will win by 27.

TreyFiveOnMyBack
TreyFiveOnMyBack 5pts

By chance, does anyone know of anywhere to get a replay stream of last night's game?  I really wanna watch it, but I'm having no such luck...

OBoy
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 @jameshardensbeard there was no stream at all. your only chance is if you pay for league pass. 

TreyFiveOnMyBack
TreyFiveOnMyBack 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OBoy Jones III I had the mobile league pass last season, and it worked well on live streams, but when i'd watch any replays, the games would freeze up nearly every time, but jump ahead instead of playing from the spot it froze at. Plus, the audio would never be synched with the video on replays. It was awful.

TreyFiveOnMyBack
TreyFiveOnMyBack 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OBoy Jones III alright. I bit the bullet and just purchased it again for this season, but man, i really hope they fixed that.  The thought of not getting to watch the OKC games here in PHX kills me...

duhsweetness
duhsweetness 5pts

ALL FLAVORS OF LEGIT

OBoyzOld Man
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"Heaven did exist within those grease stained walls in Okarche."  Classic Nick Collison.  Here's hoping he does another blog this season for GQ.

ThunderChick2010
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 @OBoyzOld Man 

Hey Dad!  Say hi to big bro for me.  :)

 EatSleepThunder
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 @ThunderChick2010  @OBoyzOld Man *Goooood gooooood keep my identity hidden*

OBoyzOld Man
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 @EatSleepThunder  @ThunderChick2010

 you're officially freaking me out now

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Aren't
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 @MisterJohnsonOKC It's a pretty big statement to say Jones is the most athletic player on this team, let alone the league. I think that's what people are questioning.

f5alcon
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 @Arent  Who said that? he isn't the most on the team, russ is

TreyFiveOnMyBack
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 @Grolgar  @f5alcon  @Arent well, with russ' build and stature, it's not that surprising that he's very athletic, pj3, on the other hand, is more surprising for someone his size.  that may be why people are discounting russ?

Grolgar
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 @f5alcon  @Arent

  Some analyst tweeted that he might be the best not named LeBron to Royce.

TreyFiveOnMyBack
TreyFiveOnMyBack 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @f5alcon  @Arent ive seen it said a few times now around the internet.  even harden said so i believe...

 

Jooseppi
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 @MisterJohnsonOKC Has anybody questioned that he's a great athlete?

Legendary_Dork
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"he NBA is installing a 90-second rule for the time between pregame introductions and when players take the court. You could really call it the “Thunder Rule” because part of the reason was because of OKC’s elaborate pregame routine"

 

 

Am i the only one thats seriously pissed at this?  I mean what kinda bullshit rule is this,  This doesnt just affect us, it affects all basketball pre game rituals.  Some people do this to get their damned head in the game....are the thunder THAT GOOD?  They need more rules against them than any team.  Next they will say  PG's cant be a certain speed, or dunk,  7 footers can ONLY shoot 3's,  If your lebron or close to him you can carry the ball. i mean what the hell NBA.  I know its minor but its still ridiculous. 

Aren't
Aren't 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Legendary_Dork Hey, we got a rule named after us!

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Legendary_Dork How long were we taking, it cant be much longer than that, usually we are waiting for the other team to take the floor

Tronchaser
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 @f5alcon  @Legendary_Dork Don't forget, Rumble does the drum thing as well... that take a little bit.

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @f5alcon  @Tronchaser Yeah he could cut a few seconds off of the time by going straight into the boom, boom, boom, instead of prepping the drum.

Tronchaser
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 @f5alcon  @Legendary_Dork Flops would drop to zero... except for Manu, who likes shaving dudes backs.

f5alcon
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 @Tronchaser  @Legendary_Dork maybe that should be the flopping punishment

Tronchaser
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 @f5alcon  @Legendary_Dork Definitely not worth it.

f5alcon
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 @Legendary_Dork  The punishment is shaving david stern's back hair.

Legendary_Dork
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 @Tronchaser  @f5alcon you know, i didnt see a fine in there. so when would they start timing? what would be the punishment? they dont specifically say. so screw it

f5alcon
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 @Tronchaser  I didn't think of that, that uses a lot of time.

Legendary_Dork
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 @f5alcon i have no clue, personally im intrigued  by  pre game rituals. Kinda gets you into the mind of the player. Besides its just cool.

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