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Things done changed Saturday night. At least in terms of the consensus expectation set on this Thunder team. But while many have downgraded their Thunder’s current title chances, it still should be pretty obvious that this team is very good.
How good?
Well, let’s guess. Er, predict.
1. How many games will the Thunder win?
Royce Young, Daily Thunder: I had the Thunder at 62 prior to the Harden trade. Part of that was because the Thunder were going to pick right up from last season without much of anything changing and go on a warpath to wash that nasty taste of the Finals out of their mouths. But now, they’re working in a brand new, major piece and they’re doing it on the fly. I think that alone will cost OKC a few wins as the Thunder acclimate and understand a new rotation. So put me down for 58.
Patrick James, Daily Thunder: 57. Just seems about right. I think it would have been about 60 before the James Harden trade. I’m already on record saying I think it’s only undetermined if the Thunder will actually be worse, not a certainty. But just getting used to the new reality will probably cost OKC a couple of games, even if that won’t have a bearing on their postseason success. The team will have plenty of time to find the right chemistry to maximize their success in the postseason, but a few bumps in the road are to be expected.
J.G. Marking, Daily Thunder: I’m going with 56 wins. I think, like every NBA team, the Thunder will lose about 5-7 games they have no business losing and will also come away with 5-7 that they had no business winning (horrible shooting nights, epic comebacks, last second miracles, etc). So it really comes down to how good the Thunder actually are when you toss those out. And unlike some people, I really do still think the Thunder is the best team in the West from top-to-bottom.
2. What seed will the Thunder get in the West?
Young: No. 1. I’m not convinced that the Lakers are going to a) be able to work through their issues early enough and b) that they care enough about it. The Thunder haven’t owned the West yet in the regular season and it seems like that would be a natural goal for them. The Spurs and Lakers are more interested in keeping their old guys rested and healthy.
James: No. 1. Watching the Lakers on Tuesday night helps (though the doom and gloom is surely an overreaction), but again, I’m still not convinced the Thunder are much less of a threat this week than last, so why change what would have been my initial prediction? It’s going to take the Lakers much longer to get in sync than it will take the Thunder, so they won’t have a chance to open up a huge lead. And their bench is downright horrible. The Spurs are a threat, but even though they’ve been a regular season monster for two years straight, I still like the Thunder’s chances better, especially because they likely will value home court more than Gregg Popovich, who doesn’t really care.
Marking: While I do think the Thunder are the best team in the West, I do think there will be a few weeks of a feeling out process with the lineups and integration of Kevin Martin into the flow and rhythm of the game, so I think a good but not fantastic start to the season will have the Thunder finishing second in the West at regular season’s end to, surprise, the San Antonio Spurs.
3. What does it look like when the final buzzer sounds on OKC’s season?
Young: Full disclosure: Pre-Harden trade, I had the Thunder winning an NBA title. I thought all the pieces were perfectly in place and with the bitterness of last season, they were ready to right all those wrongs. But without Harden it feels like a reach now. Kevin Martin is excellent, but what happens when OKC’s offense stalls late in the fourth while Westbrook and Durant can’t get anything to fall? There’s no James Harden to give the ball to. Again, Martin’s good and the return of Eric Maynor helps a lot. But in the playoffs, you need players to step up. You need a performance like Harden gave in Game 4 in Dallas last season. And I don’t know where it’s going to come from, which scares me. So when the final buzzer sounds, I think it’s a devastating Western Conference Finals loss to the Lakers.
James: The same as it did last year, unfortunately, with the Heat celebrating a title win at home. The Heat will win more regular season games than the Thunder and be at home for the first and last two games of the Finals, the reverse of last year. The Thunder will still win the West because the Lakers will be dysfunctional and awkward and no one else is good enough. But LeBron is just too much, and Wade will still be able to hold on to the tail end of his prime for at least this season and probably next. Kevin Durant and OKC will have their title someday. But it won’t be in June.
Marking: Northwest Division Champs. Kevin Durant MVP. Western Conference Champs. Game 7…loser in the NBA Finals to the Miami Heat, in Miami. Again. I know, I know…and I’m sorry.





http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/11/thunder-at-spurs-pregame-primer-6/#comments
FIRST PREGAME PRIMER OF THE SEASON!!!
Love how when I click the top screen tap that says "9 new comments" my screen goes in to Hyper-Russ mode and launches me to the unknown comment areas, makes me dizzy.
KD 31pts,8 rbs, 5ast, 1bk
russ,18pts,4 rbs, 10 ast, i stl
SI, 9pts, 9 rbs, 3 blks
KM, 21pts, 3 rbs , 2ast
EM 10 pts, 4ast, 2rbs
PJ3, 11pts, 2ast ,2rbs
@Bsooreal Perk, 1 tech
@Skyline @Bsooreal for griping about something that was totally his fault
@Skyline @Bsooreal (It's obligatory for the first game of the season).
@KellOne @ou_sas @Skyline
LBJ FLop!
@Bsooreal @ou_sas @Skyline I wish he could just start with 4. The bitchy little girl act gets old fast. He's supposed to be the mature leader on the team
@ou_sas @Skyline
but but but but he will stop after his 5th
tfrank14 RT NBA Communications League announces Knicks-Nets has been rescheduled for Mon., Nov. 26, 7 p.m. at Barclays Center; televised by TNT 11/1/12 4:57 PM
Lakers Dwight Howard on the offense: “It’s gonna come together & when it does it’s gonna be scary. Just need to be patient.” 11/1/12 4:47 PM
@tydude that offense is really efficient
@tydude The offense isn't even their major problem right now.
@EternalThunder @tydude http://www.intd.net/scott/images/Cooperstown/Cooperstown3/57%20-%20Polo%20Grounds%20turnstyle.JPG
@tydude I'm still not afraid of the Lakers.
@tydude 3 years later, Kobe and Nash have retired, Dwight's still being patient...
@ou_sas @tydude Dwight Howard and patient are two words that do not need to be in the same sentence, or even paragraph.
Kevin Wayne Durant: 45 pts, 11 BDs, 7 assists, 6-8 from 3
@Lambchop Kevin Martin: 37 points, 12 assists, 6 rebounds, 4 steals, 1 block.
@TempBoy Brandon @Lambchop That stat line...it looks...familiar...
@Mr_F @TempBoy Brandon @Lambchop
Kevin Love"s
@TempBoy Brandon @Lambchop Westbrook 50 points 20 assists 28 boards.
@D-MC @TempBoy Brandon @Lambchop Thabeet 0-2, 2 rebounds, 4 fouls in 10 minutes
@Lambchop Kawhi Leonard 80 pts 35 rebounds 15 assists. (go fantasy team)
Thunder still win 120-90
@OBoy Jones III @Lambchop YOU WISH...
#FantasyShowDown LOL
Russ 27pts 6 bds, 11 assists, K Martin 17, 5, 3
@Lambchop Not gonna be upstaged by the bearded one
@Lambchop , most importantly: Win
@ou_sas oops, left that off. OKC 111, SA 92
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InPDtgqnTx8&feature=watch-vrec
really good analysis
Was on this site two years ago as aussie something and last year had a couple of startups so real busy. Armed with league pass international (In Australia) and still internally a lil devastated by the Harden trade (37, 12 and 4 FML,) although in Presti i trust... has anyone one ever thought of trying to pry Bledsoe from the Clippers... VDN has no idea what he has, and by most metrics in limited time and playoffs, he was better than Chris Paul and plays inspired defense. Jump shot has improved, tough as Westbrook. Kevin Martin and whatever else for Bledsoe? Hell would even give up the Lamb kid too. Production now for later. Westbrook and Bledsoe would instantly be the toughest backcourt in league as he can guard pg and sg despite his size. Undervalued right now. Thoughts?
@solutionz777 I'm always reminded that we picked Cole, and to get him we traded the pick that ended up being Bledsoe.
Sigh.
@Jax Raging Bile Duct please scroll down and read earlier posts about this topic
@criznazy53 Yeah I think this is a common misconception
@f5alcon @Jax Raging Bile Duct its probaly too far down. Might take you 5 minutes to find. too many messages in between.. haha at least i'm not the only one
@Jax Raging Bile Duct @solutionz777 Did Bledsoe become a star all of a sudden?
@f5alcon You're right.
I just remember we went into the draft with 3 picks; 18, 21 and 26, and we ended up with Cole.
@Jax Raging Bile Duct we traded bledsoe for a future 1st rounder
@Jax Raging Bile Duct We gave up the 21st and 26th picks, craig brackins and quincy pondexter and took on mo petes salary for the 11th pick.
@f5alcon I can't find the posts. Sorry.
I thought we gave up our pick in order to move up to draft cole, and that the pick later became bledsoe. Not true?
@Jax Raging Bile Duct Yeah this is the 4th time in 2 days it was discussed at the 3rd time i was kinda mean about it, so your post was almost comical, like a sullinger except not linked to anything, I thought you were trollolloling
@justin_mia I think he has improved it significantly. He wasn't shooting it well first 4 months of season. however in preseason and so far the jump shot has been butter. If that continues.. he will be deadly. Thats just practice and he does so many other things well.. Its like pre rondo to now rondo. Get him on the upswing.
@f5alcon Oh.
@solutionz777 I understand. But the fact is he can't really shoot. It's hard to make it as a guard when you can't shoot. He seems like he can be a bulldog defensive player. Kyle Lowry was a little bulldog before he started making some threes now he's kinda good. Bledsoe will have difficulty keeping up that efficiency he showed in the playoffs and game one if he can't keep the jump shot consistent.
@justin_mia watch this season. was watching him all last season. He is a freak. But time will tell. Did anyone think Harden was gonna go for 37 and 12? anyone but Harden??? Sometimes give people their chance they take it. Spotting it early is the key. and will have to check whether that was playoffs or season. It didn't say. But playoffs is when competition ramps up. He didn't back down. Harden wilted against Miami. Can't see that with Bledsoe. Like Russ, he would go down fighting till the end. Little man has heart.
@Jax Raging Bile Duct Just to be clear about my other posts, that pick did not get us cole, it was part of the perkins trade and got boston fab melo
@solutionz777 This only started in the playoffs, Bledsoe did not have this effect during the regular season. He is playing great basketball, and if this continues he'll be a starter somewhere eventually, but this isn't a strong enough sample for me to change my opinion of him.
Bledsoe contributed 13 points, four assists and four rebounds in17 minutes last night.
http://clipperblog.com/2012/10/30/clipperblog-editorial-bledsoe-for-shooting-guard/
Clippers were 24 points better than the opposition whenever bledsoe was on the floor. Read article. That's beyond good. VDN is a moron.
@criznazy53 @solutionz777 @Jax Raging Bile Duct I meant Bledsoe has great potential defensively.
@justin_mia @solutionz777 @Jax Raging Bile Duct Have you seen him try to guard someone. He's like a rag doll out there, he's lost and all over the place out there. And seems like he hasn't worked out in his life. He doesn't seem very fit/muscular at all. How much more time do you need to give cole?
@solutionz777 @Jax Raging Bile Duct He has great potential defensviely.
@Jax Raging Bile Duct @justin_mia Why does everyone like Cole. he's had like 3 years to show signs of some one decent and he hasn't . Time to move on
@solutionz777 @Jax Raging Bile Duct He played great in the playoffs but it's hard to believe he's that good. < 200 minute sample.
@Jax Raging Bile Duct @justin_mia I was hurt that he was included in teh trade. We coudnt afford to lose a center.
@justin_mia No. But I'm comparing him to Cole.
I do kinda like Cole though.
@justin_mia @Jax Raging Bile Duct He will be a star. Will try to find the articles. Check his stats in Memphis series. Only thing holding him back is VDN. Chris Paul Quote from last game.. I like playing but when people like Bledsoe are playing so well.. its cool to cheer. From Chris Paul.. who would like to micromanage every second. There is domehting there.
@justin_mia @Jax Raging Bile Duct @solutionz777 Far more intriguing of a pick and has contributed considerably. have Russ fits his rookie year
@Jax Raging Bile Duct omg omg ahhhhhh
@f5alcon @Jax Raging Bile Duct hahhaa awesome.
@solutionz777 i'd give them maynor and a 2nd round pick for bledsoe.
@OBoy Jones III @Jax Raging Bile Duct @Bryson yup i know it sounds crazy... but seriously.. check his stats during playoffs versus anyone and when he gets minutes. Bledsoe is worth more than maynor on defensive strength alone. Couple of article from paroxym and clipperblog about him... real surprising... he may not score 20 of the bat... but he will do what james was offereing about 16, steals, assists, all around disruption on defense, and enough offense to keep others honest. Watch him this season if he gets time. Kmart is on the decline. Bledsoe is only getting better.
@solutionz777 @OBoy Jones III @Jax Raging Bile Duct @Bryson Is there a chance that Eric Bledsoe turned the corner in last year's playoffs and went from average backup to solid starter material? Sure. But I'd like to see him keep up this type of productivity a little longer. He was not that good in his first 1600 NBA minutes
@solutionz777 Uhh....
@solutionz777 martin is better than bledsoe