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3-on-3: Taking stock

by Royce Young on November 19, 2012 at 2:39 pm 550 Comments

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Roughly 15 percent of the season has been put away, or about three weeks. For the Thunder, there were some pretty significant changes and questions coming in. From chemistry to rotations to just how they’d play, two days before the team’s first game, there was a major speed bump.

For the most part, they’ve pretty good integrating things on the fly. There have been some frustrating nights, but there does appear to be a solid sense of direction. And there also is a ceiling to this team right now that it doesn’t seem like they’re anywhere close to touching.

Where do they stand though? What are the early takeaways and lessons?

1. What’s the most encouraging thing through 11 games?

Royce Young, Daily Thunder: Defense. The Thunder have always been an outstanding offensive team, but have suffered in the games where either shots didn’t fall or they couldn’t get in a rhythm. And while OKC’s never been a poor defensive team by any means, it hasn’t exactly been a calling card. The Thunder consistently holding opponents to around 40 percent shooting and under 95 points a game. It might have more to do with the opponents than anything else but if this defense is for real, they can overcome some of the future worries about crunchtime offense and such.

Patrick James, Daily Thunder: The passing. From Kevin Durant on down, it looks like the Thunder are intent on sharing the ball more, especially in recent games. That has to be one of the ways OKC makes up for the playmaking it lost in the James Harden trade. Players are going to have to play that John Wooden style of basketball more often — passing the ball ever closer to the basket for the easiest shot possible. The Thunder just put up 31 assists two games in a row. For this team, that’s incredible, and they will be tough to beat when that happens.

Ben Golliver, SI.com: The health, productivity and overall fit of Kevin Martin. Losing James Harden and leaving a roster crater would have been disastrous. Acquiring Martin as a short-term plug for that spot was an intelligent play by Sam Presti, and it’s worked out very well. 53.6 (!) three-point shooting. Five free throw attempts per game off the bench. Per-minute scoring that is commensurate with his averages during his better years with the Kings and Rockets. That’s all encouraging, as is the fact that he hasn’t missed a game yet due to injury. After all, the biggest question mark about his being the centerpiece of the trade package was his health. Are there still some fourth quarter kinks to work out? Sure. But Martin has been encouraging because the possible downside of the alternatives — he misses time due to injury, he can’t get his shot going with new teammates, he plays too passively as he gets adjusted to a new group — all carry huge repercussions. (By the way, Kevin Durant averaging double figures in rebounds is pretty dang encouraging too.)

2. What’s the most distressing thing through 11 games?

Young: Offensive consistency. At times, the Thunder are their usual breathtaking selves. They run, they score, they play loose with a certain swagger. But then there are the times where the ball still dies and it becomes an isolationist society with Westbrook and Durant taking turns. With three of the very best offensive players in the league in Westbrook, Durant and Martin, along with Serge Ibaka who is solid offensively, there’s absolutely no reason OKC shouldn’t be in the top three in offensive efficiency by season’s end.

James: Wimpy atmospheres at home. Part of it is that the Thunder have spent a large portion of home games giving their fans little to cheer for. OKC has played sluggishly often through 11 games, and it has reflected itself in a sluggish crowd. Maybe it’s just because it’s early in the season and the fans are struggling even more than the players to get over the Harden trade. But for the most part, the Peake isn’t as loud as it has been during previous regular seasons, and people are more willing to leave even the relatively close games early. Let’s hope this is just a blip, because that’s part of what makes Oklahoma City a special spot in the NBA.

Golliver: I suppose it’s the starting five not putting up the type of numbers you would expect from a five-man unit that brings everyone back after a run to the Finals. Going small — also known as not playing Kendrick Perkins — has been a preferable approach, and that’s the direction Brooks has gone late in games. As long as the best lineup is on the court to end games, and the winning record is significantly above .500, I don’t see a major urgency in tweaking the starters, at least not yet. It’s definitely possible that the most “distressing” thing is not actually the whole starting lineup but really just Perkins and his ability to impact games.

3. Grade the Thunder through the first 11 games.

Young: I’d give them a B. They’ve mostly won the games they should and have dropped a few they shouldn’t. But that’s an NBA season. There have been some obvious worries arise and there are things to pay close attention to, but Kevin Martin has slid into his role pretty effortlessly and the team’s chemistry clearly hasn’t been severely upset. They could be better, but luckily, there are 71 games left.

James: B. Thanks to the passing and 8-3 record, it would be hard to justify anything worse than a B, even though not being able to beat a good team yet has been troubling. But it’s obvious the Thunder in no way deserves an A, not when you basically play a stinker at home against the Grizzlies and sort of labor through other games that shouldn’t have been close. Still, it’s hard to argue with 8-3. Winning at that clip means you’re probably one of the top seeds in the West. So the Thunder have been solid, but there’s plenty of room for improvement before they’re playing to their potential. And, in case anyone hasn’t noticed, it appears the potential is still pretty high.

Golliver: B+. There’s plenty of room for improvement; even still, 8-3 and No. 1 in the Northwest Division, with a two-game lead, is nothing to sneeze at. All of the hypothetical worst case scenarios — locker room explodes without Harden, bench becomes worthless without Harden, Martin doesn’t fit in, etc. — just haven’t developed. The most important part of this early season was steadying the ship and the Thunder have succeeded on that front.

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slapdoghoops
slapdoghoops 5pts

I agree with Patrick James--the Thunder has been a far better passing team givibng the team a new dimension offensively.  I would not have thought that Serge Ibaka would be averaging 15 points per game or Russel Westbrook averaging close to nine assists per game.  that's for sure. 

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

wtf?  Have you guys seem this style of profiling?

 

http://www.nba.com/draft/2012/prospects/jeremy-lamb/

slapdoghoops
slapdoghoops 5pts

 @Lambchop  I am not going to lie:  that's pretty impressive.

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

It seems to me the best thing that has ever happened to Russ's game is the fact that KD proved to be as good a passer despite having very little experience and teh profound selflessness it showed.  It took about 5 games (and 4 seasons) this yea for him to submit to a pass first PG, but this has been the longest spell in his career where he was more than happy to pass the ball.

 

30 team assists the past two games

RRRWHOAAAA
RRRWHOAAAA 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

what we don't do, via Grantland:

 

And so Popovich has his team evolving and throwing some stuff at the wall early. This is obvious even on the surface. Matt Bonner is out of the rotation even though San Antonio’s offense basically broke NBA records whenever he was on the floor last season. DeJuan Blair is back in, and Patty Mills appears to have cracked it in a real way, too. Popovich has tweaked his starting lineup several times, both between games and during them, with a new starter sometimes stepping on the court for the second half. The Spurs are the only team in the league that has played only one five-man group longer than 21 minutes this season, per NBA.com. 

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

 @RRRWHATEVER We should have been doing this long ago with Mulllens, Cole, now Lamb and PJIII.  While I dont doubt their are draw backs to this strategy, not playing them whatsoever runs a terrible risk if a major injury should befall us near or during the playoffs.  Id start by giving Lamb run with the starters so he could get into the rhythm of the game, exploit the likelyhood of being open.  1) Our starters have been underwhelming even against mediocre teams despite the fact theyve been playing together for two years. 2)  Thabo could benefit from some rest, I believe and he is really only needed against elite SG's and other situations.  NeIther of this rookies should not be on the floor at the same timem but should get run with at least both KD and Russ on teh floor

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

 @Lambchop     The difference between the Thunder and the Spurs is that the Spurs "Big 3" are all on the downhill side of their careers, whereas the Thunder's are still growing.  The Spurs needs are more immediate.

Elegy444
Elegy444 5pts

As a person who goes to 30-40 games a year, in my opinion the lack of intensity from the fans at the Peake is a direct correlation to the number of season tickets sold.  There are a lot of other fans that are going to quite a few of these games  They've seen it all now after 3 years and while still very capable of causing a earache when it matters just don't get up for the Pistons/Cavs of the world.  I try not to take it for granted that each game is an event and I try to cheer just as loud, but I've noticed a lot of people save their energy for post-football around here.

 

Likewise though, I've listened as people's basketball savvy, knowledge of players on other teams, and general basketball knowledge has also increased which is nice as well.  The market is maturing, and rather quickly.

supreme35
supreme35 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

So ready for the Clipps game.

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

Everyone needs to see the best block ever, again

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAlWprWwAN8

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lambchop

Ibaka at :39.  :)

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 There aree many beauties to this swat: 1) Blake has his signature huge run and charge and mongo leap, 2) Ibaka does not - he basically is standing still and jumps straight up.  3) ALL BALL. 4) The gargantuans (Blake) singular fprce and momentum is stopped on a dime in mid air, 5) the ball stays in play, 6) we go down and get a foul and provoke a tech (or teh refs did)

Air Bud
Air Bud 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Lambchop   @ThunderChick2010 7) Blake throwing his arms up in the air, like he was mugged.

Unstoppable35
Unstoppable35 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lambchop  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0Thfsls_N18#t=20s

Bry Bry
Bry Bry 5pts

I feel like EVERY team in the West got better but the Thunder :/

Bry Bry
Bry Bry 5pts

I'll continue to feel this way until the Thunder beat a team that matters

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

 @Lamb Fries (AKA Bry Bry)   Go hide your eyes.  Will tell you when it's safe to uncover them.

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lamb Fries (AKA Bry Bry) Youre perfectly free too

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Lamb Fries (AKA Bry Bry) Big whoop.  Its like a battle of whos second best

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Lamb Fries (AKA Bry Bry) what? I hope you're just messing around. This is kinda ridiculous

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

  @Lamb Fries (AKA Bry Bry)   Good lord...get real.  We're the Western Conference champions and still the team to beat.  Everyone else is playing "catch up" to us...not the other way around.

Bry Bry
Bry Bry 5pts

 @cemitten I said I FEEEL like every team got better. My mind knows it's false. But my gut is yellin "aaaaaggghhhhhh!!!"

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

 @cemitten  @Lamb Fries (AKA Bry Bry) Looks like someone forgot about a local kid, maybe you've heard of him, Dannie Orton. 

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts

GOOOOOOO CHAMINADE

Bry Bry
Bry Bry 5pts

http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/11/zach-randolph-fined-25k-for-incident-with-kendrick-perkins/#respond

Crownme
Crownme 5pts

WHo would have thought JaVale McGee and Thabeet would be probables for Most Improved consideration? Neither one of them really sucks as bad as they did, that's an improvement right?

Crownme
Crownme 5pts

Forgive me Lord, but good job Denver, Go Spurs

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Crownme Spurs just lost

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

hope the Thunder pay better attention to Bledsoe wed. night than San Antonio is

Unstoppable35
Unstoppable35 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YZAdOV9YOIU#t=35s

Guess they're calling for Baaaa, too...

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

Blakes scoring, rebounds and assists have falling ever since Paul arrived.  how is that possible?

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3989/blake-griffin

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lambchop  People started fouling him and giving him 20+ ft jumpers.

Unstoppable35
Unstoppable35 5pts

 @Lambchop  Paul is such a ball hog.

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

glad they didn't call a foul on parker's floppin ass

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @blueRAP No kiddin....cant guard straight up so he had to try and flop

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

spurs clippers game getting good

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

 @blueRAP Paul is teh only starter with an assist

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

 @Lambchop  wow

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

I think we match up best against the Clips.  They cant guard KD, Ibaka is perfect against Blae and Perk migh be able to neutralize Jordan.

Thunder S
Thunder S 5pts

 @Lambchop  Kd should have 50.

SexyWatt
SexyWatt 5pts

 @Lambchop

 we didn't look so good against them last year.

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

 @Lambchop  I'm afraid Jordan will just run circles around Perk. 

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

 @Old Man Game Hes not smart enoughh

duhsweetness
duhsweetness 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Please, Mavs broadcast, show me ugly fat guys dancing instead of those cheerleaders. 

Thunder S
Thunder S 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Agree with what El Prez said a while back. Absolute key to the season is Russ turning into Mo cheeks-perhaps thats why they brought him in.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Thunder S

Couldn't agree more.  Repost from El Prez.  (Please direct all likes to the rightful owner of this post below.)

 

So what is our realistic ceiling with this basketball team after watching them play eleven games?

 

To me--the ceiling for this team will be determined by one Bad Little Dude. When Russell plays basketball where he's a defense first, share the ball, hard nosed point guard like Mo Cheeks was when he won a championship with the Philly Sixers---then I'd say the realistic ceiling is to win the NBA Championship. When Russ pushes all those good things aside and plays like a selfish chunker who's primary deal is to pad his stats---then I'd say a second round exit is the realistic ceiling.

 

Russell said he's going to play every game with the mindset  he had in the New Orleans game. Count me in on that road trip. Two games in a row with that mindset...seventy one more to go in the regular season. Inch by inch...BLD. We claw, we scatch, we bleed for those championship inches. Defense first, share the ball, do the little things--and if you only score 14 points and we win by you doing these things you'll end up being recognized as the game's best point guard. A championship point guard.

Thunder S
Thunder S 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 The absolute key is: how do we respond when the offense is stalling. Do we revert to our isolationist ways? Or do we continue to trust? To me that will say a lot . i rather lose some games and continue to pass the ball than rely on russ and durant to bail us out by hero ball in desperation

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @Thunder S

Except, I would rather NOT lose some games . . .

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Thunder S  @ThunderChick2010 With that, Im on the lam

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

 @Thunder S  @ThunderChick2010 Bring lamb in

Unstoppable35
Unstoppable35 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @ThunderChick2010  @Thunder S "(Please direct all likes to the rightful owner of this post below.)"

In other words, like mine and ElPrez's post.

 

Shameless like whorin' TC....

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @Unstoppable35  @Thunder S

Really just affording El Prez the opportunity to like his own comment . . .

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Thunder S Mo's been here for a few years, no?

Thunder S
Thunder S 5pts

 @Lambchop  yea he is. im just saying probably thats the trajectory they envisioned for russ

Thunder S
Thunder S 5pts

 @Lambchop  case and point, the midrange j

 

Thunder S
Thunder S 5pts

i should say. he's not in the same league as a passer- just saying that mentality: tough and hard nosed

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