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So how does this work, now back to panicking?
The issues were aplenty in the Thunder’s 104-95 loss to the Hawks that dropped them to 1-2. Rebounding, turnovers, spotty defense, spotty offense and extremely inconsistent play from Russell Westbrook all did Oklahoma City in. Oh, and the Hawks made a whole bunch of shots.
The season is yet very young still, but in my mind, this loss is far, far more frustrating than the flat finish against the Spurs. For one, the Hawks aren’t nearly as good as San Antonio and they were playing without Josh Smith. For two, it was the general disposition of the Thunder late in the game that’s concerning.
Unlike years past, there was a lack of closing and a missing killer instinct. And not just in the fourth. But after the big run to close the second quarter, there wasn’t any kind of sense of urgency coming out of the locker room to carry momentum and energy over to the third quarter. Instead, it was a flat third that set a very poor defensive tone for the second half.
The chances were there late. Tied at 81-81 with 7:07 left. Then down two at 91-89 with 4:05 remaining. After that the Hawks closed on a 13-6 run, making shots, plays and getting stops.
“It shouldn’t be going back and forth,” said Kevin Durant. “We’re a defensive team and we can’t be having that many breakdowns in a game. We just can’t. That goes down the line, it’s from everybody. It’s not just from one person, it’s from everybody on the team. So it’s something to learn from and we’ll be better next game.”
Speaking of learning, while KD’s evolving playmaking is excellent, it’s also a bit curious. He flirted with a triple-double tonight — 22 points, 12 rebounds and eight assists — but that’s now all three games under 25 points for Durant this season. Durant being a guy that once scored more than 25 in something like 30 straight games. KD’s averaging just 16 shots per game, about four fewer a game than last season. He’s passing and creating more, but forgetting himself.
“You know, sometimes I need to be more aggressive to score, that’s what I do,” Durant said. “Next game I’ll be better in that area. I got to make more plays for my teammates and myself. But it’s something to learn from like I said. Some shots I should’ve took, but I passed up. But I’ll be better next game.”
Said Scott Brooks about it: “I never complain about guys trying to make the extra pass and make the right play. Kevin is a playmaker that makes the right play. I thought he passed up four shots tonight. And that’s something I’ll talk to him about. When you’re open you’ve got to shoot it. And that’s what we talk about to all our guys. You pass a good shot up for a great shot, absolutely. But a good for a good, Kevin needs to take those shots. But he’s rebounding, he’s passing — he just has to clean up his turnovers, six turnovers is too many. But I love when guys make plays and eight assists, I’ll take that any day.”
Durant possesses that incredible ability to flip a switch and take over, but at the same time, you can’t feed your family but forget to feed yourself. Because if your breadwinner starves, the whole group does eventually. Durant’s evolution as a playmaker and creator is a very excellent development to his game. It’s much needed, now more than ever without Harden. But he’s a natural born scorer and the high percentage play is often Durant taking a shot. Because even if it’s a bad shot, the ball has a better chance of going in the basket than if he’s firing a pass through Serge Ibaka’s legs.
Big bright spot though: Kevin Martin lit it up. He scored 22 of his 28 in the first half, hit a big 3 late and looked extremely comfortable on the floor as a scorer. He only took 11 shots to get it all, hitting 6-of-8 from 3. For such a big game, it had to be a little odd for him to be going off while still going multiple possessions without seeing the ball.
“Nah, not like that,” Martin said. “We have a great team so we want to keep on building chemistry however that is, that’s one shot or 30 shots.”
Which is where the frustration of playing with Westbrook has to come in. Nobody defends Russ more than me, but there are games where he has to reel himself in. He didn’t force many bad shots or give away too many bad turnovers in the second half, but it’s the handful of empty possessions that he creates. When a guy like Martin is so clearly in a groove, Westbrook has to put on his point guarding hat and make things happen for him. I will never buy into this “Westbrook has to set teammates up” thing, but in certain situations, it’s much more necessary. Because Martin isn’t like James Harden in that the ball is in his hands and it’s his prerogative whether or not a shot goes up. Martin needs a setup, and with Westbrook’s skills, that should be able to happen more.
But it wasn’t Westbrook’s play that did OKC in. He had nine assists to only three turnovers. More than anything, it was the team’s overall defensive inconsistency, which is unnerving since the Thunder were so strong on that end the first two games. You can survive these ugly games, the ones where you turn it over and Westbrook shoots poorly if you’re getting stops. When you fail on that end, it means you have to be close to perfect on the other.
I’m going to keep saying this for at least a month: It’s too early to make any sweeping determination about the state of this team. We’re four percent done with the season. There are 79 games to play. There’s a lot to learn, a lot to grow from, a lot to get better at. A 3-0, or even 2-1 start would’ve made the shakeup of the last week feel a lot better, but this is a process and there’s no reason to start getting impatient, yet.
NOTES:
- Martin on his early impressions: “I think we all just want it so bad right now and we just have to realize it’s not April, May or June yet. It’s game three. We just have to come in to practice tomorrow, watch some film and have a better showing Tuesday night.
- I was really hoping Kevin Martin would get to 30 so I could share this stat: It took James Harden 195 games with the Thunder to score 30. Obviously there are a lot of qualifiers that come with that, but it’s a stat and a fact.
- Scott Brooks is clearly playing with his rotations some. He tried Eric Maynor and Reggie Jackson on the floor for five minutes in the second quarter. Results? Meh. Nothing that noticeable. The pair was a +1, but there wasn’t anything special about it.
- Brooks on his rotations: “That’s definitely a work in progress. Hopefully after some games we’ll have some rhythm there.”
- Brooks on turnovers: “We are an aggressive team. But we definitely have to stop turning the ball over. Twenty turnovers … that’s almost one quarter of basketball, you just take over halfcourt and give the guy the ball. It’s too many. We have to do a better job of valuing the basketball and getting a shot every time on the goal.”
- Hey, Serge Ibaka! He did stuff! Ibaka finally found his jumper a bit, knocking down 6-of-9 from the floor and scoring 14 points. Still, he’s just not impacting the game it seems. You could pin a whole lot of the defensive issues late on him. His pick-and-roll coverages were weak and he got lost rotating a couple of times.
- On Ibaka’s jumper: He’s so much more decisive with his jumper. He doesn’t really hesitate anymore. I think that’s been his problem with it early in the season is that he’s rushed the open ones. Tonight he took his time just a tick longer and knocked a few down.
- Hasheem Thabeet looks like an Avatar.
- Thabeet didn’t see any time in the second half, but he’s been much better than I anticipated. Like I’ve said, he’s in a role where he doesn’t have a whole lot of responsibility, which is helping him I think.
- I thought pregame this game would be mostly about the benches and other than Martin, OKC’s completely stunk. Maynor was poor, Nick Collison didn’t make a big impact and those five minutes from Jackson didn’t produce much.
- Brooks went mostly with smallball in the fourth. And the Thunder didn’t defend with it. The idea behind it is to create mismatches but the Hawks had no trouble guarding OKC.
- They won, but I have no idea why Larry Drew didn’t play Jeff Teague much in the second half.
- Rumble Watch: He went 0-for-1 on backwards halfcourt shots tonight.
- And outstanding play by Durant halfway through the first quarter I wanted to highlight: DeShawn Stevenson got him with a pump fake and stepped in to shoot a long 2. KD recovered to contest the shot from behind, Stevenson missed short and Durant hustled in and grabbed the rebound.
- KD was going through his pregame routine then glanced up at the clock and saw it was down to 10 seconds and quickly finished up his routine, skipping the part where laces up his shoes again.
- As they always do, the Thunder had their current opponent’s — in this case, the Hawks — previous game on in the locker room for players to watch as they got ready. Atlanta’s previous opponent? The Rockets. Kinda awkward.
- Brian Davis Line of the Night via @JustinKann: “K-Mart! Don’t discount that, that’s good for 3.”
Next up: Toronto at home Tuesday.





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@Skyline fail
Anyone check out the Dragonborn DLC trailer yet?
@D-MC nah
Last night reminded me exactly of the play with lack of intensity two seasons ago when the Thunder rarely won on Sunday's.
I'm not sure if it is a Sat night hangover or Sunday afternoon watching to much football with their family's before getting ready for the Sunday games.
What is the DT scoop on the players arguing and needing to be separated? .... and the egos are to blame, game?
@Skyline nothing just sound like some gossipy bs, players argue a lot
@Lost Ones I'm not making much of it either, but it seems early to already be hearing this.
@Skyline just making players accountable for missed rotations and lapses its good they're communicating
once this team gets clicking man are we gonna be dangerous, unless scott fucks it all up (possible)
@Lost Ones We need to beat the raptors on tuesday for draft pick reasons, russ and had better play better defense against lowry.
@f5alcon I agree lowry on a mission might need to put thabo on him.
@Lost Ones though for fantasy I will be fine with lowry tearing it up, as long as they still lose the game.
@Lost Ones 27 assists.
except for the spurs and knicks every team is going through its own share of problems right now it seems...
@kennygee90 And the Knicks will get theirs when Amare comes back...
I should not have drank all that beer last night.
#maypukeatwork
lmao thats great...i got destroyed in fantasy this week but instead of being down 2-9 i'm only down 0-1
@bmuelle21 yeah it didn't help me
@bmuelle21 but knowing I just need 6 wins a week should make it easier to not lose. You should be fine, you had better numbers than almost everybody else.
@bmuelle21 yeah, it is basically two guaranteed categories to the team I play against. Oh well should have read the rules in advance, he had it set well in advance. Just should start sitting players late in the week that foul a lot if I am winning the other categories comfortably.
@ou_sas yeah though that league needed the simplicity.
@f5alcon @bmuelle21 In our gag league, it's simple win-loss too, but wins are determined by point totals.
@f5alcon ik TO's are standard and I have no problem with those, but pf is kind of weak lol
@bmuelle21 Yeah, TOs are in standard leagues but not PFs, I play alldae this week who was also 9-2 but based on last week's numbers i would have won 7-4.
@f5alcon yea, I think you are easily the best team in the league and unless something happens (injury) you will stay that way unless a crazy trade happens. I really don't understand the pf category. It's just another way to let people who had a crappy draft who got a bunch of players who don't play much to win a category, that and the TO one.
If Brooks, at some point Tuesday, doesn't play Lamb or Perry I will be very disappointed.
@novelisticbee0 Get used to disappointment, Scottie is at the helm. Only way they play is in a blowout..
Long time DT stalker, first time commenter.
General: I really think this team is just going through some early growing pains. No need to panic. Long, long season.
Specifically: K-Mart seems to have caught on quickly offensively, but there is still a lot of room to grow for the team. I like what little I have seen from Thabeet so far. Looks like Maynor may be having some issues seeing certain things after the long time off (noticed him getting coached up by Russ during some timeouts Friday night). Noticed a lot of on-court coaching from the guys these first few games. And noticed some good defensive sets early last night. Did anyone else notice what seemed like ridiculous confidence from Lamb on that 3 he drained Friday? I'm winded...
@MrSmythe Welcome aboard our crazy train!
Agree 100% with your general thought. And K-Mart is shooting up my favorite Thunder player leader board.
@ou_sas Thanks. Just glad to be here. I'll admit, most of my opinions are only loosely based in what I perceive as factual. Could get interesting.
@MrSmythe Then you're on the same footing as the rest of us! Interesting is our stock-in-trade here on DT. :D
I really should read cleandoe's rules for fantasy, was unaware that it isn't like most fantasy leagues and it is either a win or lose each week not categories.
@f5alcon
We should all pay closer attention to cleandoe. :)
@ThunderChick2010 @f5alcon I forgot to set my lineup Saturday and that ruined me :(
@D-MC @ThunderChick2010 I set mine for a week at a time so that doesnt happen
Kenyon Martin says he'll play for the league minimum now.
@anonymous12345 Make it happen presti...
@neo12 @anonymous12345 The correct meme is "Get it done, Presti."
But yes, I agree. :D
@anonymous12345 Instantly would be the top rebounding big on the team
@tygablood @anonymous12345 Which we need, and he is a vet so brooks will play him a lot
The curse of the sunday night games returns
Very disappointing to see a team of the Thunder's caliber being bested by a far weaker team such as the Atlanta Hawks. Add the fact that the Hawks were handicapped as they were without Josh Smith for the game. Luckily it's an 82 game season so there is plenty of time for OKC to redeem themselves.
Good Mo(nday)rning D!
I think if Brooks wants to keep his starting rotation then Reggie needs to replace Maynor. This may be blashphamey i nthe world of OKcbaby but Maynor is not playing well. weather it be injury or Harden just made him look great doesnt matter. He is not what we hoped we would be. Honestly, if he isnt the old maynor then what is the point of decreasing the development of reggie. I dont think reggie is the best but maynor is not himself.
Another option would be to keep Russ in with the second group instead of KD. Brings less alarm when he shoots and it could allow either PJ3 or lamb as a better fit in the rotation. Then pull russ and play Reggie at the start of the 2nd with KD in the lineup as the primary ball handler. Basically ,I think Brooks pulls Russ early when it should be KD.
@PerkPunt Another Justin
My penalty for assuming OKC would win last night and thus not following it - a disgraceful loss...
Add insult to injury, Josh Smith - my Fantasy Team Superstar didn't even play!!! OKC loss and a big fat Fantasy goose egg!
@ThunderBelize I blame ThunderBelize for this loss.
PJ3 and Lamb must start playing in the rotations.
Just remember everyone we are three games into the season. Yes we should be 3-0 and easily could be, but it's ok to go through some early growing pains and mental lapses from a post NBA Championship loss and big team trade. This team will be ok, and just remember even though RW can be a frustrating player he is a very valuable part to this team, and he is a better player than a lot of you are giving him credit for. Remember when he started terribly last season then after about game 8 started playing like a beast. The Thunder will be fine just weather the storm. #ThunderUp
@H2H Hombre Exactly 3 games in with a revamped roster. You would think the sky is falling
@OkcBaby @H2H Hombre our starting 5 is the exact same, not revamped...our starters have been bad for awhile now
@tygablood @OkcBaby @H2H Last time I checked basketball was a team sport
@tygablood @OkcBaby @H2H The losses were not because of kmart, and not even because of lack of pnr yesterday, 25 points off turnovers, and bad rebounding did that.
@OkcBaby @H2H losing record not ideal with 2 games at home vs creme puffs
@tygablood @OkcBaby @H2H And......
@OkcBaby @H2H 1-2 though.
@tygablood @OkcBaby @H2H Yea it hasnt just 20 ppg. hahahha
@OkcBaby @H2H interesting, hasn't looked like it so far.
@tygablood @OkcBaby @H2H I think we got a pretty good replacement and then some
@OkcBaby @H2H well our starting lineup played horribly last season and in playoffs tbh so maybe the 6th man of the year had something to do with our success and when he was in they were the best O in the league
@tygablood @OkcBaby @H2H So bad that we made the finals last year