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DT Mailbag: Draft picks, free agents and financial flexibility

by Royce Young on November 9, 2012 at 2:16 pm 140 Comments

WANT

1. Me and my buddies were trying to figure out how the protected pick from Toronto works. None of us seem to know under what circumstances we keep the pick and how the pick could go back to the Raptors. Could you explain these scenarios? 2. Can you talk about some of the possibilities of the long-term solution at shooting guard. — Thomas F.

1. OK here’s how protected picks go: The Thunder have Toronto’s 2013 first round pick, top three protected and 15-30 protected next season and protected through 2017. In 2015, it’s top two and 15-30 protected. In 2016 and 2017, it’s top one and 15-30 protected. In 2018, it’s unprotected. That means next draft if the Raptors landed in the top three of the lottery, they get to keep the pick. That doesn’t mean the Thunder just lose it though. It just means it rolls over to 2014, where it would then be top two protected. And then on to 2015, 2016 and 2017. Same goes for the Mavs top-20 protected pick, through 2017. If that pick lands in the top 20 before 2017, the Mavs keep it and it just keeping rolling over to the next season until it either gets to 2017 or falls outside the top 20.

2. I’m really intrigued with the future of that position in OKC. There are some intriguing free agent options coming available next summer (Manu Ginobili, Andre Iguodala, Monta Ellis, Gerald Henderson, J.J. Redick), there’s the option of simply re-signing Kevin Martin, there’s the development of Jeremy Lamb and then there’s the Raptors pick. It’s definitely unknown which direction the Thunder will lean in the draft, but I’d assume they would be in the market for a new shooting guard. The best options there: Shabazz Muhammed, B.J. Young, Archie Goodwin and C.J. McCollum.

Or the Thunder use the pick to target a new center for the future. There’s not really a viable long-term solution on the roster there now and with a solid number of bigs in the draft — Cody Zeller, Nerlens Noel, Rudy Gobert — the Thunder could target a Perk replacement.

The good news is, the Thunder have options. Of course re-signing Harden was the preference, but the Thunder do have some new flexibility within the roster now. There’s a little financial breathing room and an opportunity to improve the team instead of just locking in to a core unit for the next five years.

Let’s assume the Thunder get lucky and get the fourth overall pick next year? Who should we take? — Terry M.

Like I said in the answer above, a lot of that depends on what the Thunder do with Martin and what they think of Jeremy Lamb. Or if they like a free agent like Redick. If they’re high on both, or even one, shooting guard might not be the way to go. Targeting a big to make Perk more expendable could be the better play.

But to me, if there’s an opportunity to get Shabazz Muhammed, you go for it. Granted, he has a whole season to play and things could change, but as it stands now, I’d make a deal to get into the top three if I had to. OK, so maybe I’m just trying to get Harden back but look at him. He’s a smooth lefty that can shoot, slash, pass and score. Isn’t he kind of perfect?

Still, I could absolutely understand going for a big man. A lot of this depends on where the pick lands. If it’s 12, the Thunder’s options will be limited and they’ll probably take a project big man and try and develop Lamb. But if they get lucky… oh boy.

Howdy, forgive my naivety [sic], but what do you think of a trade consisting something along the lines of: Perkins plus a first round pick to the Pacers for Roy Hibbert? I don’t mind the Harden trade so much, but I think OKC need a more defensive minded player in order to take it to the next level. And I’d rather trade Perk for some return rather than have to use the amnesty on him, if anyone I would rather use the amnesty on Westbrook. — James M.

Two problems with that trade: 1) The Pacers would never, ever do it and 2) if the Thunder weren’t willing to pay James Harden the max, they surely aren’t going to pay Roy Hibbert that, which is what he just signed.

And amnestying Westbrook would pretty much be the dumbest thing ever. Actually, that’s wrong. Amnestying KD would be the dumbest thing ever. So second dumbest thing ever.

I know that the feelings about the Harden trade are still fresh and it almost seems a little insensitive to bring it up so soon, but I wanted to ask about the potential effects of this trade financially for the organization. Does this trade really offer the Thunder a lot of cap space going forward and does it make re-signing Maynor a lock? Also, is Kendrick Perkins still a potential amnesty candidate since the Thunder now have the ability to acquire a center early in the draft (a guaranteed top 3 pick if I’m not mistaken) or use the draft picks in a trade for an established player? — Chad E.

It definitely clears the books some. Not a lot, but some. Here’s how it shakes out financially for the Thunder:

In 2013-14, the Thunder will have $55,816,241 committed to KD, Westbrook, Ibaka, Perk, Collison, Thabo, Perry Jones, Jeremy Lamb, Reggie Jackson and Nick Collison. The cap will likely be set somewhere around $60 million. That’s nine players under contract. So the Thunder will have access to the full mid-level exception as well as a decent amount of cash to use to either re-sign Kevin Martin or use it on someone else.

Essentially, the luxury tax concerns are gone. But that doesn’t mean the Thunder are afraid to spend. Keep in mind, when they offered Harden roughly $55 million, the Thunder were going to break significantly into the luxury tax. So if it’s Martin or some other player, the Thunder aren’t shy about spending.

Is Perk still an amnesty candidate? Sure. Absolutely. But not for the same reasons he was before. Under the new CBA rules, you can amnesty one player during the life of the agreement if the player was under contract when the new CBA when into effect. So if the Thunder determine Perk is mostly a waste of money, or feel like Hasheem Thabeet, Daniel Orton, Tibor Pleiss or some future draft pick is better there, Perk could get slashed. Because with the amnesty, you either use it or lose it.

How come nobody is talking about Perry Jones III anymore? If anything the Harden trade creates more minutes and more playing time for PJ3. This is sort of forgotten because of the shock factor that goes with losing Harden and his beard. But having PJ3 playing side by side with KD is so much more in play now than it was with Harden on board. PJ3 along side KD just creates so much length, especially with Ibaka at the 5.  What is your take on this? — Derek V.

This email came in the day after the trade and I was in full agreement with it. I saw this as a major opportunity for Jones to slide in and provide a big bench spark.

Through the first five games, Jones has played a total of 23 minutes. And he’s only attempted four total shots. He looks extremely lost on the floor playing with OKC’s starters and second unit, completely unsure of himself. Jones has the talent to be a very impactful player, but it’s clearly a work in progress for him right now.

I think Scott Brooks wants to find time for him on the floor because Jones can do things and make a difference, but he’s got to perform when he gets those opportunities.

We all know about the new rule change requiring the tip off to follow the player introductions by no more than 90 seconds.  My question is if there are any ways around this.  For example, is it required that the visiting team be introduced first or could they be introduced afterwards to buy more time?  How about dragging names out as long as possible?  Are we allowed to introduce the entire squad or only the starters?  Are there actual rules against these or are is it basically just the way it’s always been done?  I know it would seem ticky tacky, but if they feel the need to make a ticky tacky rule, what’s the harm in finding the loopholes? — Seth P.

I think you’re thinking way too hard about this, Seth.

In regards to your mailbag question regarding the “experience” of watching a game in OKC: How great would it be if we were the one NBA team that had our crowd sing in unison the National Anthem for EVERY game? That would be somewhat signature. I don’t need to hear the next great four part harmony group to come out of Midwest City or the Bieber look-alike from Edmond come out and butcher the Star Spangled Banner before every home game. I think all would get chills to hear thousands of people singing the song together. 

I watched a hockey playoff game a few years back where the gentleman that was singing started O Canada and then dropped off and then let the folks finish it. I got goosebumps watching on TV and I have never even been to Canada. Imagine the same thing 41+ times this year. It needs to happen and it could be the one great thing about game experience in OKC. — Dale S.

I totally dig the idea. Similar to what the Blackhawks do. There are so many cool things the Thunder should be taking advantage of, but don’t. Knowing our luck, they’d have Sandi Patty sing it every night though.

Have a question or thought? Send it to dailythunder@gmail.com.

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CDNBallJunkie
CDNBallJunkie 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

If Presti doesn't resign Martin, who's out there around the same pay grade? If we were willing to go into luxury tax horrors at one point during the Harden negotiations, I doubt Presti would hesitate doing it again for a worthwhile player in the market.

Crow
Crow 5pts

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents/ @CDNBallJunkie 

OBoy
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/tmrga9m5r1o25wy/Screen%20Shot%202012-11-09%20at%203.49.40%20PM.png

 

 @PerkPunt make this your avi please

okcjim
okcjim 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@OBoy Jones III @PerkPunt don't harass the thunder players please.

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/11/pistons-vs-thunder-pregame-primer-4/

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

In other news, I just ordered a crapload of wings from Wingstop.

 

#FatFriday

OBoyzOld Man
OBoyzOld Man 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @D-MC

 You really have a way with words.  Wingstop might be interested in you for a new commercial spot.  :)

 

Enjoy and Thunder Up!

Perk-Nightmares
Perk-Nightmares 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

lol PJ3 just cursed me out on instagram.

 

 

I just told him to stop plaing scared.

 

We'll see if it lights a fire under him.

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts

 @PerkPunt yes...either that..OOOOOOR  . your ip gets traced, and some very mean thunder players show up to your door with bats lol

OBoyzOld Man
OBoyzOld Man 5pts

 @PerkPunt

 Your phone's ringing - its Mitch Kupchak.  Don't do it.  Let it ring.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 got it! cropping it now

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

 @PerkPunt /frowns

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 8 Like

 @PerkPunt Good thing you shared your expertise with him. 

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @Jooseppi  @PerkPunt You should be coach, PerkPunt! So intelligent.

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts

 @PerkPunt  Coach Nick!  

Perk-Nightmares
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 @D-MC  @Jooseppi

 i do. I coach my sisters AAU team for six years,

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

 @PerkPunt SCREENSHOT PLEASE

duhsweetness
duhsweetness 5pts

What can you guys tell me about Enid, Oklahoma? It was a clue in a crossword puzzle I did earlier. Would you say that's the MOST impressive fact about that place or like, only second or third most impressive fact?

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

 @duhsweetness I lived in Enid for a few years. It's a nice enough small city (about 50,000 pop.). Every time I tell someone in OKC I used to live there they always respond with "wow bet you're glad to be out of there, not a lot to do up there" which is funny since its exactly what people from New York and L.A. say about the OKC's of the world. Anyway, like was said, there's a military base, a mall that's almost entirely empty other than a couple anchor tenants at this point, a wal-mart and a handful of local eating joints like Callahan's and Panevino that are truly great. Oh, and Uptown Subs which is still my favorite sandwich place of all time. Best part about living there, short commute, easy to get to work. That's what I miss the most about it. Worst part? No OKC Thunder of course. 

OBoyzOld Man
OBoyzOld Man 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @duhsweetness

A public company (Continental Resources) that was started in Enid bought a building a block from the 'Peake and moved to OKC just to be closer to the THunder.

 

In other news, Kareem coached a minor league team based in Enid for 1 year.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
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 @duhsweetness Mark and Brent Price are from there. That's all I know.

Tronchaser
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 @duhsweetness There's a university there that used to be called Philips U... they changed it though. Don't know what it is now.  Their HS mascot is the "Plainsmen"

duhsweetness
duhsweetness 5pts

 @Tronchaser @Barry Amenema @OBoy Jones III @Jax Raging Bile Duct  Thanks, guys! It's always nice to learn stuff that will never, ever help in my life. Plainsmen is the name of the Auburn newspaper and also one of their unofficial mascots. So there's some knowledge for YOU guys.

purplelvstuff
purplelvstuff 5pts

 @duhsweetness  @Tronchaser  @Barry Amenema  @OBoy Jones III  @Jax Raging Bile Duct Duh, where are you from.  And do you have to pay the Troll's Toll to get there?

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @duhsweetness it's Dine spelled backwards...and Tulsa is...

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @duhsweetness it's an hour away from OKC, they have a military base and a kids museum i visited a few times as a kid. That's all i got. 

duhsweetness
duhsweetness 5pts

They have Sweet Leaf iced tea for $1 a bottle at the Kroger closest to my house. Nothing to do with basketball, but it's the greatest bottled iced tea on the planet. 

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

 @duhsweetness We don't have Kroger in Oklahoma unfortunately. 

 EatSleepThunder
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It appears I missed a like fest last night..... I will make up for it by saying comments that were bound to get me likes is they were posted last night.

 

GO THUNDER. WE DA BEST. WESTBROOK SHOULD AVERAGE 15 ASSISTS A GAME. KD IS COLD BLOODED. MARTIN IS EFFICIENT. HASHEEM IS GOOD (er... I don't know about that one). PERK SITS AND WE WIN. HOLDING ON TO HIS KNEE, HOLDING ONTO HIS KNE... *MUTE*

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts

 @EatSleepThunder +1 granted.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Tronchaser  @EatSleepThunderDerrick Rose ads showing him about to walk onto the court don't really belong  til he is close to returning. It is months away. I doubt many people outside of Chicago are obsessed with DRose.

Lost Ones
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For Kenneth Faried, the most valuable lessons learned from Olajuwon over the summer came at the other end of the floor.

“Everybody thinks it was about offense, learning how to score,” said Faried, who worked out in Sugar Land, Tex. with Olajuwon and his Nuggets teammate McGee. “But I think what is going to help me the most are the things that Hakeem showed to help me with defense.

“The footwork and me just doing the twirls and spins, learning how to keep my feet moving constantly are things that can make me a better defender.

“I can read people defensively and react to them or anticipate and get to a spot ahead of my opponent. And he showed me that I can get out there and play perimeter guys and still at the same time I can shut down the biggest bigs on the inside.”

Olajuwon was a five-time member of the All-Defensive Team, was named Defensive Player of the Year with the Rockets in both 1993 and 1994 and averaged 3.1 blocked shots and 1.7 steals over the course of his 18-year NBA career.

“People forget Hakeem was a great defender,” said Denver coach George Karl. “He won Defensive Player of the Year. For me, our big guys are really rebounders and defenders first. The offense comes to them through our guards attacking and making plays for them as much as giving them opportunities to make plays for themselves.”

From Bryant to Howard to James, the primary reason that most of them seek out Olajuwon as a tutor is to glean a few tips from his unique footwork to create space down in the low post that makes it easier to get shots off. But from the time that he first took up the game back in Nigeria, Olajuwon’s first love was always protecting the basket as a shot blocker. It was his penchant for jumping into the passing lanes and going down onto the floor to make steals that led to Hakeem wearing what became his signature large red knee pads.

Faried played a key role in the Nuggets’ help defense in Wednesday night’s win at Houston, frequently cutting off and contesting James Harden’s drives to the basket. He made a timely block of Harden’s try for a layup with 47.9 seconds left in the game that helped seal the win.

Though the 6-foot-8 Faried’s offensive range is limited and his style is to simply attack the basket and the pursuit of rebounds ferociously, he is trying to expand what he can.

“It helps a lot to get the finesse game,” he said. “It helps you as a person to not have to dunk everything at the rim. You can sometimes, when somebody’s fouling, learn how to maneuver or finesse it up for a layup or just know how to go through contact without always dunking.

“But for my role on our team, I found Hakeem’s defensive help and his philosophy and style of moving in order to always stay in front of his man to be the most valuable. That’s a way I’d like to play.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

man i wish ibaka had went.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

 @Lost Ones Faried has still been a bad defender this season fromw hat I've seen.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

 @Lost Ones Can't teach size, as they say.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @justin_mia he has an abnormal wingspan.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @justin_mia  @Lost Ones yup

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Bill Simmons and Magic Johnson keep talking about the Lakers trading Gasol for Josh Smith and Kyle Korver, do they not understand Pau Gasol isn't that valuable?

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OBoy Jones III No, but neither do some of the GMs in this league.

duhsweetness
duhsweetness 5pts

 @OBoy Jones III Kyle Korver has been awful this season and Atlanta has been shopping Smoove around for two years now. Plus, they'd put Gasol at the 5 so Horford could play 4 which they really want/need to happen there.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @duhsweetness No way Ferry would do that trade. 

duhsweetness
duhsweetness 5pts

 @OBoy Jones III I don't think so either, I was just trying to rationalize it. If you threw Metta World Peace and Devin Harris into the mix, the trade works financially and doesn't actually benefit either team on paper according to the almighty ESPN TRADE MACHINE

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

a lot of terrible questions wow i didn't even bother reading royces responses. 

Air Bud
Air Bud 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Lost Ones I think those questions were from Darnell using alias names.

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Just a conversation topic.

 

What would a fair trade for KD be.

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

 @cemitten None.  There isnt one.

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @cemitten The rights to the next 5 NBA titles. 

alvarex
alvarex 5pts

 @cemitten A mid-level superstar and about 8 draft picks, I'd think.

 

So something like a melo, wade, love, howard and the next decades worth of draft picks (top 5 protected for US) plus maybe fillers.

 

Or Lebron straight up.  

 

Still wouldn't do it.

anonymous12345
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 @cemitten

 Lebron

 

End of list.

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts

all of these answers suck. Lost ones is acceptable if he's not being sarcastic.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @cemitten Dwade and chris bosh

Air Bud
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 @cemitten No more questions for you Bro!

OBoy
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 @cemitten David Stern

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