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Hawks vs. Thunder: Pregame Primer

by Royce Young on November 4, 2012 at 3:53 pm 1,985 Comments

vs.

Atlanta Hawks (0-1, 0-0 road) vs. OKC Thunder (1-1, 1-0 home)

TV: FS OK (Cox 37, HD 722, Tulsa Cox 27, DirectTV 679, UVerse 754)
Stream: Click here
Radio: WWLS The Sports Animal (98.1 FM, 640 AM, 97.1 FM Tulsa)
Time: 6:00 CT

Offensive Rating: Thunder – 101.9 (15th), Hawks– 104.7 (9th)
Defensive Rating: Thunder – 95.5 (7th), Hawks – 111.9 (28th)
Pace: Thunder – 93.2 (21st), Hawks – 97.4 (3rd)

View from the enemy: Hoopinion

After tonight, it’s either a winning record, or a losing one. And having a losing record is no fun at all.

The win over Portland certainly righted things, at least temporarily, in that people quit focusing on the negatives in losing to the Spurs and redirected at looking at the positives. Russell Westbrook sent a reminder that he’s a good basketball player and Kevin Martin continued on with his capable efficient scoring.

As of now, things feel OK.

But it’s a new game which means it’s a new opportunity to tilt the scale one way or the other. Both in the win-loss column, and in the overall outlook of the team.

Atlanta coming in: They’ve played once losing to the Rockets at home.

Three Big Things

1. No Josh Smith. The versatile power forward is out tonight, meaning a bigger role for Anthony Tolliver and likely Ivan Johnson. So if Perk plays, as expected, that means Ivan Johnson versus Perk. That’s a whole lot of scary.

2. Bench battle. In their opener, the Hawks got 37 from their second unit, including 22 from Lou Williams. OKC is obviously working in new things with its second unit, and is counting on Eric Maynor and Kevin Martin to continue to provide production. With Smith out for Atlanta, the Hawks are going to be in search of supplementary scoring.

3. KD, PG. Durant is clearly focused on playmaking and rebounding right now. I love watching him score more than anything, but Durant wants to create and distribute for teammates. And late against the Blazers, he ran the offense quite a bit. The Thunder are probably going to work on that even more tonight.

Tip at 6:00 CT. Go Kevins.

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holeydonut
holeydonut 5pts

Have you guys seen any Rockets games lately?  Their SG looks like a great candidate for the Thunder to make a trade for.  He would fit well into OKC's system.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @holeydonut he doesnt solve russ hero mode, or the turnover or rebounding problems

S4TISF4CTION
S4TISF4CTION 5pts

 @holeydonut FUNNY.

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts

http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/11/defenses-dooms-the-thunder-against-atlanta-104-95/#respond

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

my coaching idea 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBLaFjV9xTs

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Coaches better then Scott brooks

 

Lionel Hollins

Scott Skiles

Alvin Gentry

Monty Williams

Kevin McHale

Mike Woodson,

 Avery Johnson

Rick Adelman,

 Frank Vogel

 Doug Collins

George Karl---- i hate him though

 Rick Carlisle

 Erik Spoelstra,(yes im serious)

Tom Thibodeau

Glenn Doc Rivers

Gregg Popovich

holeydonut
holeydonut 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lost Ones You left out both the Van Gundy's

 

I'll take a drunk Van Gundy just for the sheer entertainment factor and bald spot reflections

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts

 @Lost Ones Coach Nick!!!! Why does everybody always forget Coach Nick?!?

alvarex
alvarex 5pts

 @Lost Ones Mike D'antoni, Phil Jackson...

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @Lost Ones Larry Brown, Coach Krswkzwkzi, Jim Boeheim, Nate McMillan, PJ Carlesimo

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @Lost Ones Hubie Brow, Eric Musselman

qrex
qrex 5pts

 @ALL I WANT 4 MY BIRTHDAY IS A BIG BOOTY GUL  @Lost Ones Yeah bring back PJ!

 

qrex
qrex 5pts

 @ALL I WANT 4 MY BIRTHDAY IS A BIG BOOTY GUL  @Lost Ones Or were you serious about PJ?

As Promised
As Promised 5pts

 @ALL I WANT 4 MY BIRTHDAY IS A BIG BOOTY GUL  @Lost Ones I also think Nate McMillan coached the Sonics also

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts

 @ALL I WANT 4 MY BIRTHDAY IS A BIG BOOTY GUL  @Lost Ones My JV coach

As Promised
As Promised 5pts

 @Lost Ones George Karl was already a Head Coach for the Thunder, when they were the Super Sonics.  Spolstra has Lebron, he's just a year older then Brooks.  And 5 names I don't even know them.

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @thelaughingwiseman  @Lost Ones then this conversation is above your head

qrex
qrex 5pts

 @Lost Ones Aren't some of these guys under contract and unavailable?

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @qrex  I was asked what coaches are better then brooks

alvarex
alvarex 5pts

 @qrex  @Lost Ones He was just asked to name 15-20 coaches better than Brooks, not necessarily valid replacements.

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts

ok..ive calmed down a bit, and this is just one loss but still. we win this game had brooks used his damn brain and taken perk OUT, and not waited till the 5 min mark of the 4th quarter to bring ibaka back.  Plus russ HAS to start trusting people more.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @Legendary_Dork I think more Russ has to start taking better shots. This is unlikely to happen given we've let him take bad shots for 4 years now, but still. He can't keep having sub 33% shooting nights while still taking 15+ shots. He's not Kobe.

alvarex
alvarex 5pts

 @Keith00  @Legendary_Dork He was making most of these shots last year.  I wonder if beefing up has affected his accuracy.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @alvarex  @Legendary_Dork That's patently false. He was only league average efficiency last year, and his mid-range shooting wasn't elite either. Russ made more shots last year, but not MOST of any shots except at the rim.

 

Russ is an incredible offensive player, but also not a very "smart" one. He gives defenses a free pass by pulling up for all the mid-range jumpers he does. I'm not saying cut them out completely, but he can't keep taking 70+% of his shots on jumpers - that was dumb last year too.

alvarex
alvarex 5pts

 @ALL I WANT 4 MY BIRTHDAY IS A BIG BOOTY GUL  @Keith00  @Legendary_Dork True.  So maybe he can get out of this funk.

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @alvarex  @Keith00  @Legendary_Dork He started out HORRENDOUS last yr too, was like 5+to and shooting low 30%s, until the "Russ-sell" chant at the Mavericks game and him signing his extension

Koka_Da_Bauce
Koka_Da_Bauce 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

God dammit I really miss the beard.....I love you Harden, please come back to us

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts

 @Koka_Da_Bauce we lose this game even if we have harden. just saying.

Koka_Da_Bauce
Koka_Da_Bauce 5pts

 @Legendary_Dork It's not just about this game.  This team just doesn't feel special anymore without Harden.  You know it, I know it.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Legendary_Dork  @Koka_Da_Bauce It's not like this is the first game Russ has shot us out of or the defense has blown.

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts

 @Koka_Da_Bauce are you kidding me? they haven never looked happier to be honest. Kd is contributing more and Kmart is coming out guns blazing. 

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @Koka_Da_Bauce case in point

Aren't
Aren't 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Koka_Da_Bauce Martin played fantastic.

Koka_Da_Bauce
Koka_Da_Bauce 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Aren't I agree, and i like him a lot.  My comment is not a knock on martin.

Remify
Remify 5pts

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wuzumx04qukaqqs/IMAG1547.jpg

 

anyone jelly?

 

C-Wil
C-Wil 5pts

 @Remify COD sucks.

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

Harden trade has got some of ya ll emotionally fragile

As Promised
As Promised 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @OkcBaby I liked Harden, but the dude needs to work on his Defense and less on that beard.  KD is doing some crazy evolution in front of our eyes, and everyone be bitchin about Harden

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @thelaughingwiseman yes, he still changing his game.  And its the 3rd game.  

As Promised
As Promised 5pts

I don't think the Offense is the problem.  I think we need a Defensive Coach.  We had a very good one for one year and then he left for CHI

LPCes99
LPCes99 5pts

Just thought about it as I watched MWP hit a free throw...last year he said he doesn't shake a reserves hands....wonder what Harden would say to him now LOL...he has his own team now and MWP still sucks

tygablood
tygablood 5pts

Presti will trade Maynor while he still has some mystique about him

alvarex
alvarex 5pts

Brooks is a great personality manager.  But it's hard to evaluate his role on the team when Westbrook, Durant, and Ibaka are so obviously hard workers.  Maybe Brooks is like Doug Collins and the Bulls?  He was great early on, but that team needed new leadership to win it all.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @alvarex Doug Collins always makes his teams better and implements his systems. He burns out his players by being so anal about rotations and playcalling. Brooks a great players coach in that he doesn't ask them to do more than they are capable. It's questionable that he is actually good for the team since our defense has consistently been sub-par without Adams and our offense progression was exactly in line with personal development from KD-Russ-Harden, rather than any implementation of a great system.

alvarex
alvarex 5pts

I'd hate to see him go and the team do worse.  Under any other coach, I don't think Westbrook would be as good as he is.  Of course, some on here would probably think that as a plus.

As Promised
As Promised 5pts

 @alvarex I see him as a great motivational guy

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

replace brooks with about 15-20  other coaches and we are a better team

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @Lost Ones "our wins/losses has nothing to do with brooks" - Lost Ones, 1 minute ago. 

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts

 @Jooseppi  @Lost Ones Kevin Martin cant sub himself in. Its Brooks fault this time

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @Lost Ones Name them

S4TISF4CTION
S4TISF4CTION 5pts

 @ALL I WANT 4 MY BIRTHDAY IS A BIG BOOTY GUL  @Lost OnesGreg Popovich

Phil Jackson

Pat Riley

George Karl

Doc Rivers

Jerry Sloan

Rick Carlisle

Mike D’Antony

Flip Saunders 

Byron Scott 

Scott Skiles 

Rick Adelman 

Stan Van Gundy

Tom Thibodeau

Erik Spoelstra

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