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It’s time for the Thunder to beat a good team

by Michael Kimball on November 20, 2012 at 3:24 pm 443 Comments

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There’s no BCS in the NBA. Style points, momentum and how the media and coaches feel about certain teams have no effect on playoff seeding or title runs.

But it sure feels like the Thunder need a big win, doesn’t it? Probably because they haven’t had one yet.

In the Thunder’s eight wins so far this season, the team has beaten opponents with a collective record of 26-44. Only one of those teams, Golden State, currently has a winning record. OKC’s three losses, on the other hand, have come at the hands of teams with a collective record of 21-9.

Now, that’s going to happen in the NBA. I’m no statistics maven, but I understand that most teams are going to have a better record against teams with bad records than they do against teams with good records. Makes sense even to a journalism major (required math component: making sure your phone has a calculator).

But the Thunder have had a couple of opportunities to beat good teams, and they’ve whiffed on all of them so far. San Antonio was a close game, and the first one played with the new roster, but it was a loss. Atlanta is decent, and the Hawks beat OKC at home. Memphis came into the Peake for a supposed showdown and essentially had its way with the Thunder in the last three quarters. The Warriors are above .500, but playing without Andrew Bogut, and not expected to do much.

Enter the Clippers, who are playing as well as anyone in the Western Conference not named the Grizzlies. You could add the Spurs in that group, except that L.A. was last seen beating them in San Antonio. If you’re looking for the measuring-stick-of-the-moment, with the Grizzlies opportunity already missed for now, the Clippers are your team.

As pointed out in yesterday’s 3-on-3, the good news is that a lot of the issues that people thought would be the most troublesome for the Thunder have been put to rest, at least for the short term. Kevin Martin is integrated and team chemistry still seems strong. OKC has surpassed expectations defensively so far for the most part. Nagging issues like offensive rebounding remain, but every team has a few things that they don’t do well. Even the Heat and juggernauts of yesteryear like the Shaq Lakers and Jordan Bulls had a couple of small holes that had to be papered-over.

But at some point OKC needs to pile up a few wins against good teams just for a confidence perspective. While it’s true that most of this group has already learned to win together, there are important pieces who have not. Martin for one, but also a guy like Hasheem Thabeet. If you want to play into June, that’s enough games against enough elite teams that everyone is going to have to shine in big moments. Martin is someone who knows how to play in the NBA, but he’s never made a big shot at a big moment because there’s never been a big moment for him to have, unless you care about regular season heroics for a team that’s going nowhere. Thabeet’s biggest NBA moments have probably come in the Thunder’s 11 games so far this year, which tells you something.

That’s why that even with no BCS, it’s important for the Thunder to get a big win, and get one soon. Chemistry may be good now, but will there be issues in the future if Oklahoma City starts struggling to win close games against good teams? Don’t Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook and the other team leaders need to build trust with every pair of eyes they see in the timeout huddle before an important late possession?

It’s a long NBA season. There are plenty of teams that would love to trade for the Thunder’s “problems” and accompanying roster and 8-3 record. There are many examples of teams that didn’t get off to quite the start they wanted to, and then end up having great seasons. There are also many examples of teams that seem to be peaking late at just the right time, and it doesn’t work out. Like, for example, the Spurs, who were probably already fielding calls from jewelers with ring ideas, riding a 100-game winning streak or at least one that felt like that, but then got swept aside by OKC in four games.

The need for Oklahoma City to assert itself is nonetheless there. It’s part of what has made this team click in the past. Anything to add just a little bit of hop to the step of the players and begin to regain that small percentage of the Thunder swagger that still feels like it’s missing. This team used to have an aura that it built in a short time frame — the Thunder are athletic, nasty and active and play in front of a raucous home crowd, and you’re going to have your hands full. It seems like that’s just a weeeee bit off so far this year. Not by a lot, but by a little. It’s not quite the same level of swagger.

The Clippers present a good target in more ways than one. Remember when Blake Griffin made his debut in Oklahoma City, and Durant made some comments afterward about how OKC is Griffin’s town? It had a whiff of self-motivation on the part of KD, who was already clearly a more established player than the rookie. It didn’t matter that the crowd had given Griffin one round of solid applause when he was introduced, and then went right to booing the Clippers and rooting hard against him. KD was willing to manufacture a little bit of a slight to get himself motivated. And in subsequent games against the Clippers, who have oddly owned OKC even when they weren’t great, you can kind of sense that tension is still there.

Lots of people talk about the potential long-term rivals for the Thunder, and the Clippers more and more resemble a team that could fit that bill depending on what happens in free agency. They’re definitely one of the two flavors of the month in the Western Conference. They’re getting a little bit of the attention that the Thunder used to get. In the soap opera that is the NBA, these are the kinds of things that matter a little bit.

Sounds like a recipe for a strong Thunder performance. And it also sounds like there’s enough motivation for OKC that you’ll have to start wondering if the Thunder don’t come out and play competitively.

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criznazy53
criznazy53 5pts

I think Chris Paul really gives Westbrook issues on the Defensive end.

I can't think of any other PG he has more trouble with. Maybe Tony Parker.  What do you guys think?

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/11/wednesday-bolts-11-21-12/#comments

 

hse
hse 5pts

 @ThunderChick2010 This post is abt?

For Him
For Him 5pts

 @hse  @ThunderChick2010 Good Team! :)

DXL
DXL 5pts

Safe to say at this point, K-Mart's having a much better year than Harden:

 

K-Mart: 49% FG, 54% 3FG, 70% true shooting percentage, 22.75 PER

Harden: 43% FG, 29% 3FG, 56% true shooting percentage, 19.91 PER

 

Why was Presti so eager to pull the trigger on this deal? Reversion to mean: K-Mart's bounced back from a down year to play at an All-Star level, and Harden's looking human again after an inhumanly efficient year in 11-12.

 

Yes, All-Star. K-Mart has the 11th best PER of all players who've racked up at least 270 minutes this season (behind Lebron, Duncan, Bryant, Durant, Paul, Bosh, Brook Lopez, Howard, Melo, Varejao). 

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @DXL probably should copy paste in bolts

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

So...who else is the only one in their office today?

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @anonymous12345 Nope. I wish though.

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

Excluding their rookies years, Kd's worst statistical season is terms of shooting %'s, is as good as Kobe's best season

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

opps, strike this season too in the comparison, because its to early and neither will keep up these %'s

C-Wil
C-Wil 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

"Jack Taylor should learn to pass"

 

-Kobe

Thunder S
Thunder S 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

"Jack Taylor is stealing shots from Kevin Durant" - skip bayless

OKman
OKman 5pts

 @Thunder S The dude should be in some kind of endurance sport. I can't even imagine how tiring it would be to hoist up 108 shots, much less have 71 of them be behind the arc

KellOne
KellOne 5pts

 @OKman  @Thunder S Russell will take that challenge!

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I love that Jerry Stackhouse keeps sneaking on to teams. 

Watson
Watson 5pts

Zach Lowe has been writing some great basketball articles for Grantland. Something else completely irrelevant to midwest sports fans: Immensely happy to watch UNC lose tonight. Their troll of a fanbase was talking s**t about NCSU losing by double digits to an unranked team Sunday (consequently more relevant to OSU sports fans).  

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

Funny thing about that kid that broke the ncaa record. That school is in Iowa and I actually got recruited to run cross-country there.

Stringer Bell
Stringer Bell 5pts

 @bmuelle21 It could of been you!

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Who about Butler upsetting UNC? My mom must be in heaven right now with her two teams putting up big upsets this week lol

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @bmuelle21 meaningless regular season game at the invitation  

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @Lost Ones meaningless game...but yet I guarantee come tourney time when they are doing the resume's of each team, that will be one of the big wins on their resume...

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @bmuelle21 and butlers good anyway not a upset

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @Lost Ones yea, they sure look good when the got beat by xavier...

shiki
shiki 5pts

12-34 from d-will and uncle joe

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Hasheem Thabinks
Hasheem Thabinks 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @MisterJohnsonOKC Well the Refs need to give them more when dwight is missing half

ThunderCityUsa
ThunderCityUsa 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@jdstorm @MisterJohnsonOKC they kept hacking howard when they were up 6

Hasheem Thabinks
Hasheem Thabinks 5pts

 @ThunderCityUsa  @jdstorm  @MisterJohnsonOKC Which is a great idea, until LA gives Kobe and nash the ball in the bonus, without having to take any punishment getting there

supreme35
supreme35 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

How was that a foul? Oh wait it wasn't.

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supreme35
supreme35 5pts

 @MisterJohnsonOKC Typical.

Tequila or Failure
Tequila or Failure 5pts

So is Royce scaling down his contributions to this site?

supreme35
supreme35 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Tequila or Failure out of town.

Tequila or Failure
Tequila or Failure 5pts

@supreme35 w/o mrs daily Thunder who posted today's bolt's so presumably not a vacation. Death in the family,,, job interview??

supreme35
supreme35 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Tequila or Failure  @supreme35 lol if you say so.

Tequila or Failure
Tequila or Failure 5pts

@supreme35 Something fishy is going on here.

supreme35
supreme35 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Tequila or Failure  @supreme35 Heard something about hiking. Idk.

OohWeeItsVelvetHoop
OohWeeItsVelvetHoop 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

i bet russ right now is all like: "hey, this kid scored 138 points. i should try this tomorrow!"

Hasheem Thabinks
Hasheem Thabinks 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OohWeeItsVelvetHoop If only KD was wired like that

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @OohWeeItsVelvetHoop *crickets*

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

Lopez having a solid game againt Dwight Schrute

Jeremy2
Jeremy2 5pts

 @Lambchop  gasol was on lopez most of the time while humpries was on dwight

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 Gerald Wallace is awesome.

Hasheem Thabinks
Hasheem Thabinks 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

Not that Anyone cares, But in 2k13 Lamb just fouled kobe and he had to be carried off

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

 @jdstorm Thats almost better than winning a championship.  I love Lamb

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

Again, watch: Kennygee will not speak until the Lakers are up by 10 

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

Which might not occur for a few games

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Die Lakers

Tequila or Failure
Tequila or Failure 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Watching some of the Indiana game, scouting for our Toronto pick, & am not overly impressed w/Zeller. He moves pretty well for his size & you can tell he's bball savvy, but doesn't seem to play up to his size & lacks quick twitch athleticism per the norm for large white guys.

Nicky Scarfo
Nicky Scarfo 5pts

 @Tequila or Failure No more Big white guys for Presti...been there, done that...rofl

tygablood
tygablood 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Tequila or Failure no white Americans picked with our raps pick please...white Americans are almost always busts

AlexR44
AlexR44 5pts

Agreed. If he were slotted to be picked in the middle of the lottery (7-12), he'd be a steal. But in the first couple of picks, he seems to have high bust potential written all over him. And not a bust in the fact that he can't play. But bust in in the fact that he'll be a good pro, but not an overly great pro.

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