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How would you describe Kevin Martin’s shot?
One writer said it looked like an elephant raising its trunk. I called it the Hilary Swank of jumpers — neither pretty nor ugly. Someone else said it was like Jim Furyk’s golf swing.
However you want to label it, one thing’s for sure: It’s not normal. It’s a sidewinding push shot that looks more like something you’d see from a rec league game and not the NBA.
But if it works, it works. And for Martin, it works.
For his career, he’s averaged 18.4 points per game on solid percentages. He’s had massive games, including 45 points on just 18 shots, 50 on 22 or even 32 in a single half. Martin is probably the poster child for scoring efficient in the league, a guy that understands a good shot as well as anyone, a player that plays within the flow of the game. And a guy that can completely fill it up, all with that funky motion.
So how did that technique start?
“I don’t really know,” Martin said. “I just started out at a younger age shooting the ball. I was playing with a lot of older people when I was little so I couldn’t go inside so I had to stay all the way on the outside, probably at about 65 pounds then, so I had to throw the ball up there pretty hard. So it probably just came from there.”
As you might assume, a lot of coaches tried to mess with Martin’s form. “About a hundred of them. And about a hundred of them failed,” he said. “It’s just about repetition and doing something the same way and you’ll get good at it.”
That repetition idea came from one coach Martin’s worked a lot with, David Thorpe. Thorpe, a regular contributor to ESPN.com as well as the executive director of the Pro Training Center in Clearwater, FL, has worked with Martin for years and wasn’t one of the hundred that tried to mess with him. Instead, the plan was just to perfect it.
“With Kevin, we looked at him and just said, ‘it’s how you’re built young man and it’s how you’ve always shot and to blow that up is to not understand shooting.’ It’s something you don’t do,” Thorpe said by phone. “If you’ve got a big thing of clay, you can tear everything off and rip it apart and build or you can shape it. And I’ve always been a shaper.”
Said Martin: “It’s just all about repetition. You do that form so many times and you’ll get used to it. [Thorpe's] biggest thing is the ending point. My ending point looks like everybody else’s. It’s just the beginning that throws the people off a little bit.”
When the Thunder made the trade moving James Harden to Houston primarily in exchange for Martin, two thoughts ran through most Thunder fans’ minds: a) Oh crap, we lost James Harden and b) we replaced him with the guy who has the funky shot? And it seems that after four games where it’s obvious that Martin can not only play, but fit exceptionally well with Durant and Westbrook, moving on from that initial shock of losing Harden is starting to disappear.
That was really the shame in the trade. Everyone, myself included, completely undersold Kevin Martin. It was entirely about losing Harden and less about acquiring Martin. For a lot of reasons, rightfully so, but at the same time, it’s not like the Thunder brought in some scrub. They brought in maybe the most efficient scoring guard in the league who has been trying to carry offenses on his own the last six years and paired with the two best players he’s ever played with. The sample size is small, but Martin’s knocking down 51 percent from the field and better than 60 percent from 3.
“Part of it is he’s less guarded than he’s been the last seven years of his career. I’ve never seen him this open,” Thorpe said. “He’s really good at throwing the ball in, especially when he has the space and time because he’s playing with Westbrook and Durant.”
One theory I had with Martin is that because of his low release point, it causes him to have more space than the regular player, meaning he doesn’t have the luxury of forcing fadeaway jumpers in traffic. He needs the space to shoot so by default, he’s almost always taking clean, open shots. Thorpe didn’t really buy that.
“He shoots over guys all the time,” Thorpe said. “Because he’s 6-foot-7.”
Oh yeah.
It’s easy to forget Martin’s size because he’s not really a high-flying player that explodes in the lane. He’s an extremely cerebral scorer that works angles and reads defenders. Thorpe said that Martin “understands angles, maybe better than anyone in the league.” And it’s obvious. Because he’s unorthodox, he’s been forced to play the game as much in his mind as with his skill. But in the end, it always comes back to talent. If Martin didn’t have ample amounts of it, it wouldn’t matter if his form was perfect.
OK, so he can score. But the book on Martin has always been able to fill it up, but he only plays on one end. He’s always been regarded as a poor defender. Reputations often carry more weight than actual facts, but sonsider this: Martin held opposing shooting guards to an anemic 12.4 PER last season, according to 82games.com. Part of the issue with Martin is that he’s been the primary scorer on mediocre teams meaning he has to avoid foul trouble at all costs, lest his team be screwed offensively as well as saving something for the offensive end. He’s never had a back end defender like Serge Ibaka to help him either. And he’s never been playing on a team where defense really matters because there’s a bigger goal in mind.
“He’s really playing inspired defense again, is what I’m seeing,” Thorpe said. “It’s easier to do when you’re playing for something bigger.”
Martin has never been on a team this good, never been part of a group that has a chance to hang a banner. He’s been wanting this type of opportunity for a while and is absolutely relishing his time with the Thunder. He’s not a household name kind of player and while he’s obviously been respected as a great scorer throughout the league, because of his seasons sitting in mostly mediocrity, he didn’t warrant much attention. Now he has a chance to show off his game and shine on a good team.
As the aftershocks of the trade begin to wear off and the Thunder put more games under their belt, the appreciation for what Martin brings is only going to grow. He’s a player that Westbrook and Durant have never had. Yeah, he doesn’t do a lot of the things Harden did. But where he lacks in some areas, in others he brings more to the table than Harden. He’s a better shooter, a more efficient scorer, moves wonderfully off the ball and in some ways, is a better fit alongside Westbrook and Durant, assuming they continue their evolutions as creators.
When you give Martin the ball, you know you might get it back. It’s only been four games and it’s obvious that Westbrook and Durant trust him immensely, almost to a fault. There have been possessions that KD has sought Martin out, trying to figure out a way to get him a good look. Against the Hawks when Martin was cooking, the Thunder didn’t find him enough. But that’s part of the process. That was only game three together.
Still, questions remain about OKC’s crunchtime offense without Harden and the worries that come with putting more ball-handling responsibility on Westbrook and Durant. Martin is a better pick-and-roll player than people give him credit for, but he’s not nearly the playmaker Harden is.
But he knows how to throw it in, which is what counts. Even if it looks kind of weird.





Ha, Im still grinning over the Laker loss
Does that NY Magazine article come out Sunday?
http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/11/thursday-bolts-11-8-12/
The new Unis are up on the Thunder facebook site
@Lambchop http://tinyurl.com/c89w6uc
Remember that time that Thabeet stole a pass at the top of the arc, and looked to have a breakaway dunk? And then he tripped on his own feet and the ball went out of bounds? That was cute as f***. I love Thabeet.
http://blog.newsok.com/thunderrumblings/2012/11/08/thunder-reveals-alternate-uniform/
@okcjim KD looks even skinnier with those uniforms http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/544943_10151138743463995_879644204_n.jpg
@okcjim I'm going to the game v. Lakers on Jan 27th. I love wearing matching Jerseys with my team so I guess I'm going to have to buy it.
KMart? Thabeet? PJIII? I'm trying to show support to one of the new guys
@okcjim Looks a little grade school to me, just 2 colors and a simple design
@okcjim Aww no Thudner
@AIaska @okcjim Don't HATE them, but certainly don't love them. I wanted an alt-uniform that people would actually want to buy and wear---but the uneven/unbalanced design is not appealing. I would never buy this uniform. I'm okay with the colors. But should have had an "OKC" theme.
@AIaska @okcjim Simple like Brooklyn... except...thats how our real uniforms look.
Maybe the alternates for Brooklyn will be the mesh uniforms we used in junior high... or just like...BLANK.
Maybe the tee-shirts we got during out door tournaments?
Beardsanity starting to come back to reality.....
38 minutes, 5-15f fg, 3 rebounds, 6 turnovers, -6.
Did anyone else read Rohde's piece on the Harden negotiations? It left me feeling a bit ambiguous about James.
@El Prez He made it sound like James didn't really want to think about the huge decision of signing the extension all summer and Presti had to make a move if James wasn't going to, which makes some sense. I think if James wanted to buy more time he should have thrown back a number between 54 and 60 to show he was interested in negotiating.
@KellOne @El Prez correct...
A big part of negotiating...is ...negotiating..
LOL there was none.
@f5alcon Or won, depending on how you look at it.
@f5alcon @THE SPORTS OPRAH "The hardest part of playing Chicken is knowing when to flinch."
@THE SPORTS OPRAH Yeah, "I want max and wont budge" is not a negotiation, he tried to bluff Presti and lost.
@El Prez Read it. Still can't buy Rhode's 2 cents. Too many ra-ra types who toe the company line with the local media.
Yeah--I know and I agree. But I know who Tramel's source was in his 'devasted story' (off the record) so there's still a part of me which is a bit confused as to what James really intended to happen throughout all of this.
@Jax Raging Bile Duct @El Prez Link us!
I heard harden was mad they gave him only 1 hour to think about it. How about you had all summer. I'm no fool.
@THE SPORTS OPRAH that is what the article says, he had all summer.
been up all night reading.... I need my Thursday Bolts ASAP!
@SoCal Thunder I'm guessing you thoroughly enjoyed the game last night
@Barry Amenema It was a fun game with all the crazy alley-oops but I can't be away from the books that long, I paid for it last night.
btw, I was THAT crazy fan reading during half-time besides going to get a beer/bathroom break
@ThunderChick2010 @Barry Amenema no beer :( I can only drink alcohol on Fridays lol #ThatLawSchoolLife
@SoCal Thunder @Barry Amenema
So now I'm picturing you sitting there in the stall . . . beer in one hand and textbook in the other. :)
@Barry Amenema act of desperation probably, it wasn't to bad reviewed couple cases, nothing big due until next Tuesday. Yup, USC Law :D My dream come true
@SoCal Thunder your powers of concentration are much better than mine...or was it more an act of desperation...Law school, right?
@Barry Amenema ohhh no I wasn't on the screen or anything, I just meant I was reading during half time. I used to make fun of people that brought books to sporting events, now I understand why
@SoCal Thundervideo link?
My mother brought up a good comparison: " Thabeet's early PT reminds me of Serge's early PT, fouling out quickly but showing as a good prospect. Needs to learn self control and footing. "
I think she was spot on. I forgot how much serge used to foul out.
@PerkPunt Cool. We need another guy who doesn't understand ball movement or PnR defense.
@Jax Raging Bile Duct
Debbie downer .... yes we need another big who can stay on the court and become a very good defensive prospect. More than half the bigs in the league struggle with that. If we can get half of Serge from this investment I'd consider this a HUGE win. You must be smoking that " kill a good mood" stuff. lol
I am Jax's pessimistic word vomit.
@PerkPunt Nah man. If Thabust becomes a half-Serge, then he'll be a good backup player.
@PerkPunt It's a good point but Serge never fouled as much as Thabeet is right now.
@justin_mia
yeah Thabeet is on another level. Hopefully they can help Thabeet at the same rate they did serge. That would increase his playability (is this a word?) more. If i had metrics and time I'd calculate the ratio.
@PerkPunt Fair point. But Serge was, like, 20. Thabeet is 25 and played 3 years of Big East basketball. That said, I like Hasheem and his super awesome head-spot. And I have all sorts of homer-hope for his future as an okay-basketball player.
@ALL I WANT 4 MY BIRTHDAY IS A BIG BOOTY GUL i sing the chorus of this song everytime i read your damn Username.
@PerkPunt When He die, bury him, next to twoooo.....
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/3406353.Justin_Halpern
@slimjimzv
“The worst thing you can be is a liar. . . . Okay, fine, yes, the worst thing you can be is a Nazi, but then number two is liar. Nazi one, liar two.” ― Justin Halpern
That Tim Tebow thing Halpern put together reminded me how much I loved his book. Seriously awesome stuff in there.
@slimjimzv
i think i need to read one of these books.
Wish we could'v gotten a player of Martins caliber last year instead of Fisher
Why can't we all agree that summer league and preseason do not equal in season success?
Ok ok okay.
If we resign K-Mart for say 26/3 , get a top ten pick and trade that 2nd rounder for cash. Would it be safe to say we won the draft no matter how the pick turns out or what Harden averages on a team not making the playoffs?
@PerkPunt No. It depends on how we draft with the pick and how Jeremy Lamb pans out.
@justin_mia
I dont have much faith in the growth of Jeremy Lamb this year.
@PerkPunt @justin_mia
It's early. There is still a chance he'll get some good pt. I can see why you wouldn't think they would though.
@okcjim @justin_mia
I dont think Martin is the deciding factor. I think he helps but it ultimately comoes down to the draft pick for me. It if becomes another great prospect a la lamb and Pj3 then i see it as a success. If we dont get the pick this yeat then i see a fail. Presti is looking for the future of the team. That is the culture , future growth.
Brooks will not play lamb at all this year unless thabo or Martin gets hurt. I hope neither does.
I look at this as a two part trade:
Harden for Martin and two 1st round picks.
Cole, Lazar, Cook (salary dump) for Lamb and 2nd.
@okcjim @PerkPunt @justin_mia With brooks he might not playing time no matter how good, look at serge, we had to trade green for him to get a starting job.
@PerkPunt @justin_mia
We're 4 games in and he's been here for 2 weeks. If he's as talented as we think he is he'll stand out and get pt. I hope PJ3 and Lamb both don't get discouraged and continue to work hard to get better.
I disagree with Justin on this deal. If Martin plays like he has so far with the first group, the 2nd unit improves (as it should with more time) and we can sign him for 8-10 million, that alone is a win for the Thunder in this trade. No matter what happens with the draft picks and Lamb. How far we get in the playoffs will ultimately probably be the deciding factor. But so far so good for Martin. The 2 losses have not been on him. It's still early though.
@PerkPunt @f5alcon You can judge it if you're willing to assign future value to Jeremy Lamb and the pick. It's just not as certain.
@PerkPunt Being TMZ, ESPN is just sports gossip. I would give lamb until his 3rd year, and see if he takes the 3rd year performance leap.
@f5alcon
SO it sounds like we cant judge this trade for at least two year?!? .... WTF? is ESPN doing then?
@PerkPunt I don't think he meant just this year, but overall.
@justin_mia @PerkPunt Is Lamb awake or asleep? That alone determines if he pans out or not.