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OKC somehow scraps to a win in Detroit, 92-90

by Royce Young on November 12, 2012 at 10:16 pm 256 Comments

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With the Thunder completely going through the motions in Detroit, about to drop one heckuva an ugly game to the 0-7 Pistons, Oklahoma City needed a spark. Trailing by 11 headed to the fourth, it almost looked like the Thunder were comfortable with dropping this one. One guy most certainly wasn’t. Not today. Not on his birthday.

If you’re a Thunder fan, you know. You get it. While those around you are trying to burn Russell Westbrook down, blasting him for stupid shots and reckless plays, you just shake your head. Sure, Westbrook frustrates you too, but there’s a reason he’s one of the most endearing players on the roster.

Because he doesn’t quit. He doesn’t quit coming. He doesn’t quit competing. He can play three quarters of senseless basketball but show up absolutely massive when it counts.

Because he does not quit.

Westbrook scored 14 of his 33 points in the fourth, hitting all four of his shots. His ridiculous playground move on Brandon Knight was the play of the night, but his most impactful play in securing the win was probably his offensive rebound with 12 seconds left. Classic Westbrook. All the way around. He shot just 11-25, missed a bunch of looks at the rim, forced some headscratchers and seemed to be out of control. But he didn’t turn it over (only two, both in the fourth) and most importantly, wouldn’t say die.

Something changed in the Thunder heading into the fourth. Not only did Westbrook quit sucking, but the energy picked up, the effort on the defensive end was intense and there was a sense of urgency that was lacking the first three quarters. Part of it was a simple lineup adjustment. After making some seriously weird decisions, Scott Brooks went small the entire fourth with Westbrook, Kevin Martin, Thabo, KD and Serge Ibaka. Offensive-minded, but that group held Detroit without a bucket the first four and half minutes of the fourth, forcing nine straight missed shots to start the fourth as Westbrook and Durant sparked a 13-0 run to dig OKC out of its hole.

The Thunder deserve most of the credit, but you can’t overlook how dumb the Pistons played the first few minutes of the fourth either. Detroit was running the basketball equivalent of three straight runs and a punt. They were trying to drain the 24 down and take a shot, but couldn’t get any clean looks and when they did, the Thunder swatted them away.

Even still, it looked like the Thunder might spoil a great comeback effort and come away empty-handed anyway. The Pistons went up 83-81 with 3:12 left after a Knight 3 and held an 85-84 lead with 1:20 left. But Thabo knocked down two free throws, the Thunder came up with a big stop on a three-second call on Greg Monroe which opened the door for Durant to put things on ice with a tough baseline runner.

On paper, no, you shouldn’t be impressed with the Thunder beating an 0-7 team by two. But in reality, this was a pretty fantastic win. Second of a back-to-back, fourth in five days and a pretty terrible performance all the way around. OKC shot only 37 percent from the floor, Durant and Westbrook combined to go 19-47 from the field, Martin only hit 2-8 for 13 points and they only hit one 3 as a team. And they only appeared to care for one quarter.

But they won. Somehow, they won.

NOTES:

  • I think OKC’s fourth quarter lineup is going to become their primary crunchtime playoff lineup: Westbrook, Martin, Thabo, Durant and Ibaka. As long as they can rebound, which they struggled to do at times tonight, I think they can defend well enough to get by. It worked tonight as they switched every pick-and-roll because there’s a ton of versatility. Unless someone can break OKC down with a specific matchup, it seems like it should work.
  • Brooks nearly messed up pretty big time by not putting Martin in until four minutes left in the third. The Thunder offense was completely stalled, the team was flat and yet Brook was just sticking with that starting five. He got away with it, but it still probably wasn’t a wise choice.
  • KD just didn’t look all that into the game to me for most of it. But then again, he played 44 minutes on the second night of a back-to-back, grabbed nine rebounds, scored 26, had four blocks and played some really good defense late. So I guess he was more into it than I thought.
  • The Thunder have had 20 assists in every game so far this season. They only had 10 tonight. But then again, it’s kind of hard to get assists when nobody makes a shot.
  • OKC won this game at the free throw line: 37-42 from the stripe.
  • There were multiple times early in the game that Durant seemed frustrated with Thabo either about not shooting or not doing… something.
  • Another very solid defensive effort. Just 39.8 percent shooting shooting for Detroit, and a fifth straight game with an opponent under 95 points.
  • It’s truly kind of amazing how many short looks Westbrook misses. He’s only shooting just over 50 percent at the rim this season. That’s pretty terrible.
  • Serge Ibaka played one of the best defensive games I can remember. He didn’t rebound that well, but in anchoring the paint, he completely sealed the Pistons out. He finished with six blocks (13 the last two games), but it was just the swats. Nothing was there for Detroit inside in the fourth quarter.
  • This block by KD on Brandon Knight. I don’t know if there was any air left in the ball after it.
  • I wouldn’t say Martin was frozen out in the fourth quarter, but the Thunder definitely weren’t looking for him. He just took one shot as it became the Westbrook-Durant show. For good reason, but it’s not like the Thunder ran anything to get Martin involved scoring.
  • The World of Westbrook is a wild place. I think we can all agree he played mostly terrible until the fourth quarter, yet he didn’t have a single turnover for most of the game. Contrast that to last night where he played terrifically, but turned it over eight times.
  • Jeremy Lamb saw three minutes in the second quarter and here’s my impression of his time: Yep, he’s definitely a rookie. He was lost in defensive rotations, threw a really lazy post entry pass that resulted in a turnover and made little to no impact. But it was great to see him get some minutes because he had to get those out of the way at some point.
  • Subbing in Lamb completely killed OKC’s rhythm and absolutely had an impact as the Pistons went on a big run, but the Thunder should be good enough to recover from that. And that’s what Scott Brooks expected, rightfully so.
  • Kevin Martin is one of the smartest players I’ve ever watched. His pacing and understanding of angles, pressure and contact is incredible.
  • Brian Davis Line of the Night: “HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME.”

Next up: Big one Wednesday at home against the Grizzlies.

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cdub00
cdub00 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

sometimes i feel like im on an OU board as much as peeps complain about a WIN!! lighten up. lol

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/11/tuesday-bolts-11-13-12/

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ou_sas Lezzgo!

Air Bud
Air Bud 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Harden has now refused to talk to the media 3 times after having bad nights with the Rockets.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

 @Skyline he didn't even play that poorly yesterday

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

I think Kmart is Harden, 5  years from now.  Someone who is so glad to actually be on a serious contender that it makes personal stuff irrelevant.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts

 @TaoMaas Exactly.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Skyline

 he is depressed IMO. Why else would he be partying like crazy?

Air Bud
Air Bud 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @PerkPunt "Why else would he be partying like crazy?"...... I can think of 85 Million reasons.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Skyline

 i forgot the sarcasm font.

D@nny
D@nny 5pts

I wonder if Russ through that ball hard enough to kind-of hurt Knight's balls. I hope so because that'd be the most funny.

D@nny
D@nny 5pts

And hey, did that play make SC Top-10???

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts

As of right now, we have two guaranteed 2013 picks, a likely third, and a possible fourth. We have 14 men on the roster right now. Makes me think Presti is going to make a move at the deadline or at the draft in order to consolidate some assets.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @FreeFezzyFel/Shabazz+KyleAnderson2013

 our first and the bobcat's 2nd rounder/  Tor's 1st  and Dallas' first?

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts

 @PerkPunt Correct

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts

Also, with the amount of youth potential being added to the team the last few months and next year, it wouldn't surprise if me players like Maynor or Thabo were let go unless they took super cap friendly deals.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @FreeFezzyFel/Shabazz+KyleAnderson2013

 thabo has a super cap friendly deal. I expect him to take another 9/3 deal

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @PerkPunt  @FreeFezzyFel/Shabazz+KyleAnderson2013  @f5alcon If it's for a similar deal as the last one and he plays out the rest of his contract at the same level of defense he played last season and this season so far without horrific injuries, then yes. He's still a good player and can play in either wing spot. 

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @Jooseppi  @FreeFezzyFel/Shabazz+KyleAnderson2013  @f5alcon

 would we want to extend Thabo? with Lamb and potentially Martin extended?

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @FreeFezzyFel/Shabazz+KyleAnderson2013  @f5alcon If he really wanted to he might be able to find a $4.5 million deal but players like him tend to be appropriately paid. Tony Allen is making a little over $3 million. Ronnie Brewer is on a minimum deal. The Thunder will be able to extend him for about what he got on his last deal, which is fair. 

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @FreeFezzyFel/Shabazz+KyleAnderson2013  @f5alcon

 Yes, becuase he is a starter now. In CHI he wasnt. Rarely got mins if i recall.  i think Thabo could earn more. But i doubt  he goes for the money unless someone throws a full mle  type contract at him.

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @f5alcon What I'm trying to say is that I think his value has risen since then. I'm not saying he wouldn't take less money, but he'd be able to earn more.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @FreeFezzyFel/Shabazz+KyleAnderson2013

 i dont think that will be his last contract anyways.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @FreeFezzyFel/Shabazz+KyleAnderson2013  he could have earned more on his last one as well.

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @PerkPunt I would imagine he could earn more than that if he wanted too

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

 @FreeFezzyFel/Shabazz+KyleAnderson2013 thabo still has next year on his current deal

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts

 @f5alcon I know, I'm saying that at the end of his contract.

DXL
DXL 5pts

Toronto now 1-6, the 3rd worst record in the league. The OKC pick could easily end up being 4th to 8th. And, conveniently, 2013 looks to have one of the best groups of centers we've seen in a while.

 

The Anthony Davis clones (super skinny, super long, skilled): Nerlens Noel and Isaiah Austin.

 

The Frenchman: Rudy Gobert (let's hope he turns out better than Alexis Ajinca or Ian Mahinmi).

 

The Ukrainian Valanciunus: Alex Len, who just outplayed Noel.

 

The More Talented Little Brother: Cody Zeller, brother of Tyler.

 

Of the power forwards James McAdoo and Tony Mitchell look intriguing. It's a good draft to have a high lottery pick.

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts

 @DXL Hopefully, one of the following will be available when we pick

 

Shabazz, Gobert, or Noel.

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

The Bad Boys of Detroit would have beat our ass if we got chippy, according to the fat sideline reporter for FSDetroit.

 

#sidelinereportingisforsexyfemales

Thunderman
Thunderman 5pts

Wow! That's crazy!

Zach99
Zach99 5pts

Quote from Justin:  "Starters now -12 in 140 minutes.  Playing about 41% of total minutes so far."

 

If you extend those numbers out to 48 minutes you are looking at a +/- per 48 of about -4.5. 

 

Am I the only one who finds this totally unacceptable?  We are 8 games into the season and we are 6-2.  Our overall team +/- is about +7 per 48.  There are plenty of line-up combinations for this team that work and there is just no excuse anymore for devoting over 40% of total minutes to a line-up that does not.  It is time for the starting line-up to change. 

 

Real coaches can stagger rotations so that they can maximize the time that their best players can play together without totally killing their second unit.  It is time to make this happen.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Zach99 Make it happen, Coach Zach99.  Oh wait...

 

Sorry to be a smart-arse, but what the Thunder does with its lineups makes them one of the best teams in the conference.  Maybe in spite of the lineups.  Scotty isn't likely to change anytime soon, unless forced by trades.

Zach99
Zach99 5pts

I really hate this argument.  We win a lot of games so don't change anything. 

 

Look at the numbers.  Do they look right to you?  Our starting line-up is over 11 points per game worse than our average line-up.

 

I'm no coach, but I have eyes and I can see that the starting line-up does not play well together.  These numbers back that up. 

Zach99
Zach99 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I would either start Collison for Perk or Martin for Thabo.  I would then proceed to never, ever, ever play Thabo and Perk together.  Ever.

twistdov
twistdov 5pts

 @Zach99 Okay, what would you change?

Zach99
Zach99 5pts

And what exactly are we trying with out starting line-up?  We've had the same one for over a year and a half now.  It doesn't work.  Other line-ups do. 

 

I am just using stats to back up what my eyes tell me about the starting line-up forever.

 

I agree with you about one thing though.  Now is the time to "try stuff"...like a new starting line-up.

twistdov
twistdov 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Zach99 But the coaches have a team to engineer, develop, coach, appease, etc. and all the other human factors that go into it.

 

We are two weeks into the season. Now is the time to "try stuff". Stats are anecdotal at this point.

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

You just know Darnell thought he was clever with this one, "Not once did I see a coach or a player try to slow Westbrook down in the first quarter. It was as if everybody knew it was his birthday and he was going to chuck if he wanted to."

KellOne
KellOne 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @cemitten Everyday is Russ's birthday!!

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Darnell wants thunder fans to be more like Detroit fans.  Instead of cheering he wants hecklers. Instead of packed houses he wants 3000 in attendance so everyone can hear the hecklers. What a goofball

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @cemitten 

I heard Brian Davis comment last night that the announcer sounds REALLY loud in a half-empty arena.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts

 @Gyella  @ThunderChick2010  @cemitten I agree. I think that's fine for Rucker Park and KD's charity games.  I liked it then, but I don't want that for an actual NBA game.  Seems amateurish.

Gyella
Gyella 5pts

 @ThunderChick2010  @cemitten The announcer reminded me of one of those And-1 douchebags that follows the players around on the court screaming at the top of his lungs into a mic.

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Tronchaser  @ThunderChick2010 AHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHH ITS PENTALTY TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010  @cemitten Streetball announcer.. blech.

osanowhoa
osanowhoa 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

I am hyped. Darnell Mayberry quoted my tweet and used the Wolverine nick name for Westbrook last night. Finally my plans are coming to fruition.

MrRaysian
MrRaysian 5pts

so it's rather we turn it over 20+ times and shoot 55%+ from the field or we turn it over much less but shoot <40% from the field. Which game would u rather watch?

YoniFromIsrael
YoniFromIsrael 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

I know it's not relevant to us but I was watching the Houston Miami highlights and the Jermey Lin Three point airball at the end was so painful to watch. You know the painful im talking about, When its so painful that you cant look at the guy afterward's cause youre so embarresed for him even though your in the room by yourself kinf of painful.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Holy cow, just saw we shot 37% last night and went 1-10 from 3. Pretty incredible we pulled that win off.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @BallSoHard

That's Thunder basketball.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @ThunderChick2010  @BallSoHard ...that right there says it all.  We just shake our heads and move on to the next one.  Never know which guys will show up and what they'll do.

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