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OKC’s bench gets worked in Boston, 108-100

by Royce Young on November 23, 2012 at 9:50 pm 345 Comments

BOX SCORE

Thirty-five to thirteen. That’s really what Friday’s game in Boston came down to.

Boston’s bench 35 points. Oklahoma City’s, 13.

If you’re perusing the box score, that’s probably the stat you circle first in red ink. But naturally, it’s not only as simple as that. Because despite the porous output from the reserves, Kevin Durant had a pretty good look from 3 to knot the game with a little over a minute left. It was one of those standard Thunder comebacks where they just start flying around and out-talenting the other team. Russell Westbrook and Durant got to work, Scott Brooks finally seemed to get a handle on his lineups and the Thunder made a strong push.

In the end, too much Paul Pierce, not enough magic from Westbrook and Durant.

Back to the bench though, because that was the story of this game. And it starts with Kevin Martin’s terrible game. Martin’s line: 1-of-7, three points. And not a single attempted shot in the second half. How does this happen? You have one of the premier scorers in the league and he gets frozen out. That’s part on Martin, part on Brooks and a lot on Westbrook. For instance, near the end of the second quarter with Martin struggling a bit to find his shot, Westbrook knifed into the paint forcing defenders to collapse all over him. Martin stood entirely alone, within sight, on the 3-point line to Westbrook’s left. Instead, Russ put up a decent 10-foot look in the paint, which he made. Two points, high fives, yay.

But you could see the body language from Martin after Westbrook released it. He went from having his hands up ready to receive a pass to immediately dropping them to his sides. He resisted shaking his head, probably because Westbrook’s shot went in. Now, don’t misunderstand: Russell Westbrook played a very good game. Competed his butt off, put up nice numbers and if a Durant 3 drops — a shot I take every single day — there’s probably a little different perspective on this result. But at the same time, not utilizing your best pieces just isn’t acceptable because it means you’re not at your full effectiveness.

In fact, here’s how rough it was for Martin: Scott Brooks went to his best lineup with eight minutes left and the Celtics up 12. But with Westbrook, Martin, Sefolosha, Durant and Ibaka on the floor, the Thunder got it down to six. That was largely due to Westbrook and Durant though. I’m not joking: I don’t think Martin touched the ball for the three minutes that group was out there. The Celtics pushed it back to 10 and Brooks saw the same thing I did: If you’re not going to involve Martin at all, why play him? Put another big on the floor and just live off of Westbrook and Durant.

Brooks substituted Perk for Martin, the Thunder defended the paint, got buckets from their two stars and had a shot. Like I said, if OKC wins the game you can ignore the questionable lineup choices and the terrible secondary production and chalk it up to Westbrook and Durant saving the day. But even with a win it’s obvious: That’s not at all a winning formula. The Thunder play their best and are close to unstoppable offensively when the ball gets distributed equally amongst their best parts. That doesn’t mean Durant, Westbrook, Martin and Ibaka each have 25. It just means all the parts are functioning within the offense and a legitimate threat possession to possession.

And when you have an involved Martin, it means you have a sturdier bench. Because right now, the second unit is a legit concern. It’s impossible to watch the struggles of the reserves tonight and not see the need for help. Could that be in the form of trying to unchain Perry Jones III or Jeremy Lamb from the bench? Probably not. How about Reggie Jackson who has some solid playmaking skill? Eh. Maybe a deadline deal for an extra creator/scorer? Possibly.

Whatever it is, the Thunder second unit needs some firepower. James Harden hid all these issues because of his dynamic offensive skillset. There was a certain expectation that Eric Maynor could carry some of that burden, but it’s a little unreasonable to expect that from him, especially when he’s only getting 12-15 minutes a game.

It’s funny though, the highs and lows. Coming off Wednesday’s much-needed signature win over the Clippers, things felt much more normalized and a whole lot better than they’ve ever been for this team. Now? I’m already wondering about a deadline trade and griping about Westbrook. That’s just how it goes. Good thing they play again in 24 hours.

NOTES:

  • OKC’s closeouts on Paul Pierce were embarrassingly bad tonight. The Thunder consistently fell asleep or lazily contested as Pierce just punished them from outside. Pierce was spectacular, no doubt, but he can make open looks when he doesn’t have a hand in his face.
  • Ibaka with a second consecutive double-double. Longest streak in his career is three.
  • Rajon Rondo with his 36th consecutive 10+ assist game. I’m not going to say that Rondo is not a tremendous, outstanding player, but let me say this: His assisting is incredible and there’s no denying he’s an unreal point guard. But shouldn’t players be evaluated to a degree by what kind of team offense they help produce? Make what you will about Westbrook, but he’s running one of the NBA’s very best offenses. Boston’s is mid-pack, if that. Point is, when you’re judging Westbrook this season, I think it might be wise to start with the Thunder’s offensive efficiency. I think that might tell the best story about his season.
  • (Obviously the Celtic offense was on point tonight, but that hasn’t been the case thus far this season.)
  • Something to think about from Haralabos Voulgaris: “I’d much rather have someone that attacks to score like Russ vs. a guy who attacks for 17 foot assist attempts.”
  • If you look at the box score, outside of the bench difference, in just raw numbers, the Celtics really won this game with the 3-pointer. Similar turnovers, similar shooting percentages, similar free throw numbers. Boston made two more shots overall, and three more from deep, on seven fewer shots.
  • Perk really played a pretty nice game. He was very much into it, defending inside and competing in the pick-and-roll game. Had the Thunder pulled this one, I think it would’ve had very much to do with the work Perk put in during his 30 minutes.
  •  Also, Perk was just out there, leading fast breaks and no-look passing. You know, typical stuff we see every night.
  • Westbrook’s first quarter: 3-4, eight points, five assists, four rebounds, one turnover. His next three quarters: 7-17, 18 points, three assists, three rebounds, four turnovers.
  • You knew that Jason Terry dagger was coming at some point. It was unavoidable.
  • Maynor’s four assists is a season-high. That’s not a good thing.
  • This putback from Ibaka was pretty good.
  • I know I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure Ibaka made his first jumper ever after taking a dribble.
  • Brian Davis asked Grant Long if he’d keep working if he won the lottery and Grant said that not only would he keep working, he’d probably just give all the money to charity. Grant Long is Ned.
  • That Bob Mills commercial. Oh man.
  • Biggest surprise of the night: It took almost 45 minutes for Westbrook to get hit in the face (or act like he did).
  • Sight for sore eyes: Nick Collison and Kevin Martin hooked up on the old Harden-Collison backdoor play.
  • “Russell Westbrook, his court vision is second to none.” — Grant Long, real quote
  • Jeff Green pretty much torched his old buds tonight. It was probably his best game of the season — 17 points on 6-of-11 — and naturally, it came against OKC. It was the first time Green has played against OKC since he was traded and while some of emotion was taken out because it’s been more than a year now, it was still kind of weird to see him guarding KD.
  • Strangely, not that big a deal made about the Thunder playing against Chris Wilcox.
  • Obligatory mention of how good the home whites look with black shoes.
  • Brian Davis Line of the Night: “Durant running up the floor like Hopalong Cassidy.”

Next up: At the 76ers Saturday.

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Crownme
Crownme 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Doc Rivers stated after the game that they had planned to remove Martin because you can't do anything about Russ and KD. and pretty much "It worked, we won" . That may notbe the exact quote but words to that effect.

 

So the scout reports produced an option for them to pursue, we will react to the method. Things will work out, that is what the season part of the season is for after all. It would have been  a great win, but I don't come away from that game worried about losing a seven game series.

atxhorn
atxhorn 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

there were some bad calls and bad plays. despite his selfishness westbrook was fun to watch this game.

cdub00
cdub00 5pts

When shots aren't falling for k it's tough for us to win, just like when hardens shot wasn't falling we had a tough time winning. No need to freak out, they are def playoff team and we had off night and still ha chance to win at the end. We will be fine. Circle K doesn't get 1 FG very often, gotta get him the ball more. ThunderUp

KellOne
KellOne 5pts

Next... http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/11/saturday-morning-cartoons-pointguardperk/#respond

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

Also, that charge on K-Mart wasn't a charge.  As he was the recipient of a pass and not a dribbler, the rules are different.  The refs and Grant Long missed that.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

"To get into a legal position defending against the dribbler, the defender just needs to get in front of him. On a drive to the basket, the defender must get to his position before the shooter starts his upward shooting motion. For most other cases, the defender must get into position and allow enough distance for the offensive player to stop and/or change direction."

cdub00
cdub00 5pts

@FF_pickups Agree, one of worst charge calls against OKC this season. One of those nights for k mart.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

Hey at @kennygee90 lets talk about dwight for a second

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @Lost Ones  @kennygee90 what about him

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @kennygee90 how you feel about his health and him being regulated to a 2nd-3rd option on offense.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

Rajon Rondo 16 assists vs @OKCThunder Only @MagicJohnson has had double digit assist games in his 1st 12 games of the season (did it twice).....Can we now say this dude might be in a league of his own in terms of being a Point Guard...his assists are unreal...

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @kennygee90 all his assist were forced passes with him having a opening to a rim, i rather him take shots at the rim then pass for 17 footers.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @Lost Ones  @kennygee90

 The Celtics are one of the two worst offenders in the league of moving screens, the only worse is the Spurs.  It's only good team basketball because the refs are letting them get away with it. 

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @kennygee90  @Lost Ones

 I give him credit, he's the 3rd best point guard in the league.  That's pretty good.  If Rose can return, Rondo will drop to 4th.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @Lost Ones give credit to the dude..his playing unreal...

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @Lost Ones yet they still resulted in buckets still...its called good team basketball...

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @kennygee90

 In the last 23 NBA seasons, only one point guard has won an NBA title and averaged over 8 assists per game.  Having a traditional point guard isn't the way to win anymore, sorry to burst your bubble but the Stockton's, Nash's and Paul's of the world are always going to be finishing second to the Jordan's, Bryant's and Durant's.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @FF_pickups true but they have paul pierce whose a good closer

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @FF_pickups no one said that Rondo is as good as them..I just said his playing unreal in terms of point guard position

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @kennygee90

 And the Kidd and Stockton arguments are making my point.  You may get lucky and win some postseason rounds but eventually you are going to run into the Jordan's, LeBron's, Durant's and Shaq's of the world.  Unstoppable one on one players trump the best passing.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @kennygee90

 Magic Johnson won rings before the advent of defense.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @FF_pickups They can..Magic Johnson won rings...John Stockton went to two finals..Jason Kidd did too..their not overrated..they just faced better players and teams

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @kennygee90

 They are too old to win, now.  I am just saying that assists are an overrated stat.  They don't translate to post season success.

Unstoppable35
Unstoppable35 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @kennygee90 The scorekeeper rigs it so he gets so many.

KellOne
KellOne 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Every_Day_Im_Thunderin'  @kennygee90 He got 3 assists during halftime

KellOne
KellOne 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @FF_pickups  @Every_Day_Im_Thunderin'  @kennygee90 And there's another one just now

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @KellOne  @Every_Day_Im_Thunderin'  @kennygee90

 He got two assists while on the bench and another one during a timeout.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Is Eric maynor benched yet?

HookemKD
HookemKD 5pts

Funny how Durant goes the first five games playing like LeBron with a scoring title being an afterthought. Now it seems like Durant is a lock again...

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Heres to KD, Russ, Martin and E Mayn putting on a clinic tonight.  Go Thunder!

 

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

Martin got good looks.  He just wasnt hitting.  Difference between him and Harden when Harden was off he would take it to the basket.

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

 @OkcBaby   I think you're right.  The shots just weren't dropping for Kmart.  Eh...it even happens to KD and Russ sometimes.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @OkcBaby

 The numbers support that he sucks against traditionally good D's.  You can rationalize it all you like and if that makes you feel better, then by all means do it.  But he has been useless against fast, swarming playoff like D.

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

 @FF_pickups   What do the numbers say about Kmart's traditional performance against swarming D's when he's playing next to 2 of the top-5 scorers in the league?

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @TaoMaas

 Maybe you didn't read my earlier post so let me repost it for you:

 

Against San Antonio, Boston, Memphis and Chicago ( i.e. playoff teams), Martin is shooting 34.6%, against everyone else 50.9%.  But even more, he's struggling just to get his shot off.  In those games, he's averaging ONLY 6.5 shots/game but against everyone else, he's averaging 11.5 attempts/game.

 

Like I keep saying and the numbers are backing me up, we are going to be a really good team that blows out bad teams but when playoff time rolls around, we aren't going to be as good as if we had kept Harden.

 

 

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @FF_pickups I think Martin coming off the bench makes his job just a little bit easier then being the starting man on bad teams.  Dont you think?

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @OkcBaby

 I do think so.  I like Martin and think he is a good asset for the team.  All I am trying to say is that people shouldn't be tricked into thinking that him dropping 40 on the Bobcats translates to playoff basketball.

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @FF_pickups Clippers had a pretty good D.  I think:)

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @FF_pickups You mean Harden and Miami?

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @FF_pickups Harden was easy shutdown for miami?  Now Battier and Miller was a different story:)

tygablood
tygablood 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@OkcBaby @FF_pickups I am fairly sure Kmart would be a complete non-factor vs the Griz in a playoff series, we need to hope to avoid them if we don't make a trade at the deadline.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @OkcBaby

 If Miami shut down Harden, what do you think they are going to do to Martin?

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

Once again, last night illustrated the difference between K-Mart and Harden.  Against good D, Martin is going to struggle to get his shot off, Harden can create against most D's

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Against San Antonio, Boston, Memphis and Chicago ( i.e. playoff teams), Martin is shooting 34.6%, against everyone else 50.9%.  But even more, he's struggling just to get his shot off.  In those games, he's averaging ONLY 6.5 shots/game but against everyone else, he's averaging 11.5 attempts/game. 

 

Like I keep saying and the numbers are backing me up, we are going to be a really good team that blows out bad teams but when playoff time rolls around, we aren't going to be as good as if we had kept Harden.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

 @FF_pickups chicago isn't a playoff level  team this year

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @f5alcon

 They are a playoff level D. 

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Unstoppable35
Unstoppable35 5pts

 @EveryDayImSergeing I feel like your copying me...

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Unstoppable35
Unstoppable35 5pts

 @EveryDayImSergeing  @Every_Day_Im_Thunderin' If you like it, you can keep it. I don't care as long as it's exactly the same thing as mine.

C-Wil
C-Wil 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

KMart def got the Cook treatment in the game last night, once he started missing everything he became quickly ignored and then disappeared for good. He is too good to be missing the shots like he did last night. 

okcjim
okcjim 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

It seems pretty obvious to me that something is going to have to change. It is early and we will improve but I don't think team improvement alone will do it. Areas that its obvious to me that we need to improve... 1 - 2nd team offense. We need more than 1 scoring threat on the floor. I thought the plan was to keep KD or Russ in the game at all times to help with this? Russ went out with about 3 minutes left last night and we were down 2. By the time the third quarter ended we were down 11. That was the difference in the game. It was a good idea. I'm not sure why he didn't stick with it. 2 - We can do that and it will help but we really still need another offensive threat. What happened to that white dude that was draining all those 3's in the preseason? He's at least a threat. Thabo, Maynor, Collison and Thabeet aren't threats. You guard Martin right now and we're not going to score with that group. 3 - I appreciate what Perk brings. There is no one more intense, he's a great team guy and locker room guy. But he's so one dimensional and he hurts you in too many ways to just say, this is our starting center, he's in during the important times of the game regardless of who it is. He's a big, slow, prodding guy who is effective against maybe 20-25% of our opponents. I can't help but wonder what a guy who can defend who is at least adequate offensively and on the boards would add to the team? 4 - Brooks has to become a better in game manager. The way he runs the team right now he could literally run it and not be there. He's got not a creative in game coach. You watch San Antonio or Dallas or Even Boston and those guys manage the games (the refs) and their teams soo much better. I would love to see Brooks improve a little in this area. That's all I've got.

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

@okcjim 4 is interesting. Brooks doesnt change much regardless of situation other than ocassionally going small for longer stretches. In terms of changing where a player is getting the ball or which player is getting it regardless of matchup, he doesnt do.

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