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Practice Report: OKC prepares for The Beard’s return

by Royce Young on November 27, 2012 at 2:17 pm 555 Comments

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Everyone knows that Wednesday’s game against the Rockets means just a little bit more. Even Scott Brooks, who broke from his “every game matters the same” script after practice Tuesday.

“No, it’s not just another game. I want to beat the Rockets,” Brooks said. “They traded me in the second championship year. It took me five years to get over Rudy Tomjanovich. Now we’re best buddies. But yeah, it’s still personal.”

OK, other than that, it’s not just any game for the Thunder. It’s the return of James Harden, which will surely be an awkward, somewhat emotional night at The Peake.

It was just a month ago — exactly a month, tomorrow — that the Thunder traded Harden, Cole Aldrich, Daequan Cook and Lazar Hayward away in a blockbuster than brought in Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb and picks. It was a shocking turn of events after the Thunder couldn’t reach an extension agreement with Harden. With everything Harden had said himself from talking about sacrifice, to taking less money, to being “a hundred percent” sure he was staying, it was hard to be prepared for it.

And now, Harden returns. How will the fans respond? A lot has happened since Harden was traded and a player once as beloved as any on the roster is seen in a bit of a different light. Still, it’s hard to forget the very good times the Thunder had with Harden. The big shots, the big dunks, the big moments.

“Obviously with James coming back, the fans are going to be excited to see him,” Brooks said. “But I really believe they’re going to cheer him on early and cheer for us the rest of the game.”

Whatever the reaction is, it’s going to be weird. But Brooks says, probably more so for Harden.

“There’s no question it’s probably more emotional for the guy playing against his former team than a team playing against one player,” he said. “Because we look at tomorrow’s game as we have to beat the Rockets.”

Don’t forget though, this is Kevin Martin’s first time playing against his old team too. While it doesn’t carry the same weight as Harden’s return to OKC, he definitely understands the situation better than most.

“He’s going to be hit with a lot of emotions. Especially the closer it gets to tipoff,” Martin said. “But the fans love him here, he had success. So it should be a good welcoming for him.”

What about for him personally, playing against the Rockets?

“I had some great years down there. Not being in a Rockets uniform, it’ll be a little emotional,” he said. “But it’s part of the business and you wish them the best of luck and you go on with the game and try and win it.”

There’s no doubt that Harden meant a lot to this team, and this city. He was an extremely important player on the roster, but a beloved personality and a close friend in the locker room. Unless you’re Russell Westbrook who is devoid of personal attachment and emotion.

“It won’t be nothing for me. Nothing happened to me. It’s another night man,” said Westbrook. “Like I said, those guys, James, Daequan, Cole, we’re all still good friends. But we got to go in and take care of business.”

Brooks said he plans to begin the game with Thabo Sefolosha on Harden, which should come as zero surprise since Harden is Houston’s best player and Thabo is OKC’s best defender. But there will likely be adjustments throughout the night. Because if anyone understands how to defend Harden, it should be the Thunder.

“The crazy thing is though, good players seem to figure out how to get their points and get their game going,” Brooks said. “Everybody knows the league pretty well. You know how to stop Kevin Durant, but it’s hard to do it. You know how to stop Russell, but it’s hard to do it. That’s what makes the great players special. And James, it’s hard to stop him.”

Stopping Harden though means you’ve stopped the Rockets. As Darnell Mayberry pointed out, games in which Harden shoots over 45 percent the Rockets are 5-0. They’re 1-7 when he shoots under 45 percent. That was the rallying cry about Harden’s move is that while he was going to be The Man in Houston, he also wasn’t going to have Durant and Westbrook to lean on. And the Thunder want to give Harden the rude awakening of showing him what he’s missing in OKC.

SCOTT BROOKS

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On his quote about it being personal with the Rockets: “That was the truth many years ago though. But I wasn’t really good enough to be like, ‘Oh, I’m really going to go at ‘em next time we play ‘em.’”

On Harden’s perspective: “When you come back and play a team where you’ve been traded from, there’s obviously more emotions there.”

KEVIN MARTIN

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On sharing the ball “We know we’re a special team when we’re sharing the ball. That’s one thing coach has been talking about the last couple weeks. Just keep sharing the ball, keep trusting each other an that’s what we’ve been doing lately.”

On if it’s a little more personal with Harden tomorrow: “I’ve been in the league nine years. I’ve have nothing personal with anything. It’s for everybody else to make whatever they want to make out of it.”

RUSSELL WESTBROOK

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On what he’s been doing different the past few weeks: “Nothing. I mean I’ve been taking the same amount of shots. Just been making ‘em.”

On defending Harden: “I mean, I don’t know what it’s like. Because we ain’t played yet. But it’s different. He has a green light over there, he plays freely. He’s able to basically do whatever he wants. But we just have to do a good job of team defense and we’ll be alright.”

On how much he’s talked to Harden: “None really. Not much.”

Audio via Randy Renner

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beelieve035
beelieve035 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

No one posted the Bolts?

http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/11/wednesday-bolts-11-28-12/#more-23078

Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell
Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell 5pts

If none of the four are going to play, which duo do you want in Tulsa, Orton, Liggins, Lamb, or Jones III?

 

I'd throw Lamb and Jones III down there for them to get play time and form some chemistry between the two of them.

Perk-Nightmares
Perk-Nightmares 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2

 Orton and lamb

 

Liggins can play for the thunder NOW

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@PerkPunt @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2 Liggins looked so promising in preseason...even on the offensive end he seemsed like a good roll player.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@Crow @Keith00 @PerkPunt Looks like it hasn't improved much...shooting 68% in d-league (small sample) but he shoots well frmo the field and averaging 8.5 ASG. At best I would say he's Thabo Lite. I may prefer him if Thabo gets hurt this year.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Keith00  @BallSoHard  @PerkPunt Never shooting over 70% from FT line in college is a discouraging indicator, though not a definitive case closer.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Keith00  @BallSoHard  @PerkPunt There is little in his stats *before this season* to suggest Liggins can shoot to NBA average. One college season good at the 3 pt shot and that is about it. He might get better over time, best case like Thabo?

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Keith00  @BallSoHard  @PerkPunt Liggins should get a shot at it but may or may not be "there" yet. He wasn't in Orlando last season.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Keith00  @BallSoHard  @PerkPunt we are not going to cut orton, he didn't have to sign him after the trade

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@Keith00 @PerkPunt How much can the last man on the bench help a team? Pietrus is also avail

Keith00
Keith00 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BallSoHard  @Keith00  @PerkPunt I'd just rather have the roster spot. Let's face it, if we cut him, it's not like he won't be available later on if injuries hit.

 

Also, Kyrylo Fesenko would actually be a useful player. He's a dominant defender. He's still unsigned by an NBA team. Why waste a roster spot on Orton when we could sign someone who could actually help the team?

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@Keith00 @PerkPunt Orton cut for what? Then we just have an empty roster spot? You never know what these guys can turn out to be. Most likely here in case of injuries.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @BallSoHard  @PerkPunt Liggins can shoot. Considering all these guys are going to play sparse minutes anyway, Liggins makes the most sense with the Thunder. Shooting can arguably have the greatest individual impact in limited time. Also, Liggins is likely closer to his long term role. He doesn't have as much to figure out in his game.

 

Orton should just be cut, he provides nothing we don't already have and better. Jones and Lamb should both be down in Tulsa working on their shooting and defense. I see the value indoctrinating them in the Thunder culture, but it doesn't seem to supersede the value of them getting significant, consistent playtime.

Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell
Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell 5pts

 @PerkPunt I agree with the Liggins being able to play right now part.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

The Lakers traded for Howard and Nash..Nash isnt playing, Howard is a shell of himself...this is annoying, not what i pictured in the summer..Back to Kobe taking over games and Gasol being inconsistent...My Lakers are in trouble..

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@kennygee90 It's weird....it's like all Laker fans thought they would be this awesome team...everyone else had doubts.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @BallSoHard  @kennygee90 the team hasnt played at 100% full health though

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BallSoHard  @kennygee90  he doesnt  have the energy and stamina for it..he looks worn out and tired half the time

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@kennygee90 Howard's at full health and they aren't even using him. I think that has to change. He should get more than 10 shots a night.

Perk-Nightmares
Perk-Nightmares 5pts

 @kennygee90

 yes they are, we said this two months ago. the hype got you my dude

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @PerkPunt Nash is the main piece of this offense and his not here..having a 34 year old Kobe being the main ball handler is not fair to him and takes too much energy

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @PerkPunt no he wants to score but not be the main ball handler so that the defense doesnt key on him

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@PerkPunt @kennygee90 Agree..Kobe loves this play. Although I'm sur ehe loves winning more, he would rather do it by shooting 30 times a night.

Perk-Nightmares
Perk-Nightmares 5pts

 @kennygee90

 he loves it though. 28 shots

Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell
Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell 5pts

 @kennygee90 You think Gasol is gone?

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2 he gotta go..His just not reliable for that huge contract of his..The problem though is that Nash is the biggest piece and his not playing..I think we have to wait and see how he plays with Nash first but im getting tired of his lackadaisical play

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @anonymous12345  @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2  im thinking they'll go on a crazy winning streak after the allstar game

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts

 @kennygee90  @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2 The good thing for the Lakers is half of the west is either at .500 or within a game of .500, so they could easily get the #4 seed 

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @Keith00  @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2 ...Nash changes everything..he makes those average and below average players look like stars..Howard is a shell of himself so we have to wait for him to get back to form..Gasol should be traded if theres a good deal out there

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @anonymous12345  @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2 yea alot of credit to him too

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @kennygee90  @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2 LA should still try to turn Gasol into multiple solid rotation players. He's still great, but the bench and tertiary characters are blowing it. The defense isn't very good (primarily due to Howard's back), the offense is fine. This is why I suspect getting Nash back won't make much of a difference.

 

LA jumped all in on the star heavy model, but the stars aren't up to the challenge. They are hurt, old, both, or just inconsistent. If LA could turn Pau into a defensive PF and some backup help on the perimeter, I think they would be better off.

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts

 @kennygee90  @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2 So no credit to Kupchack for Howard?

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @PerkPunt  @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2 his one week away what do you mean..his already doing drills and basketball activities

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2  @anonymous12345 what has he done wrong..He got howard for us..

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts

 @kennygee90  @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2 His father did a great job.  The way he botched the Phil Jackson deal was epic.  Magic has turned against him too.  Maybe Jeanie can take over

Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell
Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell 5pts

 @kennygee90  @anonymous12345 His father is a great owner, Jim is a moron.

Perk-Nightmares
Perk-Nightmares 5pts

 @kennygee90  @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2

 nash out for the season right? no time to waste you guys needs PG and a SF/SG of fthe bench. I said this last year that LAL should have went after fat felton instead.

 

 

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @TaoMaas true

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @anonymous12345  @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2 hell no..I'd take Jim Buss over every other owner..him and his father have done a great job

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

 @kennygee90    Gotta wait until Nash gets back and see how it goes.  That could change a lot of things.

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @kennygee90  @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2 Jim Buss is the one thats got to go

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

Which player has the highest ceiling and potential? Lamb or PJ3?

El Prez
El Prez 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BallSoHard Lamb has the higher ceiling although he's struggling right now and maybe should spend some time in Tulsa. Lamb has shown at UConn when surrounded by a player like Walker he can excel.Put Lamb on the floor with KD and Russ and that could be fun. Lamb is not an alpha guy---he needs an alpha beside him on the floor. Perry Jones never showed me this during his days at Baylor. His game always seems disjointed somewhat.

 

I'm not giving up on Chandler Parsons. We know the Thunder brass reads this website---so here's what we do to get another scorer with size so we can beat Miami in the Finals.

 

We trade Perry Jones and that first round pick from Dallas and the second round pick from Charlotte back to Houston for Parsons.

 

2012 stats

 

Chandler Parsons   15.7 ppg   7.0 rbpg   3,5 apg  PER 15.95

 

Pull back even more on the Eric Maynor minutes and you'd have a second unit with KD, KMart, Nick, Hasheem  and Chandler Parsons. Reggie would mix with these pretty well when it comes to that.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@El Prez I'm not sure how much negotiation was involved but sure seems like they should have really pushed for Parsons. I would let them keep the Tor 1st.

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BallSoHard  @El   I think Presti originally pushed for Parsons as part of the Harden deal, but the Rockets wouldn't go for it. 

Perk-Nightmares
Perk-Nightmares 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BallSoHard

 PJ3 as a back to the basket player. growth in the way LMA grew in skill.

 

Lamb, i dont know his ceiling honestly but it is not as high as Pj3

Keith00
Keith00 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @PerkPunt  @BallSoHard Lamb's ceiling is Shane Battier, PJIII's ceiling is LMA. Lamb could reach his ceiling easier because A) it's lower and B) his role pushes him towards those talents. PJIII could theoretically do what LMA does, but he doesn't have the mentality nor raw skills. Perry doesn't want to play in the post, and LMA has always been at his best when forced to be a post-oriented player. I think Perry ultimately ends up a lot like Jeff Green - tweener with bench level production.

Perk-Nightmares
Perk-Nightmares 5pts

 @Crow  @Keith00  @BallSoHard  @justin_mia

 Jones will never have Dante's motor. If we are saying Jones "might" not be chris wilcox then we have a problem.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BallSoHard  @Crow  @Keith00  @justin_mia  @PerkPunt Jones is taller but with less reach, faster, more agile and stronger.  Really they are only similar in height.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Crow @Keith00 @justin_mia @PerkPunt How does he compare to Durant? Only player I can think of that he resembles in physique is Durant.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Keith00  @BallSoHard  @justin_mia  @PerkPunt Not too different on the tests from Dante Cunningham. But athletic similarity is only part of it of course.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Keith00  @BallSoHard  @justin_mia  @PerkPunt His test results were similar to Ed Davis too. Probably more like Thaddeus Young's mentality. If they want him to be a PF they have a lot of work to do.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Keith00  @BallSoHard  @justin_mia  @PerkPunt Player just slower than Jones but overall similar was Thaddeus Young. Could Jones be used like Thaddeus Young? Might be worth looking at closer.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Keith00  @BallSoHard  @justin_mia  @PerkPunt I was surprised how few fast PFs in the draft combine even stuck in the league, much less did well.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Keith00  @BallSoHard  @justin_mia  @PerkPunt  I looked at Draftexpress for PFs with fast sprint times as a starting point comparison for Jones. The best PF faster than Jones is David Lee. Jones isn't going to be David Lee.  Another name faster is Chris Wilcox. Jones might be a Chris Wilcox. He might not be that good. Another name that came to mind for blue sky aspiration was James Worthy.  They might want to have him watch James Worthy film and get in spots to score like him.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BallSoHard  @justin_mia  @PerkPunt  @Keith00 Bosh's bread and butter is his driving ability against slower defenders. So yes, Perry could do that too. Of course, Bosh is also one of the best mid-range shooters in the game, so opponents have to play him close. Perry has never shown . The problem is that Bosh still at least accepts his other duties as a big man. He can rebound well and even defend very well. I'm not sure Perry will commit to those things, certainly he hasn't yet in his career with us or Baylor. It was disconcerting to me to hear him hyping himself as a SF coming out of college, when clearly his best impact would be at PF.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@justin_mia @PerkPunt @Keith00 Do you think he can resemble Chris Bosh?

Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell
Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell 5pts

 @Keith00  @justin_mia  @PerkPunt  @BallSoHard That's more or less what I want out of him. I'd like to see Perry and Lamb as 6th men for the next few years. 

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2  @justin_mia  @PerkPunt  @BallSoHard The problem with PJIII is that all his "best" comparisons are big men, but he has no desire to play like a big man. He didn't in college either. This is why I think ultimately we are looking at the second coming of Jeff Green. Perry wants to play on the perimeter, but really doesn't have a great perimeter game. His best bet is to play PF and use his superior speed and ballhandling to take opponents off the dribble, but he simply doesn't want to put effort into fighting for rebounds or defending the post. Thus, we either get a low efficiency SF or a weak PF. Fine for the bench.

Perk-Nightmares
Perk-Nightmares 5pts

 @justin_mia  @Keith00  @BallSoHard

 ohhh  good one.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

 @PerkPunt  @Keith00  @BallSoHard Tim Thomas?  

Perk-Nightmares
Perk-Nightmares 5pts

 @justin_mia  @Keith00  @BallSoHard

 yeah, but i'm just looking for a quick comparison.  I agree with you.

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

 @Keith00  @PerkPunt  @BallSoHard I do not think Jones is the shooter LMA ever was.  LMA was a decent mid range shooter as soon as he entered the league.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@Keith00 @PerkPunt PJ3 seems so unsure of himself...like not sure he fits in the NBA. Lamb has confidence and wants nothing else than to be in the NBA.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@PerkPunt I dunno, did teams really miss on the draft. I mean obviously he has the knee situation but if PJ3's ceiling is higher, how was he passed up that many spots? Lamb was taken really early also...

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@PerkPunt Well put....I would agree with PJ3 having the higher ceiling then. I think Lamb may be the current better player, but PJ3 has all the athleticism in the world...just needs to get to work and tone himself. I also think he needs to bulk up a bit.

Perk-Nightmares
Perk-Nightmares 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BallSoHard  @PerkPunt

 i mean a ceiling is something completely different that current level of tallent. Pj3 has a higher ceiling the the way Serge has a higher ceiling, becuase they have the frame and athleticism to be so much greater than than are. to reach that ceiling the player much be much smarter in how they play. Hench why Harden is much better than serge. Also why lamb was chosen higher he played better in college.

Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell
Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BallSoHard  @PerkPunt He dropped because the chances of him reaching that ceiling are so low. He and Lamb had questions about being "the man" and taking charge. If we put them in a lineup with Russ, KD, and Serge, they won't be the stars, they simply need to play in a blending role, roles in which I believe they will excel in.

Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell
Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BallSoHard PJ3. Lamb is more likely to reach his though. Both are crucial to this teams future. Just my thoughts

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2 Is that based on what you have seen thus far?

Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell
Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell 5pts

 @BallSoHard Nope. I don't think either of their play so far is very indicative of their skill/talent/ceiling.

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