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Thunder Player Power Rankings: Russell, the hero

by Royce Young on November 26, 2012 at 11:35 am 177 Comments

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WEEK 1 | WEEK 2

A recap: Win against the Clippers, loss at the Celtics, win at the 76ers.

Being realistic and using common sports sense , wouldn’t you say that’s a pretty good week? It’s one of those weeks where if I told you in August when the schedule came out that the Thunder would go 2-1, you’d probably have said, “cool.”

One thing though: The defense has very clearly slipped. In OKC’s first eight games, it only allowed one team to score more than 95 points. In the last six, the Thunder have allowed 95 or more in all of them. Five of those games they allowed more than 100. They went from a top five defensive team per 100 possessions to now in the bottom half of the league. Or look at it this way: First eight games points allowed per 100 possessions, 94.7. Last six, 109.1. The offense is clicking along extremely well in terms of points per 100 possessions (third currently), but the defensive slide has been a bit concerning.

Anyway, let’s numerically order the roster. (Note: There weren’t any rankings last week so the “last week” rankings are actually from two weeks ago.)

1. Kevin Durant (Last week: 1)

Remember how early on in the season KD was playing a little passive and not looking for his own scoring much? Where he went the first five games without scoring 25 and the first eight without scoring 30?

Well, he’s scoring again.

Durant’s average over the six games: 31.2 points per game. And he hasn’t really sacrificed his playmaking all that much, or his efficiency. In the first eight games he had 31 assists (3.9 a game). Over the last six, 32 (5.3). He’s still rebounding extremely well, he’s cut his turnovers down some and his shooting percentage are sparkling (49-43-89).

Let’s say KD averages 28.0 ppg, 8.0 rpg and 4.0 apg on 50-40-90 averages. That’s one of the best seasons in NBA history, right?

2. Russell Westbrook (Last week 3)

The early theme to Westbrook’s season is that he’s back to assisting. He’s averaging 8.4 a game and has had four games with double-digit assists this season (four all of last season). So what’s the deal? Was Westbrook just selfish last season and looking for his own? Or was last season more of a outlier based on the fact the Thunder changed their offense a bit to be more isolation heavy?

Pretty sure you know my answer there already. Westbrook’s assists by season: 5.3 apg, 8.0, 8.4, 5.5, 8.4.

The Thunder as a team are assisting more and Westbrook has a lot to do with it. Look where his assists are coming at: He’s averaging 4.1 a game with assists leading to a basket at the rim (up from 2.2 last season) and 1.9 a game from 16-23 feet (up from 1.2 last season). Everywhere else, it’s mostly the same. Which tells me that Westbrook is back on the ball more as a creator. Plus, having a legit pick-and-pop option like Serge Ibaka helps a ton.

Another thing: KD’s being assisted on 61.3 percent of his baskets. That’s up from 48.1 percent last season and closer to what it was the seasons where Westbrook averaged eight assists per game. Westbrook is creating more looks for Durant while the Thunder are relying a bit less on isolation. I think his assist numbers are a bit misleading because Westbrook isn’t a ball mover. His assists come mostly as an isolated event, an explosive play where he set someone up. What I mean is, you notice when Westbrook gets an assist. It’s not like CP3 or Rondo where you glance at the box score and are shocked he had seven in a quarter because it only felt like three. But that’s the kind of player Westbrook is. He’s a hybrid guard that scores and creates. He’s not looking to pass, and he’s not really looking to score. He’s looking to make sure his team comes away with two or three points, one way or the other.

One other thing to touch on: Hopefully you read Henry Abbott’s super piece on Westbrook and hero ball. I don’t disagree with Henry really, but I do think there’s a certain addendum to Westbrook and hero ball. Because while he goes go rogue on his own, one thing that drives me crazy is this idea that Westbrook needs to pass.

My question is why would you have one of the most explosive scorers in the league trying to pass all the time? It would be like buying a greyhound and having a tiny backyard. Making the right play aside, the thought that Westbrook should be a point guard that just distributes is wrong. You can’t handcuff a talent like that. Does he call his own number too much? Yeah, probably. Does he ignore open teammates sometimes? Absolutely. But it’s not on an account of selfishness. Westbrook’s no ball hog. He just believes in Russell more than anyone else.

3. Serge Ibaka (Last week: 4)

Did you know: After scoring in single digits the first two games of the season, Ibaka has ripped off 12 straight in double-figures? His best career streak prior was six.

He’s obviously assuming a lot of the scoring load and has his average up to 15.1 ppg. That’s just 1.4 behind what James Harden averaged last season for OKC. If Ibaka can maintain his 15-7-3 averages, he’d join some pretty great names for players to have done that like Shaq, Bill Walton, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, Kareem. David Robinson and others.

4. Nick Collison (Last week: 5)

A couple Collison stats: He’s a cumulative +48 on the season so far. Good, not great. Consider this though: He’s a -21 with the unit of Maynor, Martin, Thabo and Thabeet. Almost every other lineup, he’s a plus.

It’s nothing new, but I floated the thought Collison should be OKC’s full-time starter at center, or at least there be a consideration for that. Granted, early sample sizes are small, but at center this season, Collison is a +49, with the team scoring 111.8 points per 100 possessions and giving up only 94.0/100. That’s crazy good. (Note: Collison’s a -2 at power forward, and that’s with a whole lot more minutes there.)

You’re probably thinking, “Well, Collison doesn’t really defend opposing centers that great though.” Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum? Maybe not. But statistically, Collison is holding opposing centers to 48.8 percent from the floor compared to power forwards at 57.6. Opposing centers have a PER of 16.7 against him while power forwards are at 18.3.

Pretty much the point is this: The Thunder are better in almost every circumstance with Collison on the floor rather than off, especially when he’s playing center.

5. Thabo Sefolosha (Last week: 6)

It’s saying a whole lot about Thabo’s perimeter shooting that when he puts one up — where he’s open — that I genuinely think it’s probably going in. Thabo takes high percentage 3s and has developed the ability to hit them. So therefore, he’s shooting a high percentage. It’s science.

6. Kevin Martin (Last week: 2)

Martin has gone back-to-back games scoring in single digits. Ignoring last season where he was hurt a lot in Houston, that didn’t happen a single time two seasons ago. Only happened twice the season before that. Didn’t happen once the season before that.

So you see my point here.

Martin is clearly a player that has to be involved, and by that I mean, other players have to include him. He’s not a weapon just standing on the wing waiting for Westbrook to kick out. He’s a weapon if he’s part of the offense, not apart from it. Using him just as a spot up shooter or only a bench scorer isn’t utilizing him best. Maybe there’s still a bit of a trust thing in that Durant and Westbrook have been through things together finishing games as a duo a whole lot, deep into the playoffs.

And so including Martin, who they’ve only played 14 games with, seems a bit foreign. That’s why you’ve got to hope that the longer things go and the more they play together, they rarer these single digit games before because Martin is a consistent factor in the offense.

7. Eric Maynor (Last week: 9)

Something’s up with Maynor and here’s what I think it is: We all got it in our heads that he was a mini-Harden, some super bench savior that was going to fix everything. Two seasons ago, his best season, Maynor averaged 4.2 points and 2.9 assists per game in 14.6 minutes a night.

This season: 4.1 points, 1.9 assists in 12.6 minutes per game.

The biggest I see for Maynor is that his time is getting more and more limited on the floor. It’s hard to really impact a game when you only play 11 minutes and get three or four at a time. Point guards need rhythm, need to get in a good flow and that’s not really happening. Plus, Maynor is adapting to being more of a creator. With Harden, Maynor wasn’t relied upon as much as a ball handler in the second unit. Now, he’s expected to get Kevin Martin shots. It’s a different thing.

Now, I don’t think Maynor has been as good as he’s been in the past. He’s not splashing 3s, he’s not finding pockets and creating consistent looks for teammates. But I also don’t think it’s all his fault.

8. Kendrick Perkins (Last week: 7)

Not really a horrible week for Perk. His game against Boston might’ve been his best of the season and against Philly, he was extremely useful in that he only played 20 minutes while Scott Brooks used his best lineup.

9. Hasheem Thabeet (Last week: 8)

I know some are watching Thabeet and wondering why he’s not OKC’s starting center. But being a starter comes with playing 25-30 minutes a game. You think Hasheem Thabeet is ready for that?

Fun stat though: Thabeet is shooting 78.6 percent from the floor (11-14), 80 percent from the line (16-20) and zero percent from 3. Meaning he’s a 79-0-80 shooter right now.

10. Perry Jones III (Last week: 12)

11. Reggie Jackson (Last week: 10)

12. Jeremy Lamb (Last week: 11)

It’s probably pretty unlikely any of this trio isn’t going to break into Scott Brooks’ now nine-man rotation, but before the Thunder made any kind of move to strengthen the second unit, I’d hope that someone gets at least a real shot. I’m not talking about two minutes in the second quarter. I’m talking about a four or five game stretch of real rotation minutes in a specific role.

The Thunder’s second unit is lacking some playmaking and a dynamic offensive creator. Could Reggie Jackson potentially be that? Who knows. And that’s the point: Who knows. Could Perry Jones add a new scoring dimension for the bench group? Or could Lamb be an extra shooter/floor spacer?

I doubt any of the three are legit difference makers, but my point is to free one to find out. Stockpiling talent is great, but they don’t give you anything than warm bodies on the practice floor. Unless they’re helping you win games, then what’s the point?

Inactives: Daniel Orton, DeAndre Liggins

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HookemKD
HookemKD 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Let’s say KD averages 28.0 ppg, 8.0 rpg and 4.0 apg on 50-40-90 averages. That’s one of the best seasons in NBA history, right? Easily top 5 all time yet no one will credit it as that because its quietly unreal, if that makes sense. People just see, oh 28 ppg with some rebounds and assists, not, most efficient shooting/scoring season of all time with some rebounds and assists. Last year Durant had a ridiculous season by shooting %s and ppg, yet his 3rd scoring title wasn't distinguished and the spotlight fell on LeBron.

RRRWHOAAAA
RRRWHOAAAA 5pts

if KD averages 28/8/4/ it will be awesome... also known as a lebron season

thehothand
thehothand 5pts

 @RRRWHATEVER Lebron can't touch that 50/40/90 % line though.

KellOne
KellOne 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Y'all comin?:  http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/11/bobcats-vs-thunder-pregame-primer-4/#comments

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @KellOne nah.

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @cemitten  @KellOne I'd rather stay here and form some kind of secretive, cult thread

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @KellOne A secret club is probably the only safe place to talk about such heresy 'round these parts.

KellOne
KellOne 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2  @cemitten What are you gonna talk about?  Loving Brooks and Perk?

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @FreeFezzyFel/BIG3little2  flagged for being elitist!

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

Ridiculousness 

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @OkcBaby how are the waves today?

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @OBoy Jones III U should know.  Thabeet is the best :)

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

Start Maynor for 15-19 minutes, Martin, KD, Perk and Ibaka.  Russ, Thabo, Reggie, Thabeet and collison 2nd unit

Mr_posey
Mr_posey 5pts

 @OkcBaby Please be a real person. The Thunder are worse when Russ isn't on the floor, FACT.

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts

 @Mr_posey   @OkcBaby Another one bites the dust!

 

 

 

Mr_posey
Mr_posey 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @cemitten Gotcha. I thought somethin had to be up with that, I like it already. Can't wait for the highs and lows of a game thread

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts

 @Mr_posey   Not really.  OKCBaby isn't a troll really. He just likes maynor. This was more of an inside joke than anything.  Stick around it's not as bad as you might think.

Mr_posey
Mr_posey 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @cemitten  @OkcBaby is this place flooded with Trolls?

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@OkcBaby you are relentless.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OkcBaby nice trolling buddy

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @OkcBaby good one. 

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @OkcBaby haha

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @OkcBaby There is absolutely no good reason for Russ not to start, especially right now because Maynor is not playing well.

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts

I'm definitely going to wear this shirt next game I go to

 

http://www.myteespot.com/Thunder-Buddies-For-Life-Ted-T-shirt-p-18268.html?gclid=CJ3VxprL7bMCFS-RPAodpTQAiQ

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @anonymous12345 

Let's get matching ones!  :)

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Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @BlakeR cody zeller= bust

HookemKD
HookemKD 5pts

@Lost Ones @BlakeR Racist. Gordon Hayward, Chandler Parsons, Ryan Anderson. Zeller isn't much different than those guys... None of them were busts.

Hasheem Thabinks
Hasheem Thabinks 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @BlakeR Cody Zeller = Mullens 2.0 with a slightly better motor

Hasheem Thabinks
Hasheem Thabinks 5pts

I know this is not conventional wisdom but why do starters need to play 30 minutes a night. why can't they just be regular role players who happen to have the best match up at the beginning of the game. I'm firmly in the start Thabeet camp, however i don't think he should be playing more than 15-20 minutes a game. It's like last year when thabo was hurt Cook started over Harden because OKC lost when harden started and won when cook did because favorable and unit chemistry were import. but cook didn't play over 16 minutes a game

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

 @DJ Scott Brooks aka jdstorm Not all of our starters play 30 minutes a night, and it's rare to see any center on any team play that many minutes.

 

But Thabeet is 4 games removed from being a huge bust, so let's give the kid a few more chances to grow into his newfound ability before we throw him out there against starter material. I realize Perk isn't good. I'm with you there. But if we should start anyone other than Perk, it's Nick.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@Jax Raging Bile Duct @DJ Scott Brooks aka jdstorm I think Royce started a new campaign. Start Nick!

Hasheem Thabinks
Hasheem Thabinks 5pts

 @BallSoHard  @Jax  @DJ that's a very royce thing to do

Hasheem Thabinks
Hasheem Thabinks 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct With thabeet i want him to start, because against second unit guys he is rebounding well, hitting free throws and has soft hands to finish at the rim.I like the idea of a starting unit where all 5 guys on the floor have the potential to score, and to begin with he can be on a 3 minute leash where you sub in Nick if things are going badly. But i think thabeet can do this.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @justin_mia  @DJ Scott Brooks aka jdstorm  @Jax Raging Bile Duct you seem to have no issue with nick fouling, thabeets foulings are within the confinement of being a benchplayers fouls dont no matter for him.

Hasheem Thabinks
Hasheem Thabinks 5pts

 @justin_mia  @Jax Raging Bile Duct I actually like perk with the bench more than perk with the starters. It gives him more of a chance to be Magic Perkins.

 

Also one of the biggest reasons i like thabeet Starting is that Playing with KD, Serge, Russ and even thabo those guys will cover/hide his deficiencies much better than kevin martin, Nick Collision and Eric Maynor ever could

Mr_posey
Mr_posey 5pts

 @justin_mia  That being said, do you think Perkins is a good thing when he's in the lineup? Do you think he gives us the best chance to win

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @DJ Scott Brooks aka jdstorm  @Jax Raging Bile Duct Fouls are bad for the team.  Gets the opponent closer to the penalty.  Free throws are bad.  Thabeet is playing better than expected but Perkins is still better than him, comfortably IMO.

Hasheem Thabinks
Hasheem Thabinks 5pts

 @justin_mia  @Jax Raging Bile Duct whats the problem with his foul rate if he's only plying 15-20 minutes he's never going to foul out. As for turnovers, I'm not suggesting that he gets the perk post up treatment, however he seems to be a much better finisher than most of the other bigs on this team.

 

The fascination is he's a 7'3 guy who is starting to work it out now that he's on a good team. Since he's only here for another two more years. i want to see him developed into a useful piece then traded with a high trade value.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @DJ Scott Brooks aka jdstorm  @Jax Raging Bile Duct Reality doesn't match perception.  Thabeet is fouling 8.5 times per 36 minutes, at that rate he'd foul out in 25 minutes.  Thabeet may have soft hands, but he turns it over about a third of the possessions he uses.  His defensive rebounding isn't impressive.  What's the fascination with him?

Hasheem Thabinks
Hasheem Thabinks 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct Continued. We already know the type of player Nick is, and I'm not advocating this for the playoffs, unless there is substantial improvement but for the regular season a couple of slow starts and dropped games doesn't mean all that much when you're going to win 50+ games

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

As of tonights game the bobcats will have travelled approximately 5530 miles and the thunder will be around 9298 miles

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @cemitten I like that you are tracking this stuff. 

Mr_posey
Mr_posey 5pts

I hate how people constantly talk down on Westbrooks play. Yes, he makes boneheaded plays, he also makes so many plays that help the team. The great outweighs the bad. Meanwhile, KD averages nearly 4 TO's a game and no one ever discusses it.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

 @Mr_posey We are equal opportunity complainers, every player can improve.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Mr_posey  They do discuss it on this blog quite a lot though.

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  Yeah, but the people who tlak about that are poser loozers.

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @cemitten  @Jax Raging Bile Duct Ugh, game threads...

Mr_posey
Mr_posey 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct THis is my 1st day here, guess I'm speaking more of outsiders then.

Mr_posey
Mr_posey 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct Ha, I can see it. I'm a huge critic, obviously I know he has plays that make you wanna throw plates at the TV. I'm looking forward to game threads now.

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

 @Mr_posey  My advice is to steer clear of game threads for a while. Maybe always and forever. Unless you like emotional volcanoes and parades of tirades.

Mr_posey
Mr_posey 5pts

 @Jax Raging Bile Duct I like to hear that, I'll like it here then. He's my fav player for along time, so I'm biased, but I think he has to score. I get the boneheaded plays, but you gotta kind of live with it. 

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Mr_posey  Russ is mostly loved on this blog, but there are a few traditionalists that would prefer another playing style here too.

 

Outsiders need a different narrative before they'll admit that he's a great player.

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