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Thursday Bolts – 11.1.12

by Royce Young on November 1, 2012 at 9:47 am 452 Comments

John Hollinger of ESPN.com on his all-breakout team: “James Harden benefited from playing alongside Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant, right? It makes sense, anyway. It seems like this should be true, as these are the only two other dynamic offensive players on the Oklahoma City Thunder, and one would presume that all the attention they draw would make life easier for Harden. And thus, one would presume that he will have a hard time playing without those two now that he’s with the Houston Rockets. There’s only one problem: This theory holds less water than the Sahara. Harden didn’t benefit from playing with KD and Russ. In fact, the exact opposite is true.”

Incredible breakdown between Harden and Kevin Martin by Kirk Goldsberry of Grantland: “One thing that is commonly overlooked in shooting evaluations is the basic ability to get shots. Dunks and layups are the most efficient shots on the floor, but for most players, they are hard to come by. Harden is great not just because he makes shots at high rates, but also because he creates the type of shots convertible at those rates. Not many guards in the NBA can generate effective close-range chances in the face of the defense as frequently as Harden, and this area represents the biggest gap between Harden and probable replacement Kevin Martin. Last season, 42 percent of Harden’s field goal attempts were close to the rim, and he made 62 percent of them. For Martin, only 20 percent of his field goals were in this area, and he made only 53 percent of them. This means fewer layups, dunks, and free throws for the Thunder, but more for the Rockets.”

Two votes for Kevin Martin for Sixth Man of the Year.

This was kind of awkward.

A quick thought on Harden’s game last night: Judging the Harden trade based on his production is stupid. Because the Thunder knew Harden was good. Better than anyone. That had absolutely zero to do with them trading him. If you don’t understand that, then you really don’t get this situation at all. Harden showed off everything Thunder fans knew about him Wednesday. He scored, he dished, he created — he was fantastic. He just got to do it all in a much more prominent role.

Also, I wrote about Harden’s debut for CBSSports.com. One thing I’d say to top it off: I think the official stance for Thunder fans should be root for Harden to do well, hope the Rockets suck.

Berry Tramel on chemistry: “Now, I still think OKC will emerge with home court advantage. The Thunder will play with a chip on its shoulder all season, recalling the NBA Finals disappointment. Plus, the Thunder is too young to know better. While the San Antonios and the Lakers realize the regular season exists to merge with new teammates and start peaking when springtime arrives, the Thunder still treats every game like it’s San Juan Hill. That should be enough to get the Thunder the top seed. But then come the playoffs, which very well could be determined by who has integrated its newcomer(s) best. The Lakers with Nash and Howard; the Thunder with Kmart. On the Thunder side, the starting five remains intact. That’s novel in this fluid league.”

Every fan of the NBA. I didn’t find it that funny, but the Thunder one was pretty good.

Tramel on Ibaka vs. Harden: “The truth is, you don’t want to be without Harden or Ibaka. The Thunder would take Harden over K-Mart. And if you’re asking which you would rather keep, if you had to pick just one, Harden is a suitable answer. The chemistry and fraternity he had with Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook was rare and charming. But the question has been answered. It’s much easier to replace James Harden than it would be to replace Serge Ibaka.”

Chris Palmer of ESPN.com on glue guys: “Whether accepting a role off the bench or getting his numbers without disrupting Durant and Westbrook’s production, Harden’s unselfishness was vital to Oklahoma City’s team chemistry. Players like Harden are invaluable to the overall makeup of a successful NBA team. The pieces of a championship puzzle don’t fit together properly unless unsung role players can lock them into place.”

How the Thunder will miss Harden.

Construction has begun on KD’s new restaurant: “The upscale Southern cuisine restaurant will feature Durant’s favorites including chicken satay, popcorn lobster, honey-dipped fried chicken, center cut pork chops, blackened catfish stuffed with crab meat and shrimp, slow-smoked barbecue ribs, chicken and shrimp jambalaya as well as a variety of steaks, seafood and desserts. KD’s will also feature a complete wine list and specialty drink menu.”

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Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/11/2011-12-preview-35-statements-made-with-extreme-confidence/

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts

legit question *sorry if its been asked a billion times already*  what player on the thunder roster do you think will STEP UP, per say, this year?   Could be cause of harden leaving, could be cause of overall game growth. Im just curious as to what some of you think. i personally think it will be Pj3 or ibaka myself .  

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Legendary_Dork If given the chance, I think Reggie will surprise some people. He was doing a good job of finding people in the preseason (just happened to be passing to people like Lazar and Thabeet). 

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Legendary_Dork

 Maynor. I think we term him the owner of the 2nd unit now. He needs to show why he was once called the best backup in the league. And this can be scary because weren't him and Harden great friends? I hate for him to be depressed.

neo12
neo12 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Legendary_Dork PJ3, Ibaka, or martin.  I just hope PJ3 gets lots of playing time so he can develop...

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Not a fan of the Rockets hate, Royce.  They did absolutely nothing wrong.  They even cut the Thunder a pretty good deal.  It's not like they are a legitimate rival like the Lakers or Spurs.  Their ceiling is probably a 4-5 seed and this year its more like a 7-8 seed.  Don't see why or how you can realistically hope Harden does well without hoping his team has some measure of success.  I don't want him to go win championships, but I don't begrudge him making the playoffs.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @senseandsenescence OKC aren't the Lakers rival dude just a great team we must beat to win a ring

Lasers
Lasers 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

 @kennygee90  @senseandsenescence i mean, harden's gone, but that elbow's still ringing

neo12
neo12 5pts

 @kennygee90  @senseandsenescence delusional...

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @kennygee90 Now this is a funny.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @Bsooreal  @senseandsenescence  @kers  @keshow  @kers  Yea I guess you guys lok at it like that....Laker fans don't look at it like that..you guys are great..we beat you when your team was nothing special....you guys have to start winning rings to start saying your Laker rivals...The spurs, celtics are...

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @kennygee90 You're probably right.  Lakers haven't even contested the last two playoffs.  If Harden hadn't been traded the Lakers wouldn't be our rivals.  Might not be still.  You have to win a game before you can talk about being rivals.

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @kennygee90  @senseandsenescence If we meet the Lakers in the playoffs this year, that'll be 3 in 4. That's enough to get the discussion started.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @kennygee90  @senseandsenescence

 the 2010 playoffs made the L@kers a rival... dont discount that. basically the L@keshow introduced the Thudner to the National Spotlight and help make thier persona ..... Yes the L@kers are a rival.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @senseandsenescence you guys just came up 2 years ago, how is this team the Lakers rival?

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

 @senseandsenescence If Houston makes a 4 seed Harden should get the next five MVP's at once.

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @justin_mia The ceiling as in over the next 4-5 years that is the highest I think they could get.  And if he plays 1/2 as good as he did last night for an entire season he will be in the conversation.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

 @senseandsenescence Yeah I know I just wanted to make a funny.

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

About tonights game, i know some of you will be like hawks, waiting and watching K-mart play, waiting to critique his every move, and if we lose, blame it on him.   Just keep this one fact in mind.  Houston played the PISTONS, we are playing the SPURS.   muuuuuch mmmuyuuuuuuuch better team.    I stand by what i say about harden. Until he can do all he did last night to an elite team, hes just looking puurdy for now.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @Legendary_Dork You can rest assured the blame about our losses is going to rest on our defense most of the time. Like always. 

wannabeGM
wannabeGM 5pts

 @Legendary_Dork Game 4 Dallas? WCF?

dream catcher
dream catcher 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Legendary_Dork I'm most interested in our defense.  if we can get to being in the top 5, we still have a good shot at the Championship this year.

[censored]
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 @dream catcher  @Legendary_Dork Well we didn't improve our defense via personnel improvements, and we're going to be playing Nick at C a lot I guess.  Defense didn't look particularly inspired in preseason.  I have my doubts.  I'd be surprised if we didn't take a step back defensively.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @justin_mia  @dream catcher  @Legendary_Dork perkins looks out of shape still

[censored]
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 @dream catcher  @Legendary_Dork I guess Ibaka has room for improvement.  He's probably one of the big x-factors, on both ends.  

dream catcher
dream catcher 5pts

 @justin_mia  @Legendary_Dork well, I hope the communication is better at least.  If it is the PnR defense might be a tad better.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @dream catcher  @Legendary_Dork One thing I was hoping was that Perkins' rebounding last season was a fluke, but it didn't appear that way in preseason.

[censored]
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 @dream catcher  @Legendary_Dork Yes, wishful thinking.  Contrary to Brooks' opinion, you don't play defense with your heart.

dream catcher
dream catcher 5pts

 @justin_mia  @Legendary_Dork all true, but years and years of Brooks saying come on lets play some defense has to be rubbing off on the guys.  Wishful thinking?  

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @justin_mia  @dream catcher  @Legendary_Dork We are an offensive team, regardless of what brooks/presti say

C-Wil
C-Wil 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Legendary_Dork I am def pulling for KMart tonight and the rest of the season. I hope he plays well enough in his debut, but if not there's always tomorrow in front of the home crowd :)

[censored]
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 @Legendary_Dork I'm not going to critique Martin, he's been in the league long enough that everyone should know his game by now.  I'll be watching his health more than anything, I think he'll be fine over the course of the season if healthy.

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @justin_mia did.....did..justin just say something..NOT NEGATIVE!!!!!  wow.  

Lasers
Lasers 5pts

@Keith00 btw

Lasers
Lasers 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Agreed, a RW playing to his defensive potential will wipe clean any creeping RW/JH debates. 

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Legendary_Dork  @justin_mia I think you must have misunderstood a lot of it. People aren't upset that Martin is on the team. 

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jooseppi  @justin_mia you SERIOUSLY want me to backtrack through thousands of fucking comments?  your out of your mind.  you must of not seen some of the crazy shit that was  being said.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Legendary_Dork  @Jooseppi  @justin_mia Martin should never be the scapegoat for any of our losses. He is what he is, a great shooter that doesn't play defense. He didn't choose to come here and replace a fan favorite. I'm going to be focused on team defense myself, as that's the only real way of staying on top. Also, I'm really hoping Westbrook/Ibaka show up big.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Legendary_Dork  @justin_mia Who has jumped on Martin? Where?

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jooseppi  @justin_mia im not making shit up.  

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Legendary_Dork  @justin_mia It has nothing to do with him. He's good. Stop making stuff up. 

Legendary_Dork
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 @Jooseppi  @justin_mia people on here talking like its the end of the world though since we got him, hes not harden this, we wont be playoff material that. so yes im targeting THEM. and i can project whatever i damn well want!~ 

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Legendary_Dork  @justin_mia You should project less. Nobody is saying Martin is a bad player. He's good and proven in this league. 

[censored]
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 @Legendary_Dork Martin's a good player and will be in a good position for his skill set.  

D@nny
D@nny 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Every time that Russ throws the ball out of bounds, I'm going to yell "Harden would have found a way to catch that! Preesssttii!!!!!"

Legendary_Dork
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 @D@nny gotta wave your fist at the air like RAAAAAAAA  >:D

Lasers
Lasers 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

Loved watching Harden with so many minutes. This is good for basketball

Lasers
Lasers 5pts

that being said, if he gets the scoring title, i'm gonna be pissed

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

ok , we get it, harden played great last night. Thats looking at it on face value. He had to play damn near 44 mins to do that, and it was against a SHITTY pistons team that was ranked 22nd in the league for defense.   NOW!  if harden can do this say against, the heat, or even us and average 30 points a game, 10 assist whatever, he deserves MVP, most improved player, a yacht, a title, and , an extra beard attached to his face..just saying

wannabeGM
wannabeGM 5pts

 @Legendary_Dork Who cares what he can do for Houston? He would have been doing the same damage FOR OKC if he would have been given control of the offense next to KD full time. Scary thought and unfortunate it won't ever happen.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @wannabeGM  @Legendary_Dork Not when you let Westbrook jump up into WESTBROOK and you rigidly stick with the thought that Harden is OKC Ginobili.

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts

 @wannabeGM i highly doubt that. and he had his shot to shine.  The harden we saw last night would never have been able to do ANY of that against the heat. FACT

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts

 @Fuzzy Logic  @wannabeGM and we lost. what i mean is we need team work. and honestly russ deserved more foul calls than he got, but what you gonna do. heat was at home :(

Fuzzy Logic
Fuzzy Logic 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @wannabeGM  @Legendary_Dork Nobody could do that against the Heat? Westbrook went for 43-7-5 against them in the finals last year in the same game Harden shot 2 for 10.

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts

 @wannabeGM gross..no im just saying the heat were one if not THE best defensive team in the league *might argue bulls were better*  they KNEW HOW to defend james. get him uncomfortable. ect..

wannabeGM
wannabeGM 5pts

 @Legendary_Dork Good argument. They are the champions with Lebron & Wade. Nobody can.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Legendary_Dork an extra beard?

Lasers
Lasers 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @f5alcon  @Legendary_Dork Redundant, his first beard has to be insured, right?

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lasers  @f5alcon i mean double beard!~  

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @f5alcon yes , its called HUMOR :P  

neo12
neo12 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Legendary_Dork Give him a big yacht! lol..

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts

oh and i remember him dropping 40 on the suns last year when he balled. so yes, we KNOW he can do that. but on THIS team he was arguably the 3rd best player.  On the suns, he IS the go to guy, so the pressure is on james~

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