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Thursday Bolts – 11.29.12

by Royce Young on November 29, 2012 at 10:47 am 141 Comments

Sam Amick of USA Today: “They spent four months negotiating with him and his agent, Rob Pelinka, and anyone who had tracked the career of the team’s general manager, Sam Presti, knows of his tendency to act deliberately and, when necessary, swiftly. So with Harden hell-bent on landing a maximum deal of four years and $58.5 million, Presti dealt him (with three others) to Houston for veteran scorer Kevin Martin, rookie shooting guard Jeremy Lamb, two first-round picks and a second-round pick. Harden, who told USA TODAY Sports that the final offer from the Thunder was for four years and $53 million, said he was not aware that Houston was a possibility until the deal was done.”

Marc Stein of ESPN.com: “The results were fairly predictable, too. With Chandler Parsons (shoulder) and Carlos Delfino (groin) out injured and unavailable to stretch the floor — and Thunder defenders knowing Harden’s tendencies better than anyone — they smothered him with relentless aggression and precision. Harden wound up seeing six of his 16 shots blocked by a defense that made it immediately clear that there would be nothing resembling the lefty’s 82-point spree in his first two games after OKC stunned the entire NBA by trading him to Houston on Oct. 27 when contract extension talks collapsed.”

John Hollinger of ESPN.com: “The Thunder, in other words, might be 2 percent worse with Martin replacing Harden, but they have ways to make up for the drop-off — getting more production from their center position, their backup point guard spot or their laughably unproductive starting group could more than make up for it. They’ve left themselves in position to do one more of the three (one item to watch: They have a $1.28 million trade exception active for three more weeks and just enough wiggle room under the tax to take in such a deal).”

David Thorpe breaking down Hasheem Thabeet.

Ben Golliver of SI.com: ” Harden played a “C-” minus game but even an “A+” night wasn’t going to be enough. The talent disparity between these two teams, in all facets, is too vast. OKC came into the game ranked No. 3 in offensive efficiency (points scored per possession) and No. 7 in defensive efficiency (points allowed per possession). Both marks are reflective of a hard-working team and a roster that still fits together nicely, even in the post-Harden era. This is a team that can beat you in so many ways. On Wednesday, the Thunder stuck to the most direct route, feeding three-time defending scoring champion Kevin Durant, who was way too much for any of Parsons’ replacements to handle.”

Chris Broussard of ESPN.com on Kevin Martin: “But while Crawford, one of the nicest guys in the league, was far from a loser, it took a trade to Atlanta in 2009 for him to prove it. Moved to the role of sixth man, he enjoyed the best season of his career, averaging 18 points on career-high 45 percent shooting while helping the Hawks reach the playoffs. Interestingly, Crawford has been at his best on good teams. After struggling on Portland’s sinking ship last season, he’s leading the rejuvenated Clippers in scoring (18.6) while shooting 47 percent from the field. Now, the same herky-jerky, over-dribbling, one-on-one moves that used to get Crawford criticized are garnering praise. The same reputation transformation probably awaits Martin. For his part, he claims he couldn’t care less. He says the people who matter always knew he could play.”

The Mavs signed Derek Fisher.

Here’s Thabeet’s ejection last night. And here’s his return.

Eddie Maisonet of SB Nation: “You could say that James Harden was neglected by the Thunder brass. Deciding to give big money to players like Russell Westbrook and Serge Ibaka instead of the reigning sixth man of the year. Instead of giving the maximum effort (dollars) to Harden when contract negotiations were taking place could be seen as mistreatment. (Actually, the rush job of “sign this now, you’ve got one hour or we’re moving forward with a trade” by Sam Presti is the bigger form of mistreatment, but I digress.) Things probably could’ve been managed better you could say.”

Important observation from Trey Kerby: “When the Thunder scrubs take the court, eight of their ten legs are sleeved. That’s too much.”

Zach Harper of CBSSports.com on Harden’s return: “This was not the storybook return James Harden was hoping for. The Oklahoma City Thunder destroyed Harden’s Rockets and held him to a pretty terrible shooting night. He finished with 17 points on 3-of-16 shooting and had just three assists while turning the ball over three times. The Rockets shut down any Rockets attack centered around him early and dominated from start to finish.”

Darnell Mayberry: The Thunder did a terrific job of slamming the door on Harden in the pick-and-roll. It was reminiscent of what Miami did to Harden in the Finals. OKC’s bigs played aggressive on the perimeter, staying locked to Harden and forcing him to see two bodies all night. It effectively eliminated Harden’s driving lanes and his kick outs to the open man.”

From Elias: “James Harden shot only 3-for-16 (18.8 percent) from the field in his first game as a visitor at Chesapeake Energy Arena in Houston’s loss to the Thunder on Wednesday night. Harden only had one game with a lower field-goal percentage on at least 10 attempts in that arena when he was a member of the Thunder, going 2-for-12 from the field (16.7 percent) against Denver on February 19, 2012.”

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long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts

there is a new post guys.

KellOne
KellOne 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @cemitten where's the link????  you expect us to just find it ourselves?

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

 @KellOne  http://bit.ly/V620Tz

KellOne
KellOne 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Barry Amenema That is awesome

twill0424
twill0424 5pts

COLLISON BALLS WAYY HARDER THAN PERK.. MAYBE AMNEST PERKINS AND GIVE COLLISON STARTING CENTER.. PERRY CAN GET ALIL MINS BEHIND DURANT N IBAKA FOR PF.

CLthunderfan
CLthunderfan 5pts

 @twill0424 Why you type in all caps?? feels like your yelling at me

KellOne
KellOne 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @CLthunderfan  @twill0424 She's Hasheem-ing

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @twill0424 STOP STEALING MY SWAG

 

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MostJadedGamer
MostJadedGamer 5pts

 @twill0424

 I know it won't happen but I would like to see Thabeet starting over Perkins. 

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @twill0424 Collison barely plays defense at the moment and you want him to be a starting center?

twill0424
twill0424 5pts

 @Lost Ones I THINK HE WOULD STEP IT UP.. RITE NOW PERK DEFENSE IS SLACKING HES NOT EVEN FASTER THAN THABEET..

 

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @twill0424I doubt it , putting collison at the 5 is risky his defense has regressed terribly.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

lambs assignment is kind of pointless but whatever guess we can hear about him averaging 25 in the dleague.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @Lost Ones They play tomorrow night and i think Sunday.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Crow I guess that's cool, im not feeling the development of our last few rookies its making me question personel

 

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

God, the Facebook comments for the Lamb assignment are retarded. Someone seriously put that Lamb was better than Sefolosha. Really?

okcjim
okcjim 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@D-MC Lamb might fit with the 2nd group better because we need scoring help there but Thabo fits great with the first group.

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @okcjim It gets worse. Some idiots think he had an amazing game with his two garbage time 3-pointers.

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @D-MC probably a dt'er

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

For some reason I get the feeling lamb won't ever get a real chance here but he'll go somewhere else and light it up.

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts

 @okcjim

 Not this season, but if Martin doesn't resign then he'll take his spot next year

okcjim
okcjim 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@anonymous12345 so we'll be asking a guy with no nba experience to replace a 20 ppg guy?

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @Crow  @okcjim  @anonymous12345

 Right now we are currently playing maynor(who is expiring/will not be resigned) over Reggie long term this makes zero sense to me at all.

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

@Crow @Lost Ones @anonymous12345 I think it's pretty easy to look past with the current state of the franchise. I wonder how much say Brooks has with the roster and Presti has with the player usage strategies?

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Lost Ones  @okcjim  @anonymous12345 Spurs have done better at injecting  role players into meaningful roles.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lost Ones  @okcjim  @anonymous12345 No media members ever really called Presti on that with Mullens, White, Aldrich, or Jackson. Maybe someday...

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @Crow  @okcjim  @anonymous12345 Thabos contract doesnt expire until after next year, this makes me question IF lamb will get any run at all within the next two years. how do we expect him to develop with out the adequate time.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Lost Ones  @okcjim  @anonymous12345 Will be interesting to see what Presti directs with SG next year.  It would be pretty bold to plug Lamb in big time next season without much run this season, as seems likely. But he'd have a whole season before the playoffs to develop so it may not be  totally crazy.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @okcjim  @anonymous12345

 he should get thabo minutes in the 2nd unit.

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I'm gonna say, but I'll hate myself later: They should have sent Perk to Tulsa instead; the 66ers could really use a back up center on their roster.

KellOne
KellOne 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Barry Amenema I've been having half of a serious thought that Perk should be the backup point guard since he's a lateral move from maynor and guards the pg's anyway.

d21
d21 5pts

haha dallas wants to start Fisher to mentor collison.

 

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-mavericks/headlines/20121129-sefko-mavs-to-sign-pg-fisher-38-thursday-collison-likely-to-be-back-up.ece

OBoyzOld Man
OBoyzOld Man 5pts

 @fuzzyman  Will Fish's jersey # with the Mavs be 38?

Just had a mild panic attack - what if this is a sign-and-trade that brings Fish back to OKC?  Nooooooooooooooo!

 

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts

 @OBoyzOld Man  @fuzzyman Might as well kiss that top 20 protected Dallas pick goodbye

D@nny
D@nny 5pts

Hey, have you guys heard about basketball? It's great! 3-16. Love it.

diddoff
diddoff 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Fisher could Start for Dallas. What do coaches that look like actors love in him so much?

KD4theWin
KD4theWin 5pts

Can somebody explain me how the trade exeption works? I mean with an example of a practical case and what benefits does it implies

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

see the paragraph links here (near the bottom of document) http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm @KeyserSo7e 

KellOne
KellOne 5pts

Jeremy Lamb must have gotten mouthy about deserving more playing time after draining 2 3's last night.  OK rookie.  Here's your bus ticket to Tulsa

OBoyzOld Man
OBoyzOld Man 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @KellOne

 He did say in a recent interview that he's been living in an OKC hotel since the trade, that his parents and sister are still in Houston, but will be moving here at the end of the year and he'll get a place then.  At least this way he gets to sample Tulsa's hotel offerings.  That's gotta get pretty boring when you're his age.

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OBoyzOld Man  @KellOne It's a bit of a drive to practice, but...

http://pricetower.org/innatpricetower/

thunder_mike
thunder_mike 5pts

 @OBoyzOld Man  @Barry Amenema  @KellOne For a kid his age, Tulsa is actually a better place on weekends. OKC is too Chesapeake'd. It's a good place for mid-20-somethings and up, but Tulsa is a little more college driven. Cooler architecture, better music scene. He could go around Tulsa and hang out without standing out all the time.

OBoyzOld Man
OBoyzOld Man 5pts

 @Barry Amenema  @KellOne

 "boy" (not "buy")

OBoyzOld Man
OBoyzOld Man 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Barry Amenema  @KellOne

 Beautiful B'ville, the jewel of Washington County - I know it well.  Or if Jeremy is more of a country buy, he might like:

http://www.jarrettfarm.com/

 

 

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts

 @KellOne he did? where did you read that

KellOne
KellOne 5pts

 @#sheem He did get assigned to the 66ers.  The links are further down.

JeremyBrewer
JeremyBrewer 5pts

 @KellOne  @#sheem He will be back in a heartbeat, I think it will be good to get him some burn.

KellOne
KellOne 5pts

 @#sheem I didn't.  Just speculating about the deserving more time.  He did have his best game as a pro last night

Air Bud
Air Bud 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

David Thorpe discussing Thabeet is very good insight.

Thorpe mentions Kevin Martin calling him and talking about Thabeet after the Charlotte game and their time in Orlando working out together.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Skyline He does not explain how he apparently lost track of / touch with Thabeet during his years of wandering.  Thabeet probably stopped coming and paying him.

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