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Wednesday Bolts – 11.7.12

by Royce Young on November 7, 2012 at 11:15 am 220 Comments

Ben Detrick of Grantland says it’s OK to hate the Thunder now: “But you’re finally allowed to hate the Thunder. It’s OK. After the franchise jettisoned Harden in a move that emphasized profits ahead of chemistry or winning or anything to do with basketball, we have been given the rare opportunity to reevaluate whether Oklahoma City deserves our allegiance. Let’s call this the Harden Schism. For those who claim that Harden should have accepted underpayment out of loyalty to his billionaire employers, the Thunder’s success will be proof that no stupid sixth man deserves the kind of contract earned by young superstars like Roy Hibbert, Brook Lopez, and Eric Gordon. But if you believe the trade was a cynical, foolhardy, greedy act that deprived fans of watching a fantastic young triad elevate a team to Xanadu, Oklahoma City has to suffer its comeuppance. The Thunder must lose.”

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports: “Why didn’t officials give him longer than an hour to consider a final four-year, $54 million offer before trading him? “After everything we established — everything we had done — you give me an hour?” Harden told Yahoo! Sports on Monday afternoon. “This was one of the biggest decisions of my life. I wanted to go home and pray about it. It hurt me. It hurt.” Asked if additional time might have caused him to accept a deal several million dollars short of the $60 million maximum contract Harden had long sought, he responded: “Who knows? Another day, who knows what another day would’ve done?”

Let me just say this about Harden’s comments: It’s complete garbage. The Thunder made the situation especially clear to Harden days prior to trading him. It wasn’t like this happened over one hour. Harden and his agent wanted to stall OKC out so that Presti lost his trade to Houston and the Thunder were just forced to hang on to him, to which meant Harden would become a restricted free agent. Harden trying to claim he was hurt by this is so ridiculous.

Ben Golliver of SI.com on it: “With all those factors in mind, we can’t reasonably fault Presti for handling this situation as he did, and neither should Harden. Here, he’s trying to have it both ways: he wanted a total victory, or close to it, in the negotiations and he wanted at least two organizations’ best interests held up while waiting for his determination. Ultimatums concerning 23-year-old future All-Stars and fan favorites are a last resort and one borne from months of communication. If Harden was surprised by or unprepared to respond to the ultimatum when it was delivered, he has no one to blame but himself and his representative. Harden asking Presti to wait, potentially compromising the GM’s already tenuous leverage with the Rockets and any back-up plans, is less reasonable than Presti delivering his “Take it or we trade you” ultimatum.”"

Brett Pollakoff of PBT on it: “That may seem harsh, but the Thunder were just trying to shift the negotiating leverage in the team’s favor by shortening Harden’s window to accept. OKC likely knew Harden wasn’t budging off of his max deal demand, so this was one last desperate attempt to try to get him to make a quick decision that was in the team’s best interest, and not the player’s. It’s the reality of business in the NBA, no different than that of any other industry. Harden has the right to be hurt by how it all went down, but he’s clearly in a better situation in Houston — both financially and professionally. It’s time to embrace it.”

Zach Harper of CBSSports.com’s take: “After all, he had far more than an hour to decide if he wanted to re-sign with OKC before the deadline. But it makes you wonder if the Thunder had told Houston they needed one more day to give Harden time to make a decision, would the Rockets have decided a deal couldn’t be done? I would wager the answer is no. If Houston pressured the Thunder to get this done, knowing it might get them the franchise player they’ve been dying to acquire over the past couple of years then it was a brilliant strategy. Regardless, it’s fun to see Harden on his own, figuring out how to lead a team at the NBA level. He gets to have his immense talent showcased every night. I just hope the line of questioning over the next three weeks doesn’t focus about what possibly went wrong with Harden and OKC and we get to focus on the excellent play on the court.”

At ESPN.com a recap of last night’s game.

KD tweeted last night: “4 more! What a great night”

Zach Lowe of Grantland: “Presti has surely at least contemplated the idea that inadvertently taking a small step back wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. But as I wrote after the Harden deal, finances forced Oklahoma City’s hand, and within that imposed reality, they sought a middle ground: acquire a solid complementary player that could help the team remain a real championship threat given continued development of the holdover stars, while also clearing the cap sheet and piling up more cheap young assets. Presti had the option to wait — to “go for it” with the same core — but he chose not to. That doesn’t mean he’s willingly yielding the floor to LeBron.”

Darnell Mayberry on last night: “You can see Thabeet growing more confident by the game. He talked a ton of smack tonight, most notably barking at Andrea Bargnani right to his face. When he pulled down a rebound in the first half, he yanked it from a pesky Kyle Lowry and then stared at him like he was stupid before making the outlet pass. It’s little things like that that prove he’s getting more comfortable. I can’t imagine he did a bunch of that at his previous stops.”

Colt Westbrook of Baller Ball breaking Westbrook’s Why Not campaign.

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dollarbillrussell
dollarbillrussell 5pts

Superstars like Brook Lopez?….

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Oh, for the love of all that is Holy

 

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=370057103082139&set=a.140352056052646.36610.102307106523808&type=1&theater

slimjimzv
slimjimzv 5pts

 @Lambchop  That is awesome.  So much good stuff in there!

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lambchop  damn you beat me to it

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

new post. no link. suck it up.

As Promised
As Promised 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

On other news!  Obama won a second term, I totally forgot about it with the being accepted into CSU Humboldt and watching Prometheus!

RRRWHOAAAA
RRRWHOAAAA 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @thelaughingwiseman and congrats on CSU Humboldt 

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @thelaughingwiseman you missed a very....emotional discussion last night lol

RRRWHOAAAA
RRRWHOAAAA 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @bmuelle21  @thelaughingwiseman man.. livefyre was so messed up yesterday... i cant even go back and read any of the comments its still tripping

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @RRRWHATEVER  @thelaughingwiseman half*

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @RRRWHATEVER  @thelaughingwiseman i think have of them got deleted lol

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @bmuelle21  @thelaughingwiseman Good thing it wasn't on the DT after dark weekend, where the drunks dwell.

 

#iamoneofthosedrunks

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

hmmm.  DT has been jacked up for me all day.  No fun.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @cemitten http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/gen3sooner/smilies/fred2.gif

Grolgar
Grolgar 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I missed most of the game because of democracy last night... Any way to see Thabeet's highlights? I don't believe it...

slimjimzv
slimjimzv 5pts

 @Grolgar I literally never thought I'd see the words "Thabeet" and "highlight" next to each other.

Grolgar
Grolgar 5pts

Maybe Royce could create a Thabeet mix ala the Collison screens/charges one done previously...

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Grolgar And six fouls.  If he fouls less and somehow keeps this up he'll be a decent backup.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Grolgar He really wasn't that terrible his rookie season if you don't consider he was 2nd pick in the draft.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @Grolgar Lot of season left.  He seems motivated.  If he can give us about what he gave Memphis in his rookie season he'd be an okay backup.

Grolgar
Grolgar 5pts

 @justin_mia Seriously though. Who would have thought that this might work out a few months ago? The OKC culture is nothing to sneeze at....

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @justin_mia  @Grolgar

 If he can just stay on the floor and rotate correctly he has a place on a good team. If he can keep is DRTG up and increase his DRB% and  finish a put back he has a place on this championship team.

OKman
OKman 5pts

 @justin_mia  @Grolgar Haha he really has a 94.2 true shooting percentage? I would never have thought to look it up before but that's too funny

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Grolgar He is not going to sustain 94.2% TS.  His DRB% is low, and he is turning if over a 27% of the time he has it.  His DRTG is quite good though.  Expect his scoring prowess to drop a lot, but if he can rebound better and continue having a good defensive impact...

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @Grolgar  @justin_mia Nazr equivalent with a little higher ceiling.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Grolgar Serviceable.  Worthy of 10-12 minutes a game on a good team.

Grolgar
Grolgar 5pts

 @justin_mia When you say decent, do you mean better than Nazr decent or better than Robert Swift decent.

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @Grolgar Synopsis: A finish or two at the basket, a couple of rebounds with authority, and made freethrows. BD says he has a nice stroke.

PJthe3 bka ...
PJthe3 bka ... 5pts

@D-MC @Grolgar & telling bargnani maybe 5 times to shut the fcuk up. Up close & personal

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

When do we see the alternate uni's? have they scrapped them thanks to 2k?

slimjimzv
slimjimzv 5pts

 @PerkPunt They're still trying to figure out how to spell "Thunder". 

The Doctor
The Doctor 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @PerkPunt Don't know when they will debut, but I will say that they do exist. That is all I can say.

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts

 @PerkPunt I thought it wasn't til Christmas.

beelieve035
beelieve035 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ou_sas  @PerkPunt All the teams are getting those Christmas jerseys. I don't know what happened to the alternate jerseys that Presti was talking about.

beelieve035
beelieve035 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @D-MC  @ou_sas  @PerkPunt I know that. Lol

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @novelisticbee0  @ou_sas  @PerkPunt Good lord, it's 4 games in.

As Promised
As Promised 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

I don't know about you guys, but I think KM was a really great substitute for Harden.  Who else could have filled in his void much better then K-Mart.  I mean he is one of the best glue guys I've seen.  I really think he would have been great with Fisher and Collison last year.  This year he is basically the elder statesmen with Collison, and I really like what he can teach the younger players.

GAP
GAP 5pts

 @thelaughingwiseman I'll probably get killed for this but, if we couldn't get Kmart I would've liked OJ Mayo in Harden's role off the bench...

PJthe3 bka ...
PJthe3 bka ... 5pts

@thelaughingwiseman not to mention, he's a very good 2G

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

@thelaughingwiseman yep I agree

Air Bud
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K-Mart on Thabeet: “He’s a much improved player from the last time I saw him. I don’t know what’s in this water up here, but it’s good. He’s been tremendous. I’m sure he’ll keep on being motivated to play like that.”

 

Someone needs to look into this water that K-Mart is referring to.

ChristianRay2
ChristianRay2 5pts

 @Skyline

 Bolts missed this from Hoopsworld - more good K-Mart quotes: http://www.hoopsworld.com/new-and-improved-hasheem-thabeet-emerging/

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts

 @ChristianRay2  I believe that Royce doensn't ever link to hoopsworld.  If not hoopsworld it was some site similar.

ChristianRay2
ChristianRay2 5pts

 @cemitten

 Too bad since we have a local Thunder-friendly writer who works for them..she even holds chats on the site.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @Skyline

 i hope its not the same water that  gets women pregnant at will. that water is bad.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts

 @PerkPunt  @Skyline Unless you like kids. :)

twistdov
twistdov 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Skyline So encouraging to see Thabeet keep his head in the game defensively. He can actually catch passes & finish at the bucket...bonus

thunder_mike
thunder_mike 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @twistdov  @Skyline Seriously, I think Thabeet has way better hands than Serge and Perk. Him and Collison on the floor together seems like it'll open up our pick and roll game. He doesn't score very smoothly so hopefully teams will keep bailing him out with fouls under the basket.

KellOne
KellOne 5pts

 @OBoyzOld Man  @thunder_mike  @twistdov  @Skyline Maynor's shots all look like lobs so I'm always surprised when one goes in the net

OBoyzOld Man
OBoyzOld Man 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @thunder_mike  @twistdov  @Skyline

 Agree that pairing Hasheem with Nick is really good.  Throw in KMart for the back door cuts and it gets interesting.  Would like to see Maynor fake his running floater and occasionally give Hash a mini-lob at the rim.

OBoyzOld Man
OBoyzOld Man 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @twistdov  @Skyline

 And don't forget his breakaway speed and ball handling!

Watched the game on TV and could tell he was working very hard - great to see.  When he fouled out he sat down between Russ and Perk who were really giving him a hard time in a good way.  Looks like they are bonding.

OBoyzOld Man
OBoyzOld Man 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @PerkPunt  @twistdov  @Skyline

 Russ in his "Shaq voice."

 

Meanwhile, Perk was saying "at the end of the day, let me know when you catch up with me on technical fouls."

OBoyzOld Man
OBoyzOld Man 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

 @PerkPunt  @twistdov  @Skyline

 Pretty sure Russ was saying "No more fouls for you, bro."

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @OBoyzOld Man  @twistdov  @Skyline

 yeah i sawe that too. Russ seems to shake his head like the cookie monster when he talks. its funny to me.

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