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Lost in Help: On Serge Ibaka’s room to grow

by Royce Young on December 5, 2012 at 1:07 pm 295 Comments

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Per usual, Zach Lowe of Grantland wrote a really interesting piece on the Thunder and more specifically, Serge Ibaka, dissecting things after almost 20 games. The conclusion was this: Ibaka is playing better than ever, on both ends. And that’s been a really important part to OKC’s 15-4 start.

Ibaka’s still maintaining his shot blocking chops — averaging 3.26 a game, best in the league — but he’s also a much steadier pick-and-roll presence, a better communicator and an improving post defender.

Ibaka’s evolution this season has been tremendous, and a big part why the Thunder have improved on both ends of the floor. Lowe notes a great stat: “A whopping 78.7 percent of his baskets have come via dimes from teammates, up from 67.6 percent last season, per NBA.com.” That means two things: 1) The Thunder are looking for a Ibaka a whole lot more and 2) Russell Westbrook is looking for Ibaka a whole lot more.

There’s no question Ibaka has taken a giant leap forward offensively. His scoring is up, he’s consistently involved and he’s much more aggressive. The other end though, still needs some refinement.

Lowe highlighted the third quarter breakdown OKC had when the Nets went small. Ibaka was covering Gerald Wallace and the Nets shot their way back from a 16-point deficit. It was painfully reminiscent of Shane Battier drilling the Thunder in the Finals. To which if OKC gets back to the Finals again against the Heat, the Thunder, and Ibaka, need to be better prepared. Two plays of note from Tuesday:

The possession before this, the Nets ran the same action and Jerry Stackhouse drilled a 3. You could really make the case that Ibaka leaving Wallace this open was as much Eric Maynor’s fault as it was his. Maynor overhedged on Deron Williams and was late getting back to Stackhouse. This caused Ibaka to shade Stackhouse’s way — again, with that last 3 in his head.

This type of play is forgivable. It happens. You helped, were a touch late getting back, got a solid contest anyway, but an NBA player made a shot. Next play, move on.

The second though was more frustrating.

Same action from the Nets again, this time Maynor felt it all a little better. He got back to Stackhouse and took away the 3. Stackhouse though put the ball hard on the floor attacking the paint. Ibaka’s instinct said, “GUY GOING TO THE BASKET ENGAGE BLOCK SHOT PROTOCOL.”

Instead, he’s got to know that of course Nick Collison will be rotating over perfectly to cut off the drive. So Ibaka is left standing there, basically in no man’s land. Not helping on Stackhouse’s drive and certainly not covering Wallace.

Like I said last night, a lot of this has to do with Scott Brooks deciding not to match up. A questionable choice, but he was trying to get Durant some rest before the fourth quarter and with Perry Jones III being in the D-League (as well as not ready to handle the situation), Brooks didn’t really have a great option.

Fourth quarter though, the Thunder went big against the Nets small and it worked. Ibaka learned his lesson, stayed home and didn’t get caught with his hand in the cookie jar any.

Point is this with Ibaka: He’s getting better. And still has a lot more room to grow on where he’s already at. I have a feeling in another year or two, we’ll be talking about Ibaka’s four-year, $48 million deal as one of the best in the league.

His offensive development is just going to keep progressing though. He’s got the hard part figured out. He can shoot. He has good touch around the rim, he’s catching better and with Durant and Westbrook including him as a real third wheel, he’s a legit weapon. The next things on his plate are adding more of a dribble-drive game, more post-ups and maybe extend out to the 3-point line a little more. The crazy thing with Ibaka is that none of that stuff seems unreasonable. With how far he’s come the past few years, if he was running point guard and pick-and-rolls in two years, I’m not so sure I’d be shocked.

On the defensive end, he’s getting there too. It’s the little things like court awareness and feeling where your help is. He knows he can block almost anything. His timing and ability to use his length and raw jumping power is unreal. But what makes a defender truly elite is being able to combat all situations. He’s getting better against pick-and-rolls. He’s better on the ball. He’s better leaving his man and rotating at the right time. He’s better at defending centers.

But he’s not great at any of it, which just means he needs to get better. Which to Ibaka, is no big deal.

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supreme35
supreme35 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/12/kevin-durant-named-western-player-of-the-month/

 

KD is awesome.. yada yada yada.

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts

new post

beelieve035
beelieve035 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @cemitten No links, no like. :p

beelieve035
beelieve035 5pts

Geez. I forgot the Clippers still had Grant Hill...

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @novelisticbee0 They've had Grant Hill in the same way the Lakers have had Steve Nash.

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Heheheheh....

dream catcher
dream catcher 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I been watching replays of some of our recent games, and has anyone else been really impressed with KD's defensive awareness?  His rotations are much tighter and he generally knows where to go.  Wish he was a bit more physical and closed out on shooters a tad better, but he has come a long way defensively.

HookemKD
HookemKD 5pts

 @dream catcher I've noticed it since the beginning of the  season. hes becoming an elite defender and everyone is overlooking it. The gap between Durant and LeBron and whoever is the third best player in the NBA is truly amazing, and it's only getting bigger

blueRAP
blueRAP 5pts

Here's a set of higher res pics of Russ wearing the newest Js for you fellow sneaker heads 

 

http://solecollector.com/news/russell-westbrook-debuts-air-jordan-xx8/#axzz2E2Ect3F4

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @blueRAP http://solecollector.com/media/sneakers/images/SC%20Russ%20XX8%204.jpg

 

 

this picture does not scream ankle stability

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

 @cemitten  @blueRAP "Russ the shoe would look cooler if there was absolutely no ankle support"

 

"why not"

 

"you mean you want ankle support or don't want it?"

 

"why not"

lbst405
lbst405 5pts

Anyone else heard about a deal involving Kendrick Perkins and Anderson Varejao?

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @lbst405 About 343280974382473284738 times if you read DT over the past couple of weeks.

lbst405
lbst405 5pts

 @ou_sas

 ahhh I guess I have not been reading it as much lately.. I saw an article yesterday based out of Cleveland saying they were looking at us because of our future draft picks.

lbst405
lbst405 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ou_sas

 lol it is okay. I like the trade too except for the fact that Anderson is 30. It would definitely be a major upgrade at the center position though.

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @lbst405 Sorry I was being facetious. There's a lot of people on the board who would love that move to happen, that's all.

S4TISF4CTION
S4TISF4CTION 5pts

 @lbst405  @ou_sas No. Please tell me more. :)

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Ibaka and Perk have become a great tandem last few games.

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

Playing 3-2 Zone you almost live with the 3 point shooting.  But Ibaka was cheating way to much and he lost where GW was.  Which compounded it.  Funny to hear explanations here.

SoCal Thunder
SoCal Thunder 5pts

Do you guys see Ibaka getting some Most Improved Player votes? 

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @SoCal Thunder yes, but I think there is a better chance of winning DPOY

areayewhy
areayewhy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @SoCal Thunder I think Felton could get it. He's been playing pretty well for the Knicks after getting benched for Nolan Smith last year.

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @areayewhy  @SoCal Thunder dropping 630lbs will do that :P

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts

 @SoCal Thunder some yes, but probably not winning it.

RRRWHOAAAA
RRRWHOAAAA 5pts

 @Legendary_Dork  @SoCal Thunder Not unless he really beasts on on national tv on a day when KD and Russ have an off night, or does a long double double streak or something. it would have to become a much bigger storyline

RRRWHOAAAA
RRRWHOAAAA 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Ibaka leads all PFs is FG%

RRRWHOAAAA
RRRWHOAAAA 5pts

and is 3rd if FT%

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @RRRWHATEVER Speaking about PFs....

 

Is Carmelo in your list? Knicks have been playing him at the 4 and he's "Flourishing"

LOOOOOOL

 

supreme35
supreme35 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=283397

 

Scoring Charts for the top 5 scorers in the league. KD is kind of good.

okcjim
okcjim 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Is Iggy a free agent after this year? I thought he had one more year. He seems like that type that might do w discounted deal to win one

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

Would you rather hav Iggy or Martin?

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

More offense than Thabo with similar defense and more defense than Martin.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @okcjim  @OBoy  @Legendary_Dork I still wouldn't pay him any more than about 8 million. 

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

@OBoy Jones III @Legendary_Dork I did say if he signed for cheap to win one and he's a lot better offensive player than Thabo. Not even close

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Legendary_Dork  @okcjim I would like Iggy in 5 years when he's cheap and wants to win a ring and he'll probably be a better shooter by then. Similar to Battier. 

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts

 @OBoy Jones III  @Legendary_Dork  @okcjim PREACH

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Legendary_Dork  @okcjim you want to pay 13 million dollars more than Thabo for a little more offense?

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts

 @okcjim true, but i think iggy would want MORE than what thabo wants..plus a healthy thabo is doing us well. 

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts

 @okcjim hmmmmmm.......  idk really.  I think martin fits us..but i have no idea. Iggy would fit here too .........MEEEEEEEEEEEEEH  *head explodes*!

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @#sheem  @Legendary_Dork  @okcjim he won't get 16 pts scored on him in 1 quarter like KMart does routinely

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

@#sheem @Legendary_Dork try picking up Thabo for him and you'll appreciate him.

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Legendary_Dork  @okcjim Iggy does not look to score. He's the most frustrating player I have on my fantasy roster. He shouldnt replace either Sef or Martin because he'll cost more for no real extra benefit

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts

 @okcjim id love iggy on this team, but thabo is playing extremely well, if iggy wanted to come off the BENCH then id consider it, but hes an all star.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @okcjim he has an early opt out clause i think. Monta Ellis does too. 

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @okcjim

 He'd want to start ....

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts

 @PerkPunt  @okcjim NO NO NO NO NO NO...might as well stick with Sef. 

 

 

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

Martin will not get offered much this season, houston was looking to trade him for awhile.

Air Bud
Air Bud 5pts

 @Lost Ones That was before he put on a Thunder jersey.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @Skyline what has he shown in a thunder jersey? 

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @Lost Ones  @Skyline the ability to score like 7 most of the time when we play good teams, and get scored on a lot by the opposition's bench 2 guards.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

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