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Saturday Morning Cartoons: Rookie Russ

by Royce Young on December 29, 2012 at 8:00 am 292 Comments

Good weekend. Thank you for your support of Daily Thunder. The D is silent.

With some criticism of Russell Westbrook resurfacing lately, I thought it would be interesting to look back and see how far he’s come. Remember his rookie season? He started the season playing behind Earl Watson, then finally took over point guarding duties when Scott Brooks became the coach. He shot under 40 percent, turned the ball over like crazy and while he clearly had upside, nobody saw this kind of upside.

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stg609
stg609 5pts

he'd have more assists if he could kick it out to Lamb 

AIaska
AIaska 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

http://dailythunder.com/2012/12/thunder-at-rockets-pregame-primer-8/#respond

 

If anyone is still around here

D@nny
D@nny 5pts

Good for Ollie + his handsome mustache: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8790495/kevin-ollie-uconn-huskies-basketball-coach-receives-new-five-year-contract

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

Going to be a rough game

AIaska
AIaska 5pts

 @OkcBaby for why?

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @AIaska  @OkcBaby harden is going to get a lot of bs calls 

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @Lost Ones  @AIaska  @OkcBaby in the OKC game we got away with hacking the shiz out of him all game. It's like the refs were on our side

KidCanada13
KidCanada13 5pts

I think that we should trade Toronto's pick for some established players. With the team we have now, we have a chance to do great things. We can't draft players who are unproven and have to develop them. We are then just wasting KD, Russ, Serge and everyone else's youth and talent. The only problem I see with this is when their contracts are done if we'll be able to keep them. I also don't see Stern allowing a powerhouse like OKC to have the 4th overall pick once the lottery rolls around.

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Thunderman
Thunderman 5pts

Funny. No wonder we don't hear much from him

Daddy V
Daddy V 5pts

I think he looks so much smaller in this video, not more muscular. 

CDNBallJunkie
CDNBallJunkie 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

He seemed to have had a slightly different shot base in his rookie season. He gets WAY more elevation on his shot now.

KidCanada13
KidCanada13 5pts

@CDNBallJunkie I agree. The ball seems to sit differently in his hands too.

T-Fred
T-Fred 5pts

WojYahooNBA Y! Sources: With more knee trouble, Minnesota's Brandon Roy considers retirement again. http://t.co/Qf2gziJ4 12/29/12 1:56 PM

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts

CAN'T WAIT FOR HARDEN REVENGE PART DEUX

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

GAME TONIGHT

AIaska
AIaska 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

My girlfriend and I were visiting family for christmas so we just had second christmas. She got me league pass, a thunder snuggie and thunder struck.

 

I'M GONNA MARRY HER

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @AIaska They make Thunder snuggies? lol

AIaska
AIaska 5pts

 @Tronchaser YES

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Going to the big city (Norman) to shop.  Someone be ready to give me a full recap of today's goings-on when I return.  :)

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 Don't forget to go here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqqdmeY3nU

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @EatSleepThunder

 Thanks.  Now I have a mental soundtrack for today.

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 Oh.... I guess Perk stole the show.

Or was it Reggie.

Or Collison...

Or Thabo.......

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @EatSleepThunder

I barely even noticed him . . .

 EatSleepThunder
EatSleepThunder 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 Especially the Serge part, right ;)

El Prez
El Prez 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 KennyGee...sigh.

 

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I'm glad they phased out the yellow on the court. The blue looks so much better.

ThunderPeakes
ThunderPeakes 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Does anyone else notice how ungodly more muscular he is since his rookie season? Wolverine definitely put in some work, or got his bones replaced with adamantium. Also, its so crazy to see all those old thunder players.

Sigmund
Sigmund 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I say Westbrook TS% would be around 55 if we played small. Lebron, Wade, Bosh all having most efficient seasons of their career.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Sigmund I actually agree

As Promised
As Promised 5pts

how long can Russ keep up this form of play?  It's just gnarly.  I'd like him to develop as a facilitator over time.  He's already developing a post game

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

at their absolute best is there a better pg than Nash offensively...

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @kennygee90 Ever?  Active?  Today?  I think you're wrong on all three counts.  

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @justin_mia I meant today... who do you think is better

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @Sigmund  @Lost Ones  @senseandsenescence yea and i give westbrook alot of credit for that...his one of the best PG's in this league and will go down as one of the best if he stays healthy

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts

 @kennygee90  @Lost Ones He hasn't for the last two years.

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts

 @Sigmund  The only answer is YES!

Sigmund
Sigmund 5pts

 @kennygee90  @Lost Ones  @senseandsenescence Westbrook lead better and more efficient than CP3 and Nash in past three years. Is he better?

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @Lost Ones  @senseandsenescence  then how does nash lead a better and more efficient offense than CP3 every year

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts

 @kennygee90 *compared to Nash.

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts

 @kennygee90 That's fair.  I was mostly mocking some of your prior tendencies to downplay everything but passing from a point guard.  If you've come around on that (and not just on your homeboy Magic) then welcome to the club.

 

http://bkref.com/tiny/01TI4

 

That's seasons greater than 45% AST% and greater than 110 ORtg.  Team ORtg would be better, but I don't know an easy way to show that in one chart.  Gives Magic a fairer shake, but both him and Stockton and Paul look better in this chart too.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @senseandsenescence  because AST% doesn't tell me anything other than how much another team relies on their PG for scores...it doesn't tell me whose better...

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @senseandsenescence  @kennygee90 Never considered Magic Johnson a "pure" point guard in the same reign that Cp3 isn't one.

El Prez
El Prez 5pts

 @senseandsenescence  @kennygee90

 

Even Lakerboy doesn't deserve that one. High elbow to the head....two minutes in the penalty box. Good to see you back though.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @senseandsenescence  @Lost Ones  @kennygee90 Triumphant return.

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts

 @kennygee90 I thought we were just saying things that we blindly believed, not things that were true?

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lost Ones  @kennygee90 Honestly all "pure" point guards tend to be turnover prone particularly early in their careers.  Rondo is still pretty bad.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @senseandsenescence if you say so...

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @Lost Ones  @senseandsenescence okay, but he is still a superior passer and with better vision than every pg in this league

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @kennygee90 Well Perkins is a better passer than Magic, so I guess that doesn't say much.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @senseandsenescence yet magic is a better passer than all of em..

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @kennygee90  @senseandsenescence you do realize that Magic was incredibly turnover prone in the beginning of his career correct?

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @kennygee90  Not even close.  Some food for thought:  Only Stockton, Paul, Nash and Rondo have ever put up a 50 AST% season.  Stockton averaged that over his career.

 

http://bkref.com/tiny/oqD88

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @senseandsenescence  @Lost Ones even at pure point guard, Magic is still better....his passing and vision is legendary and in another world even compared to Nash

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Lost Ones  @kennygee90 Don't necessarily disagree.  Kenny only cares about pure point guards though ;)

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @kennygee90  @justin_mia nice way to add another goal post in the endzone.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @Lost Ones  @justin_mia  i'd take both cause their both really clutch

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @senseandsenescence  @kennygee90 Pure point guard yea, better point guard nah. I wish we could have seen Stockton outside of sloans system.

senseandsenescence
senseandsenescence 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @kennygee90 Magic sucks.  Stockton is a better pure point guard.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @justin_mia  @Lost Ones their skill level, talent and efficiency...who would you take

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @kennygee90  @justin_mia Offensively how? based on percentages? you'd rather have nash in the clutch then cp3?

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @kennygee90  @Lost Ones Based on what?

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @Lost Ones  @justin_mia i said offensively? if you bring up defense then CP3 is better, and overall is a better PG but offensively i'll take nash over him

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @Sigmund  @justin_mia I don't go by advanced stats...any stat that has a pg other than Magic Johnson as number 1 is stupid IMO

Sigmund
Sigmund 5pts

 @kennygee90  @justin_mia Nash is turnover prone. You do realize Chris Paul is greatest PG of all time based on advanced stats?

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @kennygee90  @justin_mia now i see why people hate on you.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @justin_mia offensively???..Nash is more efficient than Paul and is a better passer, more vision and shooter than paul...

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @kennygee90 Chris Paul?  Hello?

El Prez
El Prez 5pts

 @kennygee90

 

Has Nash ever played in an NBA Finals?

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @El Prez no pg has led hit team to the finals since Jason Kidd 

AIaska
AIaska 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

 @kennygee90  @El Prez this coming from a guy who says nothing but RINGS when arguing about kobe

El Prez
El Prez 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @kennygee90 His proper legacy as a player.

 

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @El Prez no...whats that gotta do with anything tho

El Prez
El Prez 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @kennygee90

 

I didn't ask if he'd led, I asked if he's ever been on a team which has advanced to the NBA Finals?

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @El Prez his*

Sigmund
Sigmund 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @kennygee90 Chris Paul is much better. Even better than prime Nash.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts

 @Sigmund you really think his better offensively ...You know Nash has led a top 3 offense the last 10 years

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