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Thunder Player Power Rankings: Moving on

by Royce Young on December 17, 2012 at 2:12 pm 67 Comments

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WEEK 1 | WEEK 2 | WEEK 4 | WEEK 5 | WEEK 6

Of all the weeks of the Thunder’s season, this one was probably the most uneventful. Two games, both at home, playing the Hornets and the Kings.

Entering the week, the Thunder were riding an eight-game win streak and if that were to come to an end at home with those two teams coming to town, that would’ve been a pretty solid disappointment. Instead, it’s 10 straight and a pretty 19-4 record, the best start in OKC franchise history.

But things are about to get tougher and the Thunder are going to get a bunch of opportunities to start validating that record. It starts tonight at home against the Spurs, then at the Hawks, at Minnesota and at Miami. If this winning streak goes to 14, then something special is going on.

You can only win the games in front of you though and that’s what the Thunder are doing. After a semi-shaky 1-2 start, OKC’s won 18 of their last 20 and have developed a clear chemistry on the floor, playing as well as they ever have. At some point, they’re going to lose. And then lose again. And then lose probably 15 more times.

I think.

Rank ‘em:

1. Kevin Durant (Last week: 1)

Durant’s scoring by quarter: 6.0, 6.5, 7.7, 8.1. Somehow, Durant has that ability to sort of coast for a game and awaken at the push of a button. It’s like the Durantula signal goes into the sky and he appears late in the game to rescue the Thunder. He took four shots in the first half against the Hornets scoring 10 points. In the second, he took 16 and scored 25, most of it in the fourth quarter. It’s just a sick ability to have, to be able to flip a switch and takeover. And I think it intimidates the hell out of opponents.

2. Russell Westbrook (Last week 2)

There’s a little bit of chatter about Westbrook making an All-Defense team. Still early, but it’s true: Westbrook’s defense is better this season. It’s still not elite by any means though.

Point guard is probably the hardest defensive position to play because you’re forced to guard pretty much every single possession. You have an attacking threat coming out you every time down the floor. Per Synergy, Westbrook is allowing 0.84 points per possession, a pretty solid mark for point guard (for comparison, Chris Paul, a respected defender, is allowing 0.89). Where Westbrook is elite, is in defending isolation. He ranks 13th in the league in points allowed per possession at just 0.55. Where he struggles is in spot-up situations, allowing 1.17 points per possession. The reason for it is Westbrook’s still a gambler, jumping passing lanes and trying to wreak havoc on an offense by flying around the court.

Still, opponents are shooting under 40 percent against him and opposing point guards have a PER of just 14.8 per 48 minutes when guarded by him

He’s better this season. It’s an area he’s improved in and I think part of it is due to his energy management. He’s understanding more how to play both ends of the floor with even energy, instead of putting so much in at different times. He’s a little less emotional and doesn’t seem to be letting bad offensive possessions affect him as much on the defensive end.

Westbrook has the ability to be an elite, lockdown defender. He was in college and a big part of his draft status was based around that. He’s blossomed into an offensive weapon that no one saw coming. But it appears that defense might finally be catching up a bit.

3. Kevin Martin (Last week: 5)

There’s been a lot of talk about KD going 50-40-90, but watch out for Martin who is 46.4-46.8-93.3 right now. Think about that: The Thunder have two guys flirting with 50-40-90 through the first quarter of the season. That’s ridiculous.

It’s no coincidence that Martin is shooting career-highs from everywhere though. He’s getting better looks than ever and while he’s taking about five shots fewer per game than he has throughout his career, his scoring is still on track. I can’t shake one thing about Martin: It’s a shame he came to the Thunder were he was 29, not 25.

4. Serge Ibaka (Last week: 4)

Question: Say it was Ibaka, not Harden, that held out for the max deal and wanted an alpha role. Say he got it. What do you think his numbers would look like this season?

My opinion: I don’t think they’d be as good. He might be averaging a point or two more a game, but it’s obvious to me that Ibaka flourishes as an outlet option. He’s not really a guy you run plays for. More of a guy you find open within the flow. And with Westbrook and Durant drawing so much attention, it has helped Ibaka blossom into a terrific scoring weapon.

Check Ibaka’s percentages by area: 78.7 percent at the rim, 50.0 percent 3-9 feet, 66.7 percent 10-15 feet, 48.0 percent 16-23 feet. He’s fifth in the league in field goal percentage but the four guys in front of him — Chandler, Splitter, McGee and Jordan — barely ever step outside the paint. There isn’t a player in the league has the kind of percentages Ibaka does right now.

5. Nick Collison (Last week: 3)

I couldn’t think of anything to write this week about Collison and yet here he sits No. 5. I think that says it all.

6. Thabo Sefolosha (Last week: 7)

Got an interesting question posed to me this week: Which player is more valuable, Perk or Thabo?

The case for Thabo: He’s much more versatile and while primarily a defensive specialist, he contributes offensively with his spot-up shooting, passing and cutting. He’s an elite wing defender that can successfully guard the likes of Kobe, Wade, Tony Parker and Chris Paul. He’s got a great contract and is an ideal role player. He knows his job, and does it well. He’s one of those perfect glue guys to have.

7. Kendrick Perkins (Last week: 6)

The case for Perk: While he lumbers around and doesn’t look pretty on the floor, he solidified OKC’s biggest weakness when he came over in the trade. The Thunder now defend the paint especially well and the ability to match up with basically any combination of players you throw at them. Perk doesn’t put up numbers, but he’s one of the few big men that can defend Dwight Howard, Marc Gasol or Andrew Bynum. A wing defender is far more replaceable than a post defender — it’s why Perk makes a lot more money than Thabo.

The verdict: I sort of lean towards Perk because I think Thabo would be easier to replace. Big men that can defend are limited. But Thabo is so very clearly better than Perk at what he does. Tough choice.

8. Eric Maynor (Last week: 8)

Did you know Maynor had seven assists against the Kings? Somehow, I missed that. There are signs of life here. I think Maynor is coming around. He’s more confident, he’s more aggressive with his mid-range game and he’s attacking a bit more. He’s not there, but I think he’s given Scott Brooks enough reason to keep trying him.

9. Reggie Jackson (Last week: 10)

I’m not sure what the game against the Hornets did, but it certainly opened some eyes. Jackson can be a weapon when deployed properly. He seems far more comfortable and confident as a guy that can playmake and not think than a guy running an offense. Against the Kings he stepped in and turned the ball over three straight times and didn’t appear to have a good feel at all running the show. But as an energy guy, someone to defend and create, he looked smooth and confident.

There’s something there with Jackson. It’s just about figuring out where he’s best used.

10. Hasheem Thabeet (Last week: 9)

Kind of fallen off the face of the planet the past couple weeks, hasn’t he? Since his first career double-double, Thabeet’s best game was probably against the Jazz where he had three points and six rebounds.

11. Jeremy Lamb (Last week: 12)

His most recent game in Tulsa: 26 points on 10-12 shooting including 6-8 from 3. It’s the D-League, yes. But that’s pretty good even in a Saturday pick-up game.

12. DeAndre Liggins (Last week: 12)

He’s the only one of the Tulsa Four that scored in an actual Thunder game this week, but he gets dropped because of the shirt he wore postgame after the Hornets game. It looked like this. I’m not even kidding.

Inactives: Perry Jones III, Daniel Orton

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BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Lezzgo...http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/12/spurs-vs-thunder-pregame-primer-6/#respond

Stephen Jackson is not about this spelling
Stephen Jackson is not about this spelling 5pts

I'm praying for another Ibaka perfect game, if only for the Tim Duncan eye-rolls that will ensue.

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts

I forgot to update my fantasy roster.  played eli over cam and started 2 wr's that were out.  ugh.   Only lost by 2 points.  Just awful.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@cemitten We're not used to losing around here....so you should probably blow up your roster, Scott Brooks.

twistdov
twistdov 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

THUNDER.....ROLL UP TO THE SCENE WIT YO CEILING MISSIN'

RRRWHOAAAA
RRRWHOAAAA 5pts

Who's worried?

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 7 Like

 @RRRWHATEVER 

You mean about the game or just in general?  :)

RRRWHOAAAA
RRRWHOAAAA 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 lol the game, i assume we're all worried in general. everyone's cool now, but let us lose a ten point lead in the third quarter...

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @ThunderWins  @RRRWHATEVER 

I'm definitely a Chicken Little on the inside after a loss--even if I don't say it.  :)

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @ThunderChick2010  @RRRWHATEVER Thunder team are a resilient bunch.  

Thunder fans are like Chicken Little.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @RRRWHATEVER 

Seriously, when we do lose, I really worry more about Daily Thunder bouncing back than our team doing so. 

BrockSuede
BrockSuede 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ThunderChick2010  @RRRWHATEVER I'm worried that Lamb and Orton will only get 10 minutes of garbage time.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

 @RRRWHATEVER 

So you mean the game against the team that needed a buzzer-beater to beat us on their home floor last time?  The team whose massive winning streak we ended last year?  The team we sent home from the Western Conference Finals?  The one that very recently lost to Utah and PORTLAND?  That one?   :)

Crow
Crow 5pts

Kevin Martin's secondary agent got hired by the Griz front office. I mentioned because it  caused me to wonder if they will try to get him in the off-season. Their team is 12th on 3pt FG%, 19th on overall eFG%. They might stand pat with the SGs they have now but they might try for him. Would probably have to be a sign n trade though.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Crow Memphis is not going to have $$$ to re-sign Tony Allen much less acquire Kevin Martin.  They'd have to find a way to get rid of Rudy Gay.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @justin_mia This season is gay at near his best and he is barely above average on PER, winshares per 48 and RAPM. I doubt they get any great offers for him but yeah they should try to find one unless he has a great playoffs.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @Crow Mareese Speights and Jerryd Bayless have player options I'm guessing both exercise.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @Crow We complain about Russ a lot but imagine if fans had their wish in 2008 and they took Bayless...

Crow
Crow 5pts

He is no longer terrible but he is still a bit below average.  But a bit below average can get paid pretty well by desperate GMs, especially if they think they still see upside.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Crow Probably right on Bayless.  Either way they'll be capped out even if both of them decline their options.

Crow
Crow 5pts

Some bad team might want to offer him more minutes and money.

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @justin_mia Speights probably, Bayless might not. 

RRRWHOAAAA
RRRWHOAAAA 5pts

 @Crow Hollinger likes him too

RWolverine
RWolverine 5pts

 @RRRWHATEVER  @Crow No Hollinger. Stay away form our talent 

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @Tronchaser talking directly with GMs and players for 15+ years year around would be a good education for anyone. he got it, made it happen. now we will see what he does with it. Griz at all-time high right now... do they go higher? do they sustain success? how far, how long? time will tell. There are a number of examples of good teams hiring consultants after they are already good and then not really getting to the real goal of a title.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

being easy going and making friends is pretty key.

 

I don't think it should be a high a criteria as it is but it is.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Tronchaser And he chose to make basketball analysis a career 15-20 years ago and I kept it as a hobby.

 

I am happy for him. But his boss is the real power.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts

 @Crow 1. Take a valium

2. Become likable/laid back

3. Get hired by team to some statsh*t

4. Profit.

5. WIN!

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @Tronchaser I am not as easy going / likeable for one.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts

 @Crow ....and you're not hired by team because????

Crow
Crow 5pts

Did I read right that cemitten is leading the predict the west contest here so far?

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

After several good years of Hollinger team win projections, he is currently dead last in a contest at apbrmetrics out of 14 contestants. I didn't enter this year.  I beat him and everyone else in that contest 2 of the last 4 years, including last season.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

PER was cutting edge for 1995 and it helped make his name. But in 2012, PER is one of the more flawed metrics.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

I am curious to see how Hollinger gets used. External communications, team to team communications, internall communications, tap his rolodex of team and media contacts. I see him more as a long time media person than a hardcore analytics guy. I tried several times to get him to consider updating PER formula and he showed no interest.

RWolverine
RWolverine 5pts

 @Crow Kmart for Gasol. I can get behind this 

Crow
Crow 5pts

Little chance they move M Gasol; but yes it would be nice.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

We need some Nenad-nasty tonight... it'll up our TSN rating.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9O9FjX5ewM

Aren't
Aren't 5pts

Cheetah Liggins.

Aren't
Aren't 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Leopard Liggins. 

 

Fixed.

d21
d21 5pts

this is disturbing 

 

http://instagram.com/p/TWgQNknWUi/

AIaska
AIaska 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @d21 Calling someone the great yellow hope seems very racist

RRRWHOAAAA
RRRWHOAAAA 5pts

 @AIaska  @d21 at least the person who wrote it was asian

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

Dont know how Reggie Jackson can move up in the rankings after the kings game.  It is what it is.  I guess

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OkcBaby who is your favorite player that plays 20+ minutes per game?

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @OkcBaby Jackson really jumped forward in year 3 of college. will it be year 3 of pros too?

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Perkins career against Dwight Howard, Marc Gasol or Andrew Bynum;

 

Gasol career averag-e 13 pts, 8 rebs 52 FG%. Against Perk- 14 pts, 9 rebs 50FG%

Perk near the same to slighltly worse than league average against Gasol

 

Bynumm career 12pts, 8 rebs 56% FG. Vs Perk 12 pts 8 rebs 50% FG%.

 

Howard career 18 pts 13 rebs 58% FG%. Vs Perk 17 pts, 13 rebs 52% FG%.

 

Perk lowers their FG% a bit but not their pts and rebs much if at all.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

i should add that the against Perk stats are really against the Thunder, though Perk was probably guarding them 70-80% of this time.  Would have togo to play by play data to be more precise.

Air Bud
Air Bud 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Crow I'd like to see the Win - Loss stats with Perk in those games too.

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Skyline Perk won 67% against M Gasol, 50% against Bynum, 48% against Howrad.

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Crow   Out of curiosity, how were Nenad's numbers against Gasol, Bynum, and Howard?

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @TaoMaas 

Gasol career average 13 pts, 8 rebs 52 FG%. Against Nenad- 10 pts, 9 rebs 57FG%.

 

Bynumm career 12pts, 8 rebs 56% FG. Vs Nenad 11 pts 7 rebs 58% FG%.

 

Howard career 18 pts 13 rebs 58% FG%. Vs Nenad 17 pts, 12 rebs 59% FG%.

 

They always shot better from field but scored less pts.

 

Crow
Crow 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Gasol and Bynum got fewer FTAs vs Krstic compared to career averages. Howard slightly higher.

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