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Thunder Player Power Rankings: Rolling

by Royce Young on December 10, 2012 at 1:26 pm 905 Comments

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WEEK 1 | WEEK 2 | WEEK 4 | WEEK 5

The Thunder’s progression of the first quarter of the season year over year:

  • After 21 games in 2008-09: 2-19
  • After 21 games in 2009-10: 12-9
  • After 21 games in 2010-11: 14-7
  • After 21 games in 2011-12: 17-4
  • After 21 games this season: 17-4

And here’s what looms this week: Home games against the Hornets and Kings. There’s a very good chance the Thunder are headed for their best start in Oklahoma City history.

The schedule this year hasn’t been exceedingly difficult, but there’s nothing you can do about that. You play the games in front of you. And on the surface, this week was supposed to be validation material for the Thunder. A road game in Brooklyn, a home game against the Lakers and a follow-up against the Pacers. A tight win against the Nets, a pretty convincing win over LA and a gritty win over Indiana.

Any time you win eight straight games, you’re doing something right. And the Thunder have that look about them that not only are they rolling, but there’s still more to come. Remember those games early in the season where they were winning but it felt like they weren’t playing all that well? Well, they’re definitely playing better now — they’ve scored at least 100 points in 12 straight games for crying out loud — but they aren’t playing great.

At least not to that standard that Sam Presti has said was set against the Spurs last postseason. That’s the goal, and it definitely seems they’re trending in a direction where they’ll hit it at some point again.

Let’s rank:

1. Kevin Durant (Last week: 2)

The Lakers game was an incredible example of the wonderful difference between Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant. Westbrook completely exploded in the first half, lighting up arena with one of those jaw-dropping bursts of scoring. Durant unassumingly did his thing, scoring quietly and taking what the defense gave him.

In the end, Westbrook scored a loud 33. Durant had a quiet 36, on seven fewer shots. That’s the thing. Westbrook scores with a clatter, a whole bunch of noise. Durant’s like a thief in the night. You wake up and your whole living room is cleared out, and it only took him three trips to the car to do it.

Side thing: KD hasn’t had a double-double in 10 games. Last one he had was the triple-double against the Warriors. Coincidental, or is there something to it?

2. Russell Westbrook (Last week 1)

I find myself saying a lot, “THAT play was so Russell Westbrook.” The and-1 3 against the Lakers, the block on Hibbert, the steal one possession later. Down the line you go, week to week, there are plays that you just say, “That was so Russ.”

I came to the conclusion watching his 27-point first half outburst against the Lakers that Westbrook might be the single most entertaining player in the league. In terms of watchability, Westbrook is just fun. Durant is pure, LeBron is unreal, Blake Griffin can dunk, Kobe is cold-blooded and on and on. But Westbrook just has a look to him, a certain undefinable swagger in his game that makes him so fun to watch.

3. Nick Collison (Last week: 5)

I have this dream. In English soccer, when a player plays with a team for 10 seasons they do this thing called a “testimonial” where they play an exhibition game in the player’s honor. Essentially, the game is all about that player. A Player Appreciation Night, if you will.

Collison is in his ninth year with the Thunder. You can see where I’m going with this. My dream would be that sometime late in the season, maybe a meaningless game in April after seeding and all that is pretty much sorted, to let Collison be the alpha. Run everything through him, give him the most touches, try to get him to 30 points. He does the thankless dirty work job every night of setting screens, taking charges and tipping rebounds. Let’s give Nick Collison a testimonial.

An aside: Collison’s averaging the fewest number of minutes since his rookie year. The Thunder are better when he’s playing than when he’s not. So… why?

4. Serge Ibaka (Last week: 4)

Ibaka had what felt to be a rather ho-hum week. His numbers: 14.6 points, 7.0 rebounds and 2.0 blocks per game on 60 percent shooting. That’s ho-hum now for Ibaka. Think about that one.

I mentioned after the Laker game how it seems Ibaka wants to face up every time he gets a touch in the post. I asked Scott Brooks about that last night and he said it’s simply because Ibaka’s such a threat facing up. He can take that hard dribble to the paint, he can hit the jumper or he can go baseline. Brooks said he thinks the shooting percentage of a player posting up with his back to the basket is only about 40 percent. And from what I gathered, it doesn’t seem like the Thunder are all that interesting in trying to use Ibaka with his back to the goal much.

5. Kevin Martin (Last week: 3)

Sometimes when I’m watching Martin, I think, “How did this guy score 50?” He just seems so easy to guard. With that slow release he needs space to shoot. He doesn’t really just pull up much off the dribble and shoot over people. And he doesn’t get to the rim a ton.

But he just scores.

He bounced back Sunday with a big game against the Pacers, bailing the Thunder out from a terrible first half. Without Martin’s 24, OKC probably loses to Indiana. That game might’ve been the most important of the season for Martin. What he did is the thing we got used to seeing Harden do. First unit is lacking, so let the second group bail them out. The top two scorers aren’t scoring, so here’s the third guy. Martin has been great at complementing Durant and Westbrook, but hasn’t had many games where he supplanted them.

Granted, he only did it for a half on Sunday, but that’s what it took. Durant and Westbrook needed time to warm up, time to forget about the Redskins game, time to get going. Martin bought them that time and because of it, OKC’s still riding a win streak.

Also, I want to follow up on what I wrote about Martin in clutch time last week: His usage rate drops dramatically in clutch time (down from 20.9 to 8.5 percent) and probably more than anyone, I’ve written about the concern over not having Harden late in games. Well, did you know Harden’s clutch time usage rate was only 6.5 percent last season (down from 21.6)? In the postseason, it was 17.5, so that’s most likely what we’re all thinking about, but it’s not like Harden was some super closer that took the game away from Westbrook or Durant. Winning time has always been Westbrook and Durant’s time, even with Harden.

6. Kendrick Perkins (Last week: 6)

OKC’s starting five has come a long way over the past couple weeks. It’s still not one of the Thunder’s best lineups, but it’s definitely acceptable. When I wrote this thing, the Thunder’s starting five was their worst lineup, with an offensive rating of just 93.0. Now it’s up to 109.0.

A lot of that has to do with Perk, who obviously is rounding into better shape after his two offseason surgeries. He’s rebounding better, contributing a little more to the offense and is making more and more plays on the defensive end. The block on Deron Williams is one of those plays that sticks in your mind that Perk just seems to make.

He wasn’t as good against Dwight Howard as advertised, but he didn’t especially need to be. It wasn’t really Perk’s defense on him that was the problem, but more about the rebounding. And that’s not exclusively a Perk problem — that’s a team problem.

It must be noted though: The Thunder are still better, statistically, with Perk on the bench. With him on the floor, they score 113.0 points per 100. With him off, 116.9. They allow 104.0 with him on, 104.2 with him off.

7. Thabo Sefolosha (Last week: 7)

It’s very obvious that Kobe absolutely despises Thabo. I think that says it all.

8. Eric Maynor (Last week: 9)

Maynor played two of his better games of the season this week, as well as his worst. Against Brooklyn, he kind of resembled that creator/scorer that he was two seasons ago and against the Pacers, he got back to being a bit more aggressive. The Laker game though, heavens me.

Some stats: With Maynor on the floor, OKC’s scoring 112.3 points per 100 possessions. With him off, 115.8. On the court, allowing 106.9 points per 100. Off, 103.0. With Maynor on the floor, OKC’s been fine scoring a net 5.4 points per 100. But they’re just better with him on the bench scoring a net 12.9.

9. Hasheem Thabeet (Last week: 8)

All that early excitement over Thabeet not being a complete disaster seems to have cooled just a bit lately. Of OKC’s regular rotation guys, Thabeet has the worst raw plus/minus (+9) and well as the worst net/48 (+1.8).

OKC’s offense has been outstanding this season, but it’s at its worst when Thabeet is in the game (108.9/100 on, 116.7/100 off).

Thabeet’s still been a very pleasant surprise, if only for the fact he’s successfully run up and down the court without falling for like 13 straight games. But let’s pump those brakes about him being a potential starter or needing more minutes than he’s getting. He’s doing a decent job in a backup center role, getting about 10 minutes a game. The Thunder don’t need much more than that right now.

10. Reggie Jackson (Last week: 11)

11. DeAndre Liggins (Last week: 13)

12. Jeremy Lamb (Last week: 12)

13. Perry Jones III (Last week: 10)

14. Daniel Orton (Last week: N/A)

The Tulsa Five. None of them played a minute this week, except for in the D-League. That’s right, every non-rotation guy for the Thunder spent time in the D-League this week. You don’t think the Thunder are serious about development?

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KellOne
KellOne 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

BOLTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!   http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/12/tuesday-bolts-12-11-12/#respond

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

nice question from Darnells chat

 

"Does Maynor have pictures or know something that Brooks wants kept private? How else can you explain the unwavering loyalty Brooks is showing to Maynor? Jeff Green in the starting lineup admires that loyalty."

DXL
DXL 5pts

 @OBoy Jones III Maybe he's seen enough positive signs from Maynor to know that he'll be alright by the time the playoffs roll in. Maynor tore his ACL in January 2011. It supposedly takes a least a year (preferable 2 years) to get the knee feeling like before. See Tom Brady's recovery from ACL surgery.

 

But, Maynor at 70% >>> Reggie at 100%

 

 

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts

 @OBoy Jones III Scott seems to be an emotion driven coach. He probably feels for Maynor coming back from injury and wants to give him as much chances as possible to prove he's still good.

 

Shows he has a lot of confidence in the rest of the team -- No matter how much it takes to get Maynor's confidence up, we'll rarely lose. 

 

 

okcjim
okcjim 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@<--Not About Dat Lyfe @OBoy Jones III No he's just seen Jackson play enough to know he's not any better.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Now, i'm almost positive Royce waits on the bolts on purpose. I've just clicked back n forth from the home page to this page 5 times . That could be a lot of page hits.  How many other people are doing the exact same thing as me?  

desatt
desatt 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@PerkPunt ME!!!

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

My day is about to be way out of wack with Bolts not up before lunch time. If my day is out of wack, then it puts my week out of sorts. With my week out of sorts, the month gets ordered anew. With my month ordered anew, my entire year is misaligned. Oh man...I hope I get my Bolts.

DudeBeAGangsta
DudeBeAGangsta 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BallSoHard Glad I have my premium subscription.  Had my Bolts since 10am. 

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Random: I expect Wade to be traded nextyear or offseason. Hell, Pat might even be bold and make the trade this year, but who blows up a championship team the following year for money reasons ( looks at Dallas)? Yup, it has been done before and might happen sooner than we all expect.  If you had to trade Wade, what type of haul would you want this year? Next year?

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts

 @PerkPunt Should have tried to trade Wade for Dwight.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @Fezzy  @PerkPunt Orlando probably wouldn't have wanted Dwight to stay in-state. They basically traded him for beans just to get him across the country.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

Not saying this can happen but Mcgee and Lawson for wade..

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @PerkPunt Wade is a true superstar - a franchise-changing player. He's better than Melo, and Miami isn't as stupid as Orlando. I would expect Miami demands something akin to the Melo trade just to start talks, and would prefer a Bynum/Iguodola level player plus extras.

 

Tossing out ideas:

Varejao and Waiters from CLE

Bledsoe and Jordan from LAC

Favors and Williams from UTAH

Perk-Punt
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Royce must be waiting for his article with grantland to publish before he post the bolts.

AIaska
AIaska 5pts

Anthony Davis is playing tonight vs Washington. Poor Wiz

ThunderBelize
ThunderBelize 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

Anyone else sit around here in the morning and like the dog in UP! just wait for the happy distraction of a squirrel.

 

BOLTS!

 

sigh...

yayowulf
yayowulf 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

I'm finally over 100 points. Am I no longer a pledge now?

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @yayowulf You've moved from "pledge" to "plebe"

 

Congrats!

AIaska
AIaska 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Tronchaser  @yayowulf What are the ranks 'round here after pledge and plebe? How many points until you're Mr. Mountain of Cookies

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ou_sas  @AIaska  @Tronchaser  @yayowulf "Welcome to the Team ... I'll take two hashbrowns at practice..."

 

-KD

 

 

ou_sas
ou_sas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @AIaska  @Tronchaser  @yayowulf Over 9000. :)

 

Obvious meme is obvious.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@yayowulf i see 98

yayowulf
yayowulf 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @BallSoHard  @yayowulf Jeez. I'll never fit in.

BallSoHard
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@ThunderChick2010 @yayowulf Mickey Mouse back pack!

ThunderChick2010
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 @yayowulf  @BallSoHard 

Have other posters been making you pick up their drive-thru food or carry teddy bears around?  :)

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

Just realized Harden's beard is hiding his sweet duck face.

seth_22
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Just heard Stan Van Gundy talking about Dwyane Wade on a Miami radio station.  Many were worried about his "dropoff" and Stan mentioned he was still a top 3 2 guard, while mentioning Kobe & Harden.  Thought it was interesting that the only other 2 guards he mentioned were OJ Mayo and Kevin Martin.  Which got me thinking about how many 2 guards the Thunder would rather have this year other than Kobe, Wade or Harden. I'm not arguing there is none just saying the number is less than I would have originally thought.

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts

 @seth_22 Ignoring salary cap implications: Manu, Gordon if he wasn't dead, Ray Allen, Joe Johnson, although I'm not sure how he'd fit

DXL
DXL 5pts

 @anonymous12345  @seth_22 K-Mart has Ray Allen, Joe Johnson and Manu all beat according to PER. It's not even close. 

 

And Eric Gordon? I don't think Presti would trade Martin for Gordon straight up right now, even excluding salary cap issues. 

 

 

THUNDERCATS
THUNDERCATS 5pts

 @anonymous12345  @seth_22

 martin is 1st in TS% amongst SGs thabo is 3rd ray allen in 2nd

seth_22
seth_22 5pts

 @THUNDERCATS  @anonymous12345 definitely,definitely

THUNDERCATS
THUNDERCATS 5pts

 @anonymous12345  @seth_22

 it might have something to do with who they play with

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

Would you guys trade for  J.J Hickson from portland?

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

 @PerkPunt

 To replace Collison or Ibaka?

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @okcjim

 sheem in the second unit. abeit a smaller player i think he could be more useful .

OBoy
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 @okcjim  @yayowulf  @PerkPunt like KD?

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

 @yayowulf  @OBoy Jones III  @PerkPunt

 If we went and got another 4 I think it would be good to get a stretch 4 since we don't currentyly have one.  Most stretch 4's are tall skinnier guys that can guard opposing stretch 4's as well which would also be nice to have.

yayowulf
yayowulf 5pts

 @OBoy Jones III  @PerkPunt  @okcjim I wasn't really sure how the Bucks felt about him with the emergence of Larry Sanders

OBoy
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 @yayowulf  @PerkPunt  @okcjim Hensons value is much higher than JJ Hicksons. 

yayowulf
yayowulf 5pts

 @PerkPunt  @okcjim I don't think we're really hurting at any position, but if you're looking to add depth at the C/PF position, I'd take a cheap guy like John Henson from the Bucks. He's not really doing anything for them right now and he's a sound defensive player.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @okcjim

 slide nick to center , where he is better at anyways.

yayowulf
yayowulf 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

Where can we submit suggestions to Brian Davis? I really want to hear an enthusiastic "Ibaka shaka laka!" after a Serge monster jam.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @yayowulf 

Strangely, I can picture him practicing that one in front of the mirror.  :)

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

raps are dangling  Bargnani as a trade bait.......hrm

THUNDERCATS
THUNDERCATS 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @PerkPunt

 give em their pick haha

Keith00
Keith00 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @THUNDERCATS  @PerkPunt I wouldn't give them the Dallas pick to take on Bargnani's contract. 11 million a year for a guy that can't defend or rebound, and has suddenly lost the ability to shoot too?

d21
d21 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Legion Sports ‏@MySportsLegion

The Suns have put former #2 overall pick Michael Beasley on the trading market.

 

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @d21  @MySportsLegion Beasley isn't even good when he's 'good'.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @justin_mia  @d21

 he would be good in cook's old role. .............. i think.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @Keith00  @justin_mia  @d21

 basically.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @PerkPunt  @justin_mia  @d21 As what, a guy that stops the ball, shoots poorly, and doesn't defend?

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @justin_mia  @d21

 not as a specialist but in cook's old mins.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

 @d21  @MySportsLegion nobody will take him by himself, maybe if they package him with scola or gortat

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @f5alcon  @d21 I wouldn't take Beasley for free, unless he came bearing gifts, such as, but not limited to, XBOX 360's, sandwiches (all must have capocolla [is there a correct spelling for that?]), sweet swords, tickets to football games, etc.

Lasers
Lasers 5pts

 @D-MC  @f5alcon  @d21 mmmm capocollo*

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @D-MC  @f5alcon  @d21 Not even for free. Cancer in the clubhouse is never a good thing.

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts

 @f5alcon  you never know

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @d21  @MySportsLegion No doubt. 

Fisha Status
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 @Tronchaser  @d21 wow.

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