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Thunder Player Power Rankings: High standards

by Royce Young on January 7, 2013 at 12:11 pm 250 Comments

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Funny how high our standards can be. The Thunder went 3-1 this week, but it felt like they played kind of bad.

It seems like it really wasn’t good enough, mainly because that home loss to the Nets was so ugly. Russell Westbrook told us not to go bananas. But some people probably went bananas anyway.

The Thunder have won five of their last six, but still, we all tend to focus a lot more on what they’re doing wrong than what they’re doing right. Why? Because their standard of performance is high for themselves. They expect better too.

And like I said after Westbrook’s comment, when your team routinely wins seven out of every 10 games it plays, losses tend to stick out more. Wins like the ones over the 76ers and Raptors were mostly routine, taking-care-of-business affairs. But a double-digit home loss to the Nets? That’s something. We notice that. And there’s a lot more to talk about.

Doesn’t necessarily mean anyone’s panicking or going bananas. Some people say silly things in the heat of the moment because like players, fans are emotional. Every team has ups and down throughout the season. Right now for OKC, there have been a lot more ups than downs. But just like the team, more is required and even in seemingly meaningless games in January, winning is the only thing good enough. That’s the culture the team lives and breaths by, so naturally, the fanbase is going to fall in step right with that.

Let’s rank away:

1. Kevin Durant (Last week: 1)

For the week, KD took 67 shots. And scored 105 points. That’s 1.57 points per shot. That means every time Kevin Durant threw the ball at the basket, on average, the Thunder scored 1.57 points. Seems pretty good. But check this: On the season, KD is averaging 1.58 points per shot. So in that regard, it was kind of a down week for Durant.

Other thing I want to talk about: About KD’s little run of technicals: Is this a thing now? Is he taking the “KD is not nice” stuff a little too literally? What’s going on? He has six technicals fouls already this season, more than any other season. It’s obvious Durant has taken issue with officiating a bit more demonstratively this season than he has in year’s past, but it’s just kind of a natural thing. When you’re a player of Durant’s standing and you feel you’re getting jobbed, you react. Like KD said after the Brooklyn game, he’s allowed to be frustrated. It’s not impacting his play in a negative way, so as long as he stays away from the magic 16 number, who cares.

I can understand the concern over Durant’s image though. He’s an ideal role model for young basketballers, or really any kid. And like it or not, this is Oklahoma and people care a lot about things like that. Before playing some pickup last week, there were two youth teams playing with kids probably eight or nine years old. One of the teams was naturally the Thunder, and one of the kids was wearing No. 35. This was a night after KD got ejected against the Nets and I couldn’t help but wonder if any of those kids — who obviously idolize Durant — thought it was cool. Or were thinking next time an official jobbed them, that they were going to bark back, because KD did it.

My opinion? I give no craps. KD can bark, cuss or scream all he wants. It’s not his job to parent your kids, it’s not his job to make sure they treat referees with respect. He gets paid to score points and win games for the Thunder. I get what role models are and there’s no doubt Durant takes a whole lot of pride in kids looking up to him. But he already does a pretty tremendous job of setting an example off the court, but on it, let KD be KD.

2. Russell Westbrook (Last week: 3)

Over his last five games, Westbrook is shooting 51.6 percent from the field (47-91). He hit a few more pull-up jumpers, knocked down some long 2s and shot the 3 very well (9-16). Seems like maybe he’s finally coming around with his shot a bit.

At the rim in those six games, Westbrook went 25-32. That’s 78.1 percent. On the season, he’s been hitting around 55 percent, which as I’ve said before, I see as the biggest reason his overall percentage has dipped.

Anything over 10 feet, but inside the 3-point line, Westbrook went 10-25 (40 percent). On the season from that range, he’s hitting about 35 percent. So Westbrook definitely shot the ball better overall, but like I said, he’s making the most difference in his overall percentage by finishing at the rim.

3. Serge Ibaka (Last week: 2)

Among regular rotation power forwards, Ibaka is fifth in the league is shooting from 16-23 feet, hitting 46 percent from there. And he’s fourth in makes per game from that distance, hitting 2.0 a game, only behind LaMarcus Aldridge, Kevin Garnett and Luis Scola. Also, this: KD is hitting 40 percent from that range, making 1.4 a game. Scott Brooks has said before that Ibaka is the team’s best midrange shooter. I think he’s right.

(Qualifier to that though: Ibaka’s looks are always much cleaner on long 2s than KD’s are. If you gave KD five mostly uncontested long 2s a game, I think he’d hit 50 percent of them.)

4. Kevin Martin (Last week: 4)

One thing I worry a little about is that Martin is on his way to becoming a glorified specialist for the Thunder. On the season he’s attempted 321 shots, with 153 being 3-pointers. That’s 47.6 percent of his shots coming from deep. For his career prior to this season, Martin only took 33.1 percent of his shots from 3.

Obviously — obviously – his role with the Thunder is much different than its been anywhere in his career. But at the same time, he’s far too talented of an offensive player to just be a spot-up 3-point shooter. He’s darn good at it and shoots the 3 as well as anyone in the league. It’s an extremely high percentage look for him. And he gets a lot of clean looks because of the focus on Westbrook and Durant. You just don’t want Martin to hover on the 3-point line and ignore the fact he’s a good mid-range and finisher as well.

I can tell you this too: I talked to one league scout recently and he told me that teams are quietly as afraid of Martin as they are of Westbrook or Durant. They gameplan more around Westbrook and Durant, but Martin terrifies other teams. He’s torched basically every one of them in the past as either the Kings or Rockets primary scorer, and now he’s got less attention on him and a lesser defender. The Thunder have to make sure they’re utilizing him.

(Also wanted to mention this: For the week, Martin hit just 37.5 percent from 3 (9-24). The fact that’s a “slump” should tell you how excellent of a shooter Martin is. Do yourself a favor and get to a game early and watch him warm up. He’ll make 25 in a row. With 22 of them barely even touching the net.)

5. Nick Collison (Last week: 5)

You know how I pointed out Ibaka’s long 2-point shooting ability? You know who’s in front of him? Yep, Collison, who’s hitting 47 percent from 16-23 feet.

One of the most underrated parts of the “Should Perk play this much?” discussion is the fact that Collison is by far a more dynamic offensive player. His finishing ability around the rim, the fact he rarely turns it over, he’s an equal screener and the fact he possesses a mid-range, pick-and-pop game. No, he’s not the same caliber post defender, and he’s not as mean. But with Collison, he brings a whole lot more to the table. As the games become more important in May and hopefully June, it seems like it should be a no-brainer to have Collison ready to go 30 a night.

6. Kendrick Perkins (Last week: 8)

For the week, Perk averaged 7.7 rebounds in about 25 minutes a game. That’s really not too bad at all. He played a strong game against the Raptors and despite the gripes about him being on the floor against the Nets late, he was really very solid on the defensive end that night.

I think I’ve said this before, but it really is kind of amazing that Perk has been able to build a very solid basketball career despite the fact that he doesn’t seem to really have any NBA talent, except for the fact he’s tall. And I mean that as a compliment to Perk. He’s figured out how to make himself a very valuable player because of his attitude, his spirit, his toughness, his presence, his leadership, his communication, his physicality, his smarts and the fact he’s not afraid to push back. If it was really as easy as it sounds, then every 6-10 guy would be making $8 million a year starting for an NBA title contender. But it’s not and Perk makes the most of it. It’s really kind of extraordinary, when you think about it.

7. Thabo Sefolosha (Last week: 6)

Thabo hit 5-13 from 3 this week and Joe Johnson sort of torched him. Not an awesome week.

8. Reggie Jackson (Last week: 7)

Remove the Phoenix game where Jackson had six assists, and in the other three, he had two total. And yet it seems like he’s performing better than Eric Maynor, right? Are we just that disenchanted with Maynor, or is this just a test-by-eye thing?

9. Hasheem Thabeet (Last week: 9)

No lie, there are quite a few times where after a game finishes and I’m looking over the box score to see who did what and I see Thabeet’s name I say to myself, “Oh yeah, he played.” Which is a way to say that sometimes, Thabeet doesn’t make much of an impact.

10. Eric Maynor (Last week: 10)

I’m sure I’ve mentioned this before, but I can’t help but love how comically high Maynor dribbles the ball. He almost bounces it over his head.

11. DeAndre Liggins (Last week: N/A)

He played seven minutes this week! In the NBA!

Inactives: Perry Jones III, Daniel Orton, Jeremy Lamb

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supreme35
supreme35 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

http://dailythunder.com/2013/01/thunder-vs-wizards-pregame-primer/

RRRWHOAAAA
RRRWHOAAAA 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @supreme35  I was born. I commented. I passed to the next thread. 

OUThunderfan
OUThunderfan 5pts

Royce is slacking on the game thread....an hour to tip off

OohWeeItsVelvetHoop
OohWeeItsVelvetHoop 5pts

ibaka: 2nd in the NBA in blocks to larry sanders

BrockSuede
BrockSuede 5pts

 @OohWeeItsVelvetHoop Gary Shandling?

RRRWHOAAAA
RRRWHOAAAA 5pts

 @BrockSuede  @OohWeeItsVelvetHoop Barry Sanders?

RRRWHOAAAA
RRRWHOAAAA 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

its crazy that im now so old, im looking at draft prospects named tim hardaway jr and glen robinson III

Sigmund
Sigmund 5pts

"Reggie Jackson is the back-up point guard du jour for the Thunder. Individually, he's played better than Eric Maynor, but the Thunder's efficiency numbers are better with Maynor on the floor. As long as Russell Westbrook is scoring as efficiently as he has the last five games (25.6 points per game on 52 percent shooting), the identity of his backup doesn't matter much."

RRRWHOAAAA
RRRWHOAAAA 5pts

out indefinitely with a nose bleed? 

RRRWHOAAAA
RRRWHOAAAA 5pts

oh, concussion... Kobe says but ya big boi pants on...

 

btw, big boi from OutKast should totally come out with a line of mens linen slacks called... Big Boi Pants

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

so with gasol and howard out friday's game should be a lot easier. should recall the rookies for that game.

TempBoy Brandon
TempBoy Brandon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @f5alcon Kobe will score 50 and we'll beat the Lakers by 20.

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @f5alcon Imma need Jodie Meeks and Metta World Peace to go HAM during that game.

 

But still lose.

 

#FantasyBasketBall

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @<--Dont Believe Me? Just Watch. you have an easy opponent this week

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts

 @f5alcon True, but I can't come out with a slow start like a certain team we all love and adore.

 

But you right...light week...

dianeb33
dianeb33 5pts

I don't mind if KD gets techs, getting angry is a normal emotion.  Getting angry and getting a gun is not.

I'm sure he will know when enough is enough.

I just wish he would watch his mouth - we can read his lips.

El Prez
El Prez 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@dianeb33 Good Lord...what is this coaching by Jenni Carlson? These are grown men. This is the NBA. I loved when KD said in Atlanta, "This is my m---erf---ing house. Same when he got ejected. More of that, KD. This was part of the purpose of me working so many long hours with KD on elevating in game face with my TSN model.. We don't want our leader to be some Gallardia Choirboy Posterchild. More nasty, more snarl...bring it KD.

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

What's with the anti 2nd amendment tie in though?

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts

 @dianeb33

 TBJ came up with the perfect solution.  Get his mom to more games.  He'll behave himself then.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @anonymous12345  @dianeb33 Behave? what is he ten I love him cussing.

MisterE410
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Gonna head out soon for my annual Thunder game. See them every year in DC. I hope they don't lose it like they did last year.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @MisterE410 

Revenge game.

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ThunderChick2010
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 @CP2 

Have a great time, CP2 !!!

OBoy
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via Woj

 

The NBA has suspended Boston's Rajon Rondo one game for making contact with an official and failing to cooperate with league investigation.

 

 

 

i'll say it again. Rondo is a moron. 

 

alvarex
alvarex 5pts

 @OBoy Jones III Rondo's a great player.  But when you're the point guard who leads the league in assists yet still have guys in the locker room *who hate you*, that says something.

 

*I in no way know if the Celtics still have Rondo haters in the locker room.  For all I know Allen was the last one.

Bryson
Bryson 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OBoy Jones III I love Rajon Rondo. I like his attitude, even if sometimes its detrimental. 

anonymous12345
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 @OBoy Jones III

 Should say "Rondo suspended for being an ásshole"

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @anonymous12345  @OBoy Jones III for being a celtic, that team has terry, garnett and pierce

TempBoy Brandon
TempBoy Brandon 5pts

This is one of those games where I'm gonna be irritated cause KD will probably sit the entire 4th quarter because we are up by so much, and he'll only have like 20 points, so it will bug me that it hurts his scoring average. Either that, or it'll be a really close game and I'll be anxious because we should be blowing them out. So I'll be hoping for the in between- a nice 15 point lead the whole way through. Just enough to be dominating with no worry, but not enough to pull the starters in the 4th quarter. :)

 

And on that note, I'm really getting sick of checking Knicks and Lakers boxscores and seeing Carmelo and Kobe going for 35 points every game.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @TempBoy Brandon 

Hey, we're Thunder fans.  When the team gives us a game where we don't have to bite our nails and pull our hair, we smile and say thank you.  :)

TempBoy Brandon
TempBoy Brandon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 And if KD can at least hit his 28.5 scoring average, then I say thank you with a cherry on top. :)

TempBoy Brandon
TempBoy Brandon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Patrick OKC  @ThunderChick2010 Ha! That's totally true. Most do start with action/comedy and then move on to more intelligent films as they grow up. Actually, most stick with the dumb stuff all their lives, but if there is a chance, it's opposite of what you did for sure. :) I've opened up a whole new world to my girlfriend. She was pretty much a rom-com kind of gal, but she's 28 and I have her loving all these indie flicks I see now. Mwahaha!

TempBoy Brandon
TempBoy Brandon 5pts

 @ThunderChick2010 Ah, cool! I'll email ya here in a minute and talk Pi. I'm curious what you came away thinking it meant.

 

And yeah, Thunder basketball and movies are my go-to entertainment/time consumers, so I feel ya. :)

Patrick OKC
Patrick OKC 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @TempBoy Brandon  @ThunderChick2010I only said it's crazy because most people start with action movies in their youth then move to intelligent artful movies.  I did the opposite.

 

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @TempBoy Brandon 

I didn't get around to seeing nearly as many movies as I usually do.  (Blaming Thunder basketball, in part.)  I don't even think I can make a full list of 10 favorites, and there are several Best Pic candidates that I've missed.  Of those you listed, I did see Perks of Being a Wallflower.  Getting ready to be away from the keyboard for a while, but email me later (screen name at gmail) if you want to talk Pi.  Four of us saw it and all four of us came away with different takes on the meaning.

Patrick OKC
Patrick OKC 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @TempBoy Brandon  @ThunderChick2010It's kind of crazy, but I used to watch those kinds of movies a lot when I was younger.  Now I just want something stupid that I can zone in and out of as needed.

 

TempBoy Brandon
TempBoy Brandon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 Wait, we both loved Pi, so how did I come to a way different conclusion? I'm confused. :)

 

And yeah, Beasts will be in my Top 10, and Safety Not Guaranteed will be up there as well, maybe around #15. Seeking A Friend was much, much better than I expected and is currently in my Top 25. So we have similar tastes it seems. I like that you've seen so many under the radar flicks as well. I'm just a complete movie junkie. I've seen 123 movies released in 2012 thus far. Have you seen Bernie, Sleepwalk With Me, Sound of My Voice, The Perks of Being a Wallflower, Take This Waltz or Hitchcock?

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @TempBoy Brandon 

Ah, sounds like you came to a way different conclusion about Pi than I did.  Like you, I hadn't read the book and was just blown away by the movie.  Still haven't seen The Intouchables, but need to.  Besides Pi, my favorites of the year were Beasts of the Southern Wild, Seeking a Friend for the End of the World, and Safety Not Guaranteed.  :)

TempBoy Brandon
TempBoy Brandon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 I did... And I hadn't read the book before, so the twist was a complete surprise to me. I liked the movie a lot. Visually, it was outstanding. And I was fascinated by the story. Then the twist knocked me on my butt and made me like it even more. I gave it a solid 8.5/10.

 

I have to say, though, that my favorites of the year so far are Les Mis, The Intouchables (a French film that you MUST watch), and, of course, Thunderstruck. :)

 

Oh, and I'm going to Dallas this weekend and I'm gonna catch Zero Dark Thirty. I'm excited cause it's the last of the Best Picture contenders that I need to see.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @TempBoy Brandon 

Off-topic, but did you see Life of Pi?

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @TempBoy Brandon Just give up on the scoring title - Kobe is going to be in a dogfight every night and will need to score to even have a chance to win.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @TempBoy Brandon Think about it like this - Thunder are more well rounded team.   We don't need KD to be hero every night.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @TempBoy Brandon  I want him to as well, but unless kobe stops scoring all of the lakers points it wont happen

TempBoy Brandon
TempBoy Brandon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderWins Yeah, that's great and all, and I hope and think KD is finally gonna win the MVP, which I would choose over the scoring title any day. BUT... I still want him to win his 4th in a row. That's rarified company.

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I know folks like to talk about trading Perk, but with the declining importance of the traditional center, would we be better off looking for a rebounding PF so that we can move Serge to center and play more small-ball?  I'm thinking more of a rental than a long term deal.

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @TaoMaas we play deadlier when we go small. ibaka at the center might work, have we really played with him at the center though?

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Legendary_Dork  We kick a$$ and take names as soon as Perkins takes his rightful spot on the end of the bench.  Ibaka or Collison or Ibaka + Collison.  It all works.  Heck, even Thabeet's numbers tower over the sluggish oaf, Perkins.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @1 Knee 4 Points 5 Rebounds 35 Million Dollars "it's your time boi"

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Ibaka can't e'em speak English.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @1 Knee 4 Points 5 Rebounds 35 Million Dollars Ibaka

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

If yall trade me, whos gonna bring that leadership ability? Toughness? Those mean screens? Who can guard Howard and Pek better than I can?

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @Legendary_Dork ilyasova

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @Legendary_Dork Perk's not about numbers though.

 

I think we should look for big players in the draft. If that doesn't work, perhaps a Chris Kaman?

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @TaoMaas I think you hit the nail right on the head.  Perkins is drowning this team with his albatross for a contract.

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