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3-on-3: Thunder versus Heat

by Royce Young on February 13, 2013 at 1:25 pm 772 Comments
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Before everyone completely shuts off for All-Star Weekend, it’s Thunder-Heat, round two on Thursday. We all know the recent history, so there’s certainly a little more on the line here than just a single win or loss. Especially for the Thunder.

Not only do they need a boost of confidence against Miami, but with LeBron James and Kevin Durant having near historical seasons, could Thursday’s game decide the MVP too?

1. True or false: The MVP is on the line Thursday for KD.

Royce Young, Daily Thunder: False. Ish. False-ish. Here’s why: While there are still some 30 games to be played which means a whole lot could happen, if LeBron beats Durant again it’s going to plant that seed in a lot of minds that he’s simply a superior player. That’s not true at all because if you watched the Finals, you know that KD was absolutely brilliant and OKC’s losing really had very, very little to do with him. But narrative is the name of the game in sports, and when voters review their options come voting time, they’re going to have the fact that LeBron would’ve topped KD both times this season. Fair or not, that’s the way the MVP game often works. I don’t think Thursday should decide anything and I’m sticking with false that it won’t, but with the recent media blitz LeBron has had lately, a loss for KD head-to-head certainly isn’t going to help.

Michael Kimball, Daily Thunder: False. And it’s not even close to being true, in my opinion. First, the season is barely half over. Also, there’s plenty of time for LeBron James to slump, and KD will have several more high-profile appearances on national TV. I just have a hard time believing many MVP voters will make their final decision based on one performance on Valentine’s Day. Any any of them who would do something like that probably already have their minds made up anyway.

J.A. Sherman, Welcome To Loud City: False. While head-to-head matchups certainly spike the ratings and our collective interest, I think this season is going to come down to how we view various stretches of both Durant’s and LeBron’s seasons. Specifically, it seems like whenever one of them hits a run of great basketball, the other takes notice and ups the ante. Perhaps it stems all the way back to when the two guys did their “Hell Week” workouts, but I believe that they are intentionally each other’s measuring stick. Durant had been playing a torrid stretch of basketball as of late, scoring efficiently, distributing, and showing a ever-deepening understanding of how to play the game. A year ago, Durant’s PER was a distant 4th from LeBron’s league-leading metric, but in this season Durant has closed the gap considerably and has been playing the game in a very LeBron-esque way. The media started talking it up and perhaps LeBron took notice, because he then ramped up his speed to 88 MPH and as we know, did something in these past six games that has never been done before, which does not simply connote a hot streak, but basketball mastery. This stretch, which is still ongoing, may be the thing that ultimately puts LeBron on top this year.

What makes me most excited about the development though is that I think this 2-man race is structured well — LeBron is the best but knows that KD is right on his heels, while KD knows he must continue to improve and expand his game if he is ever going to catch James. Perhaps Durant will never get there, but in trying to get there, not only are we all ‘witnesses,’ but winners as well.

3on3_truehoopnetwork_1102. What’s the best approach to matching up with the Heat?
a. Smallball
b. Two bigs
c. Lots of Nick Collison
d. New idea

Young: I think it’s almost entirely C. Smallball is a worthy plan, but it also plays into the style the Heat prefer, and it doesn’t necessarily work unless the matchups fit. And what’s obvious the Heat is that they aren’t a strong interior team at all, so it makes enough sense to remain big against them. But it’s about choosing the right combination of bigs, one of which I think has to include Collison. He’s one of the best help-and-recover bigs in basketball and he’s a legit offensive threat 20 feet and in. Combined with his defense and rebounding, I think that kind of spacing is absolutely vital to executing good offense against Miami. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the game Collison played the most minutes (21) was also the only game OKC won in the Finals.

Kimball: A and C. To be clear, this answer applies to almost every team in the league. The Thunder are good enough with their smallball units to not even really care who is on the floor for the other team. OKC has been obliterating people with KD at the four and only one other big man at his side. It’s even more important for the Thunder to go small against the position-less Heat, but the data has shown for quite a while that small is better for the Thunder in almost any situation. Plus, “lots of Nick Collison” is the answer to pretty much anything in Thunderville. Need a screen on a key play? Lots of Nick Collison. Need someone to kill time with in your closet during a long severe weather night during tornado season? Lots of Nick Collison. Can’t decide who to vote for? Lots of Nick Collison.

Sherman: I’m going to go with a lot of choice (c) with a little bit of (d), but both should center on the kind of front line the Thunder have to have in order to take down Miami. Unfortunately for the Thunder, they cannot boast of a great offensive front line that can attack the Heat’s lone weakness in the middle. We also have to endure the painful reminder that, in the Finals, Miami really did a number on them, confusing OKC’s bigs progressively as the series went on. Kendrick Perkins was injured, Serge Ibaka wasn’t ready mentally, and for some odd reason OKC’s best front line option, Nick Collison, was woefully underused.

I’m sure you remember as well as I that Collison played a great Game 1 and then practically disappeared the rest of the series. Why was he effective? I believe it is because he is an extremely intelligent post defender and seemed like he was the only guy who could see what Miami was doing offensively and was able to put himself in the right place at the right time to prevent the easy buckets that increased over the course of the series. What I hope for is more of Collison’s court awareness combined with the defensive improvement of Serge Ibaka and an all-together better mental focus on how to keep Miami from getting easy buckets. It is no easy task, but given how well LeBron scores around the rim, the improvement is necessary and essential.

 3. Are the Thunder currently equipped to beat the Heat in a seven-game series?

Young: Yes, absolutely. What people have to understand is that while yes, the Heat have now won five straight against the Thunder, all but one of those literally came down to probably 12 total plays. This matchup is on a knife’s edge — it’s a razor thin margin. So far, the Heat have managed to get big performances from Others like Mario Chalmers, Mike Miller and Shane Battier while OKC has finished games wondering where their supporting cast went. I’m not implying the Heat have gotten lucky by any means, but I think the Heat have performed to their potential against the Thunder, while OKC has consistently left something to be desired. Whether it was James Harden, a poor shooting night from Russell Westbrook or gross execution, the Thunder can be better.

Kimball: Yes. That doesn’t necessarily mean the Thunder should be the favorite if they eventually match up with the Heat in the Finals, but OKC is certainly capable of beating Miami four times in two weeks. They were only a whisker away from making it a long series last season, when the final two games would have been in OKC (which is likely to be the case this year in a similar situation). The Heat have a mental edge, for now, and LeBron has a physical edge on every basketball player in the world (again, for now — I see you, KD). But a few key plays here and there, or a couple of missed Shane Battier or Mario Chalmers jumpers, and the Finals and even the Christmas Day game would have looked a lot different. Anyone who writes the Thunder off now hasn’t been paying attention.

Sherman: I thought the Thunder were actually well equipped to beat the Heat in last year’s Finals. The details of that series will be eventually lost within the mythology of LeBron, but the truth was that the Thunder played mediocre ball for much of that series and yet were within one or two possessions of winning 3 out of their 4 losses. Durant and Westbrook weren’t bad per se, but they weren’t really that good either (James Harden though, he was pretty bad).

The point is that the tools that the Thunder had then and display now on the court are sufficient to take down the champs. What we also know however is that the famous Isiah Thomas saying, “The secret to basketball is that it’s not about basketball,” applies. The Thunder weren’t ready for that championship moment a year ago, just like the Heat weren’t ready for it the year before, Dallas wasn’t ready in 2006, etc. For OKC, part of becoming ready lies within the losing to the Heat – they hopefully learned how close winning and losing is on the ultimate stage and when the key moments arise again, they won’t be wasted. What is it that Scott Brooks likes to say? “We just have to play better.” That’s it, really. The Thunder have the necessary components, but they have to do a better job exhibiting them when they share the court with the Heat.

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lethalizer
lethalizer 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

First game is over.

 

128-108, OKC. Fell behind by 11 early, but scored 38 points in the 2nd quarter to turn the tide around. KD started slow but ended up with 32. Russ had a Russ game: 28 points, 12 assists, 3 steals, 6 TO's(5 in the 1st half).

 

Min per q: 12, difficulty: superstar.

 

Won't post anymore recaps, this was just for fun.

TheChantRoyal
TheChantRoyal 5pts

 @lethalizer what you got 2k for?

Gyella
Gyella 5pts

I wonder how hard the refs will blow tonight. I predict a Thunder win w/ the calls going our way b/c that's good basketball for Stern and his minions and sets up some major talking points come Playoff time. No way the Thunder lose tonight unless hell has frozen over or if Stern's emails to his minions breaks.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

The real question is? How many kiss cams and Proposals will we see tonight at the game? Over/under 4?

KCScuba
KCScuba 5pts

I think there is a basketball game tonight.

ThunderTheFUp
ThunderTheFUp 5pts

@KCScuba More like a war lol

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Hedo Turkoglu is the exact type of player I think of when I think of PED's.  Older players trying to recover quicker from injuries.

 

The LeBron / Wade / etc. witch hunt guilty until proven innocent deal is absurd.  

Dicharden
Dicharden 5pts

 @[censored] Thought about you all's converstation the other day when I read this.

ThunderBelize
ThunderBelize 5pts

 @[censored] I'd peg Wade for PED's... he has the jowls to support it... Look at Sosa, McGuire and their jowls as they used... 

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @ThunderBelize  @[censored]  HIs jaw is getting bigger

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @[censored] greg Oden,  Amare, Nash They should fit the bill too. 

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @PerkPunt Maybe.  But it's a slippery slope tome.  Suspicions quickly turn into accusations.  The NBA does not have stringent PED testing so these suspicions will continue, it's just annoying to me.

thunder_mike
thunder_mike 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @PerkPunt  @[censored] I think his concern was that teams didn't have his best interests in mind, just a return on investment. I think he wanted to get away from team docs and give himself a fighting chance to reach his full potential instead of just be serviceable

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @[censored]  I  agree, It is shocking to me why Oden would sit out to "recover" when teams are willing to pay him money now to rehab under proper conditions. 

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Game is extremely important

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @Lost Ones In the grand scheme of things?  I don't think it's more important than any other game against a team we'd like HCA against.  If you pay attention a lot to the media and care about that kind of B.S. then yeah, it might be.  It's still 1 out of 82.

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @[censored]  @Lost Ones http://blog.mdmadman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/youdontsay.png

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @D-MC  @[censored]  @Lost Ones  I think a loss would put more hunger in these kats. however, i want the win. 

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @[censored]  @Lost Ones It's the You don't say meme

 

Really though, I think this game has a lot to do with the Thunder's confidence and swagger. Going into the break with a win tonight will be meaningful. But then again, we could win tonight then come out flat after the break.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @D-MC  @Lost Ones That image isn't showing up on my phone but I'll assume it's interesting and / or humorous. 

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

Guess d rose is no Maynor

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Found out HR forces performance evaluations on a bell curve.  Everyone say hello to part of the 70%

ThunderTheFUp
ThunderTheFUp 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

So if we win tonight But DWade doesnt get kicked in the face by Perk is it still truly a Win?

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@ThunderTheFUp if we lose and D Wade gets kicked in the face its a wIn

ThunderTheFUp
ThunderTheFUp 5pts

@OkcBaby Moral Victory more like it

lethalizer
lethalizer 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Time to start playing OKC Heat matchups on 2K13 till gametime.

 

Minutes set: 12 per q.

 

Game starts in 9 hours. Should be able to play 5-6 games till then.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

Happy Valentine's Day to all the DT sweethearts out there!  :)

And to my special one . . . a song from our favorite movie:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXkq1UbVe8Q

 

El Prez
El Prez 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010

 

  That is a beautiful song, but this is my favorite ending to a chick flick:

 

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgMVVcnNHII

TempBoy Brandon
TempBoy Brandon 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 Great song, but I actually much prefer this version from one of my favorite movies, also a holiday treat--http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciAsltEpCkw

bobmcgraw
bobmcgraw 5pts

first off no i dont believe the MVP will be decided tonight. but if the heat win it will be in lebrons favor, seeing how he is playing at a historic pace scoring 30 ppg at 60 percent shooting from the field over the last  6 games then put in the fact that durant would be 0 and 2 against lebron wouldnt look good on his MVP resume. Durant has been in a little funk lately i know they blew a few teams out and he didnt play in the 4th but he was on such a great streak scoring  and he has come back down big time.  secondly  i still dont see the thunder beating the heat its not a good match up. the thunder has to many holes in there defense and when they start turning the ball over the game is finished. here is one stat ill put out there dating back to last season regular and playoffs the heat are 6 and 2 against the thunder . its starting to get in OKCs head like they know they cant beat the heat. the heat play small and the thunder try to play big but perkins is so useless he does nothing positive out there. brooks has to change his game plan because trying the same thing over and over and expecting different result is just dumb.

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

What is important is what I drink during the game tonight. Any suggestions?

Dicharden
Dicharden 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @D-MC I'm rolling w/Heineken, if it gets bad, Jose Quervo on point!

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Dicharden I am probably going dark beer. Stout.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@D-MC ...oh, drink...sorry.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@D-MC cocaine

OKC035
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t8ZJRmYX3d8

 

New Jordan commercial with Russ.

beelieve035
beelieve035 5pts

 @OKC035 Just watched a few minutes ago. Very cool.

OKC035
OKC035 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

You can see a picture of the uniform he's wearing here

http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2013/02/14/video-jordans-dare-to-fly-starring-russell-westbrook-and-blake-griffin/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

ThunderBelize
ThunderBelize 5pts

 @OKC035 Just call him Billy Hoyle!

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts

Cheapest ticket I've seen for tonight is 99 bucks.  Come on thunder fans.  thats ridiculous

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

 @see-mittens the closest to my section which is 4 sections to the side of mine is $185, i should sell mine, probably $200+

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @f5alcon You "SHOULD" go to the game ;)

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @see-mittens i am going to the game

El Prez
El Prez 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @see-mittens

  Actually...tonight's ticket is probably going to be tougher to find than the first round of the playoffs .Ticket brokers have had this circled since the schedule came out. 

okcjim
okcjim 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

It will be interesting to see if Polythress takes more of a primary role with Kentucky now that Noel is out. 

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @okcjim Do you think Poythress is big enough to be able to D up LeBron?  I'm not saying 'shut him down' obviously, just be serviceable.  Does he have enough size?

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

 @FF_pickupsHe's as big and athletic as anyone out there.  Physically I think he's perfect.  I haven't seen enough of him to know what kind of motor he has defensively and obvously it would take some time to adjust to the NBA game.  PJ3 should be an animal but he's not so it'll be interesting to see.  I don't think he has the same killer instinct rep that MKG did last year. 

 

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

 @FF_pickupsIt should give Cauley-Stein more of a chance to show his stuff too. 

 

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 9 Like

Wore a thunder shirt under my "work" shirt today. LESSGOOOO

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @see-mittens I wear a Thunder shirt at least once a week. #casualeveryday

ThunderBelize
ThunderBelize 5pts

 @D-MC  @see-mittens I work in my Thunder Ball shorts... every day... #Workfromhomedresscode

 

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