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Monday Bolts – 2.11.13

by Royce Young on February 11, 2013 at 10:00 am 379 Comments

BoltsLogoNew1Joe Kaiser of ESPN Insider on young players that could be dealt: “Lamb has played only 64 minutes this season on a Thunder roster brimming with talent, and his chances for playing time have been very limited thanks to the presence of Kevin Martin and Thabo Sefolosha ahead of him on the depth chart. Still, there’s a reason Houston selected him No. 12 overall last summer before shipping him to OKC in the James Harden deal: Lamb is a versatile wing with a long wingspan who can shoot, defend and become a key piece to a winning team. The question is whether that will happen with the Thunder, which may be better off resigning the efficient Martin after the season and using Lamb in a deal for a center. Phoenix could be a good trade partner, since it has the prized big man to offer — Marcin Gortat — and a big need at the shooting guard position.”

KD: “It wasn’t long ago when we were worse than that,” he said. “We were three and 29, three and 30, just fighting to win 20 games. I know what it feels like. But the thing that you need to come in and do every single day that we did is come in and work. We worked like we wanted to win every game. We put in the preparation from the first to the last game … I’m never going to forget our last game of the season, one of our coaches — we were up 30 — it was the last game of the season, and we weren’t playing for nothing. But he was getting up in the huddles, coaching us up. Our coaches did a great job back then of preparing us for now. And I’m sure the Suns are doing the same.”

Dave Dulberg of Valley of the Suns: “While Phoenix narrowly avoided one franchise-low against Oklahoma City, they couldn’t avoid history entirely. The Thunder’s seven personal fouls were the fewest by a Suns opponent since the organization’s inception in 1968.”

A Q&A with Valley of the Suns.

Darnell Mayberry: “After watching the second unit without Martin tonight, the second time this season we got a glimpse of what it looks like, you can’t help but think there’s a trade that needs to be made to shore up the second team. It’s completely reliant on a two-man game with Martin and Collison. That or Durant being on the floor to bail it out. At some point throughout a postseason run, you’d figure one or both of those things won’t be there. Even though the second string is building a defensive identity, only so many scores are going to be produced from stops. What happens when K-Mart goes cold, or KD is in foul trouble? Who does the Thunder turn to for five, six or seven minutes? OKC has very real financial restraints that will make dealing extremely difficult. But deals are out there. The organization, however, seems comfortable with the status quo because rotations generally shrink in the playoffs and a nine or 10-man rotation becomes one that only goes seven or eight deep. There’s also a general feeling that there aren’t enough minutes for an additional player, and even if there was ample opportunity available at what cost would Player X come if he’s any good? You can’t question much about the way this franchise has built. But banking on this bench in the postseason seems like a risky proposition, possibly even one that could bite the Thunder in a big game or two down the line.”

Debunking a low-usage myth.

From Elias: “The Thunder continued not merely to pile up victories, but to dominate opponent after opponent, cruising to an easy victory at Phoenix. Over a span of seven days, Oklahoma City defeated Dallas by a score of 112-91; thumped Golden State, 119-98; and then downed Phoenix in both ends of a home-and-home, 127-96 and 97-69. That streak tied the franchise record for consecutive wins, each by 20-or-more points; the Seattle SuperSonics had four-game streaks in both 1994 and 1995.”

Tom Ziller of SB Nation: “Harden is smart and has good athleticism. He can eventually be a plus defender if he works at it. But at this point, adjusting to such a major offensive load has to be wearing him out. Until Harden gets fully comfortable working on both ends, Houston going to have to hide him a little bit.”

Marissa of The Lost Ogle with Thunder TV spinoffs: “Spectacle with Russell Westbrook: If you go to my parents’ house on a Sunday, you’ll for sure see my dad in his chair dozing off to one of those “you won’t believe that they made it out alive” shows that features footage of buildings collapsing, car chases, and people catching themselves on fire. Since Russell Westbrook wears spectacles, he could host a show featuring these various spectacles. The best part would be the faces he would make when he just can’t believe what happened. It would be a lot like the face he makes when he can’t believe the call an official just made.”

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Sup' Bruh'
Sup' Bruh' 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Trading Martin or Perkins for anyone would be a disaster right now,

We have a great team and we are rolling, No need to screw it up,

I could care less if Martin walks in FA this summer, and I won't be mad if he stays,

But a trade right now would be a terrible decision

MostJadedGamer
MostJadedGamer 5pts

 @Nostradamus  I totally disagree. I still want to get rid of Perkins. I know we can do much better. Gortat would be a HUGE upgrade over Perkins.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Nostradamus I think it entirely depends on what we get in return. Trading either just to trade them is a disaster. But trading Perk and getting back a 2-way center? The skill upgrade probably supersedes the chemistry change. I don't see a great trade for Martin simply because of how much money he makes.

 I’m out man. Y’all n***** trippin’
I’m out man. Y’all n***** trippin’ 5pts

http://dailythunder.com/2013/02/thunder-player-power-rankings-stampede/

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

Thabos plus minus was +38 last night. Has that ever happened? Not sure I've ever seen any that high ever.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

So I was reading the buy-low article on ESPN. One of the names mentioned was Jonas Jerebko. I think he would be an ideal fit for what we want (as a backup, we could still use a consistently strong C). He's a high energy 3/4, he plays well off the ball offensively, he's a solid defender. He can legitimately run as a 3 or hold his ground as a 4. He also makes 4.5 million a year for the next two years, with the final year being a player option.

 

He's not completely ideal because he doesn't space the floor, but he's young and on a reasonable contract. We could either keep him to have an extra body against Lebron or move him again later since his contract wouldn't be difficult to move later.

 

I'm thinking something like Maynor and our own pick (last or second to last in the first round) for Jerebko.

 

Sigmund
Sigmund 5pts

 @Keith00 He doesn't rebound.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @Sigmund He is having a down year, likely a result of getting yanked around with minutes, but his rebounding numbers the last two years are right around Lebron's levels. He serves primarily as a backup 3 during the regular season, but we could utilize him at the 4 against small teams like Miami.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

Not sure why but I found this pretty interesting...http://stackmack.tumblr.com/post/42780950242/super-bowl-sunday-with-the-miami-heat

[coke head]
[coke head] 5pts

Presti's made roster moves during every season.  Kevin Martin is a pending UFA and Presti has an interesting history handling his free agents-to-be.  Sometimes people go overboard with trades but it's not unrealistic to expect or want one.

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

@[censored] the only 2 real critical free agents we've had have been Green and Harden and both of those we're dealt. He seems to be very conservative with the teams assets. It's almost like if you aren't signed you are dealt because he hasn't been willing to let it get to the bidding war. He hasn't yet taken the chance that he'll lose someone for nothing. I bet either Martin is extended or dealt in the next couple of weeks.

neo12
neo12 5pts

 @[censored] Is deadline to re-sign same as trading deadline?  Oh my..if we just let him out in on the market, there's no way we going to be able to resign him.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @neo12  @[censored] If you remember, Memphis re-signed Zach Randolph mid-way through the playoffs.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @neo12  @[censored] No, deadline to re-sign is different - but I believe it only affects RFAs. You can offer a contract to a pending free agent at any time.

areayewhy
areayewhy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @[censored] If martin isn't traded at the deadline, I think presti will extend martin at $8.5mil per year for 2 years with a 3rd year team option.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @[censored] Martin is proving more valuable to the team and I don't see us filling up on 12mil in long term salaries.

KidCanada13
KidCanada13 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIFiWKFSsh0 I don't know if it has been posted yet, but the NBA Youtube people made a video of KD's top 10 plays, enjoy! 

El Prez
El Prez 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

For the DT Trade Trekkies........you know who you are.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzLtF_PxbYw

Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell
Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @El Prez I'm going to pretend that you posted this for me and me only.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Fezzy  @El Prez great video thank El Prez

C-Wil
C-Wil 5pts

I like how so many people are convinced the Thunder are making a trade before the deadline. The way the team is rolling right now, and should they go on to beat Miami on Thursday....there will NOT be any movement. 

 

This team, when they're clicking, can destroy ANYONE. There's only two teams the Thunder are concerned about and that's SA and Miami...Get the home court, take care of business. Limit Perk against the Heat, guard the perimeter shooters, and win the championship. Easy peasy. 

MostJadedGamer
MostJadedGamer 5pts

 @C-Wil Presti wants to win a championship not just beat Miami on Thursday. I am sure he will continue to look for ways improve the team, and give us a better chance at winning a championship this year.

 

Would love to trade Perk, and some of draft picks or young players to get a better center.

Remify
Remify 5pts

 @C-Wil I don't see us making a trade, not for a rotation player at least. This rotation is set in stone. Switching anything up could disrupt the rhythm. I don't see why would they want to anyway, everything has been clicking pretty much fine.

neo12
neo12 5pts

 @Remify  @C-Wil Yeah, presti's not going to make a move unless a bargain presents itself.  I do think we need someone to match up against Lebron, maybe someone like mbah moute, if he can get him without giving up too much.

 

neo12
neo12 5pts

 @ThunderWins  @Remify  @C-Wil Oh yeah forgot about that..  Damn you Lebron...

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @neo12  @Remify  @C-Wil The worst choice we did was Harden guarding him.

neo12
neo12 5pts

 @ThunderWins  @Remify  @C-Wil We had KD, Thabo, Serge on him during the finals.  Problem is that thabo is way too small to guard him.  Lebron is a foul magnet, so don't want KD or Serge on him.. 

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @neo12  @Remify  @C-Wil I would like to guard Lebron by committee approach to keep putting fresh players on him but anyone have an idea how that would work?

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @C-Wil We could look to add minor pieces if the price is right.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @C-Wil Remember how we poached Eric Maynor from Utah etc.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @AlexR44  @C-Wil We still need bench scoring and PF/SF defender IMHO.

AlexR44
AlexR44 5pts

 @ThunderWins  @C-Wil

 Very true. What we don't have in cap space now (remember, we plucked Maynor from Utah because of our cap space), we have in assets, such as picks or cheap players (Maynor, Orton, Liggins). I don't see a major move, but one for a bench veteran might be in play. Also, remember that Rasual Butler (yes, that Rasual Butler) plays in Tulsa, and is looking to get back in the league. We do have a roster spot open.

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I tried reading all the comments on this page, but I failed.  The ridiculousness is overwhelming.

Sup' Bruh'
Sup' Bruh' 5pts

Everybody on our roster is a great defender, except Martin/Maynor,

Why build a defense first team, and then add Martin long term..?

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Nostradamus you have some interesting opinions. 

Sup' Bruh'
Sup' Bruh' 5pts

 @OBoy Jones III First we traded for Thabo, 

Then we trade away offense(Green/Krisitc) for strictly defense(perkins)

After the Perkins trade it was obvious Presti wants a defense first team.

Just don't see how Martin fits long term..

vincefee
vincefee 5pts

 @Remify  I disagree.  No one can stop Lebron and he has done well on Dirk the last two years

 

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @Nostradamus  @OBoy Jones III He was respected as a scorer because he took a lot of shots. Overall, he was below league average.

Sup' Bruh'
Sup' Bruh' 5pts

 @Keith00  @OBoy Jones III He was a respectable scorer

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @Nostradamus  @OBoy Jones III Actually, Green wasn't good at anything. He was inefficient as a scorer, inconsistent as a shooter, and didn't rebound. That's not even getting into his terrible defense.

Sup' Bruh'
Sup' Bruh' 5pts

 @OBoy Jones III Remember we had a good scoring pf named Jeff Green, Ibaka was raw when he took his job, His defense was the ONLY reason we traded away Green so he could start, His offense has improved weekly since he took over, he will be a future all star and maybe 20ppg some day, but his defense is why he got the job in the first place

Sup' Bruh'
Sup' Bruh' 5pts

 @OBoy Jones III Yes

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @Nostradamus so you'r esaying Ibaka is still here over Harden because he plays defense? not that he was 12 million dollars cheaper and plays a position that we need more?

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @Remify  @Nostradamus  @OBoy Jones III That's one of our big weakness is good athletic on the ball defender.  PF/C

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @Nostradamus  @OBoy Jones III Because Ibaka would have signed for less, and did. If Ibaka didn't expand his offensive game last year, it would be less likely that we would have re-signed him.

Remify
Remify 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Nostradamus  @OBoy Jones III Ibaka is a below average on ball defender, just ask Lebron and Dirk. However, he fits in well into our system as a great help defender.

Sup' Bruh'
Sup' Bruh' 5pts

 @OBoy Jones III Yep and Harden exceeded expectations offensively, and he still isn't around, However Mr. Defense Ibaka is still here

Sup' Bruh'
Sup' Bruh' 5pts

 @ThunderWins  @OBoy Jones III We have a guy I think can do that, Young Jeremy Lamb, and he has defensive potential(long/athletic)

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @Fezzy  @D-MC  @Nostradamus  @OBoy Jones III Yep pringles doesn't talk about defense unless forced to.

Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell
Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell 5pts

 @D-MC  @Nostradamus  @OBoy Jones III D'antoni?

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @Nostradamus  @OBoy Jones III Martin fits if the price is right - having a knockdown shooter aka Allen Korver is worth some money.

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Nostradamus  @OBoy Jones III Every coach says they want a defense first team.

 

I don't believe I've heard a coach say, "Well, I hope to God we score more points than them, since we are an offense first team."

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Nostradamus we also drafted Westbrook, Durant, Green and Harden who are all offensive players (even if KD and Russ are serviceable defenders)

Remify
Remify 5pts

 @Nostradamus great?

AlexR44
AlexR44 5pts

 @Nostradamus

 Because you don't also need 5 great defenders off the bench. We have a good balance of defenders (Jackson, Collison, Thabeet) and offense (Martin) off the bench to either keep leads or cut into deficits when the starters are on the bench.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @Nostradamus Everyone on the roster?

Sup' Bruh'
Sup' Bruh' 5pts

 @Keith00 I said besides Maynor/Martin and I guess Perry and Lamb aren't proven yet, But Thabo/Liggins/Thabeet/Perkins/Serge are all defensive specialists

okcjim
okcjim 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@Keith00 @Nostradamus I say we build a team full of elite in bounds passers. Everyone else is cut.

Sup' Bruh'
Sup' Bruh' 5pts

 @Keith00 Who isn't?

KD has become elite defneder. Russ, Serge, Thabo and Perk always were

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @Nostradamus  @Keith00 He's good, don't get me wrong. But not elite. Thabo is probably the closest thing to an elite defender.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @Nostradamus  @D-MC  @Keith00 He's a bad help defender leaving his man open consistently.

Remify
Remify 5pts

 @Nostradamus  @Keith00 russ is far too inconsistent. kd is decent bc of length. serge is a great help defender. perk is borderline great. thabo is great.

Sup' Bruh'
Sup' Bruh' 5pts

 @D-MC  @Keith00 Watch the guy play..

He gets blocks, steals and plays good D,

IMO KD is a great defender,

You guys are watching to much ESPN

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @Nostradamus  @Keith00 I wouldn't say KD is elite....

Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell
Fezzy/FreeAdamsKarasevSnell 5pts

 @Nostradamus  @Keith00 lol

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @Nostradamus Martin with the right match ups is scoring machine to take pressure off KD and Russ.

Sup' Bruh'
Sup' Bruh' 5pts

 @ThunderWins Why do we need 3 scoring machines when we already have 2 and Ibaka and Thabo could score more with more shots..

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @Nostradamus Because if KD and Russ are off - we need another option.

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