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New stats show off Durant and Westbrook’s offensive brilliance

by Royce Young on February 8, 2013 at 1:51 pm 63 Comments
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STATS LLC has the new player tracking technology called “SportVU” which essentially places a camera high in the arena to track player movements and plays, right down to how many times they dribble, how many times they touch the ball, which hand they dribble most with, how often they jog, how often they sprint and how many times they bite on their finger nails (OK, I made that last one up — I think).

It’s incredible stuff.

Fifteen teams in the league use the SportVU technology, the Thunder being one of them. It’s mostly private data that the teams use for their own benefit, but STATS has been releasing a little here and there to give people a taste of it all. And heavens me, if you’re a stathead, it’s cause for a new pair of pants.

Zach Lowe of Grantland sifted through a choice sampling of the data and came away with a big bag of thoughts, but here’s the juicy Thunder related stuff:

Post-ups? Durant is 26-of-37 from the floor when he catches a pass within 12 feet of the rim, which is the current STATS definition of “post touch.” The Thunder average nearly 1.6 points per possession when this happens, a top-10 mark among camera players, and a stat that makes you think Durant should get more than the paltry 1.27 such touches he averages per game.

That’s the thing about Durant: Scroll through these categories one by one, and you’ll say to yourself, “He should be doing this particular thing more often!” Then you realize you’ve said that for every category — drives, post-ups, elbow touches — and you just shake your head.

As for Westbrook, his numbers are merely “good,” but they also contradict the (dying) notion that he’s an irresponsible ball hog. Westbrook has attempted a shot on just half of his drives, a below-average mark for a high-scoring guard (and in general), and has coughed the ball up on only 5 percent of those drives.

We already knew Durant’s postgame is one of the most improved areas of his game (he’s currently No. 2 in the league in points per play in the post, per Synergy) but the limited number of touches he gets is a little frustrating. Then again, as Lowe wisely points out, Durant is really of a how-do-you-want-it kind of player — inside, outside, in the postgame, off the dribble, off a pindown, driving to the rim, whatever. He does it all.

(Note: This is the part where I fill 500 words of space telling you how awesome KD is, but I’ve already done that once this week, which I think is enough gushing.)

I love the Westbrook stat because I mostly love anything that helps validate that he’s not a selfish ballhog that’s looking to score every time he sniffs the ball. One thing about that though: You can be selfish even in passing in a lot of ways, something Westbrook is often guilty of. What I mean is that Westbrook has a penchant for going for the “hero” assist, an often forced pass that directly leads to a layup or dunk. It’s not entirely a bad trait, because when it works, it’s two points which is yay. But sometimes, simply swinging the ball to keep it moving is the better play.

Another stat via Lowe, via STATS: Westbrook is third in the league in drives per game at 9.3. The top five: Tony Parker (10.8), Rajon Rondo (10.3), Westbrook, Jrue Holiday (9.2) and James Harden (9.0).

Here’s one on Serge Ibaka: He averages only 1,59 elbow touches per game (the metaphorical basketball elbow, not his actual elbow, though it wouldn’t surprise me if SportVU tracked that too). That’s the fourth-lowest number of 90 players with at least 40 touches. Lowe: “But Ibaka knows what he’s there to do: shoot. He has jacked it up on 50 percent of his elbow touches, the highest such rate in the league. Ibaka has hit 41 percent from there so far, which is solid, but certainly not great.”

Check out the whole thing because even though you might think you don’t care about what Boris Diaw or Tyler Hansbrough is doing in post touches or dribbling stats, you will. Then pray that this data never becomes public because if it does, we’re all going to die.

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Cold-Blooded
Cold-Blooded 5pts

http://blog.newsok.com/thunderrumblings/2013/02/08/more-from-charles-barkley-and-company/

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

 @Cold-Blooded /sullinger

KidCanada13
KidCanada13 5pts

http://dailythunder.com/2013/02/suns-vs-thunder-pregame-primer-8/ to the Batmobile! 

Stephen Jackson is not about this spelling
Stephen Jackson is not about this spelling 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Probably the most thunder-relevant quote not put in this post: "The Sixers have scored just 0.93 points per possession when Turner drives, the second-worst figure among camera players with a usable sample of drives. Only Eric Maynor, now benched, has been worse." 

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @DSYIII they want Maynor too. They will be horrendous at driving and finishing

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @DSYIII ugh " in my Rick Ross voice"

KidCanada13
KidCanada13 5pts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLUlRGj33UM best video of the Lamb shake out there

beelieve035
beelieve035 5pts

Has anybody read the comments on Russ' latest Instagram pic? Lol

 

http://web.stagram.com/p/386843653249311549_20650647

OKC035
OKC035 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 7 Like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1OfiCpnmc-A

beelieve035
beelieve035 5pts

 @OKC035 Sooo, just a faster Harlem Shake? Lol

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OKC035 so THAT'S how he hurt his back. . .

DudeBeAGangsta
DudeBeAGangsta 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OKC035 That dude was in Breakin'.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

Trade deadlines getting close

Dubyaexwhizey
Dubyaexwhizey 5pts

 @Lost Ones http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bgz5o7q Plus a pick (not Toronto)

Hasheem Thabinks
Hasheem Thabinks 5pts

 @Dubyaexwhizey  @Lost Ones If OKC's trading with denver for an expiring contract i'd rather Corey Brewer

Dubyaexwhizey
Dubyaexwhizey 5pts

 @DJ Scott Brooks aka jdstorm  @Lost Ones Would have to give up more than just Maynor and a pick for Brewer, I bet.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Dubyaexwhizey  @Lost Ones I  like mozgov

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lost Ones Buy low on Varejao.

Hasheem Thabinks
Hasheem Thabinks 5pts

 @[censored]  @Lost Ones You think, perk, lamb and the toronto pick is buying low?

beelieve035
beelieve035 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

Cool quote from Brooks on Russ in the SLAM magazine (that I got today!):

 

"Russell has an ability that you don't see from that position, or any position.  Coach Cheeks probably has a charley horse on his thigh every other game because I'm hitting it, like, Can you believe that he just did that?!"

OohWeeItsVelvetHoop
OohWeeItsVelvetHoop 5pts

 @novelisticbee0 so lucky i got the cover with russ on it! 

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

SportsVU is pretty neat.

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @[censored] http://www.stats.com/careers.asp

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Barry Amenema Being a dba for a stats company sounds like too much work for me.

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @see-mittens  @Lost Ones I believe most of the data is available only to those teams with the SportsVU equipment installed in their arenas.

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Lost Ones  I'm not conviced individuals can even get a subscription

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @Barry Amenema  @[censored] How much is a subscription?

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Barry Amenema I'd participate in the contest.

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @[censored] what if Tricia held a fan contest and the prize was a season subscription to access their data?

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @[censored]  @Barry Amenema  too much data mining 

jlamb = kmart
jlamb = kmart 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

In reference to D. Mayberry's trade proposal earlier, why would we need J. O'Neal?  Hopefully in the playoffs we just rotate Ibaka, Collison, Perk, and KD at the 4 and 5.  If we are talking potential deals that could maybe help the Thunder, what about a P. Jones and Maynor for Vince Carter?  Dude still has game and is a good veteran bench presence for the playoffs.  Plus I think 3 million this year and next is cheap.

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @jlamb = kmart

 He can provide interior scoring and defense in a 2nd unit. His head is too small for his body though. Pass. I wouldn't mind Vince at all. I wouldn't mind even renting a guy who we know isn't going to stay like a Josh Smith.

Sup' Bruh'
Sup' Bruh' 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

Stats are everything!!!!!

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Dr. John Hollinger Go back to trolling grizz boards

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 12 Like

"We already knew Durant’s postgame is one of the most improved areas of his game"

 

I, too, am enjoying KD's media interviews after games much more this season compared to previous seasons.

todayisbananas
todayisbananas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 7 Like

 @Barry Amenema Both platitude and feigned sincerity percentages have skyrocketed--all while maintaining his likeability quotient.  Who does that?

Cold-Blooded
Cold-Blooded 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Seems slow around here so why dont we see wat the outsiders are saying http://blog.newsok.com/thunderrumblings//02/08/more-from-charles-barkley-and-company/

Cold-Blooded
Cold-Blooded 5pts

Whats funny is that when i post these things nobody cares, am gonna have to contact royce ;)

DTfanboy
DTfanboy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Cold-Blooded It's not news until Royce says so.  I love you Royce!

Cold-Blooded
Cold-Blooded 5pts

@DTfanboy am royce's second hand. Thank you!

RumbleTime
RumbleTime 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Kevin rules rest of the league drools! 

KD's Pocket Guide To Defying Physics
KD's Pocket Guide To Defying Physics 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

I'm not much of a stat head, but I am a technology nerd, and it's amazing all the different things they can track with this system.

 I’m out man. Y’all n***** trippin’
I’m out man. Y’all n***** trippin’ 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@KD's Pocket Guide To Defying Physics

Dennis you sure have a way of focusing on the negatives of this team.  You pine for Harden and throw Martin under the bus as though the trade was simply a swap of two players.  When KD gets praised you harp on how he is supposedly getting pushed all the way out beyond the FT line.  Your criticism of Perk (while oftentimes warranted) has been one of the loudest on the board. 

 

Cheer up man.  We have one of the most fun teams to root for in pro sports, and they are just as talented as they are fun to watch.

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BroncoDoc  @KD's Pocket Guide To Defying Physics but they got both less talented and less fun to watch in the summer, over 2 mil a yr. All I'm saying. Excuse the hell outta me for losing my homer shades. And Perk has been excellent since mid January, I'll be the first to say. He was amazing in the Cleveland game, striaght sonned Thompson and Zeller all game.

 I’m out man. Y’all n***** trippin’
I’m out man. Y’all n***** trippin’ 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @If that's what you say, bruh  @KD's Pocket Guide To Defying Physics No worries man.  Nothing wrong with a little realism now and again.  Clearly Harden was one of your favorite players.  It is sad that we were all robbed of watching Harden try to win titles with us, whomever it is you choose to blame for that

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @KD's Pocket Guide To Defying PhysicsEven more amazing is that we traded that dude Harden for Kevin freakin' Martin. Is he among league leaders in anything, other than stepping out of bounds in the corner?

 

Props to him for his ft% though

Brob785
Brob785 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @If that's what you say, bruh  @KD's Pocket Guide To Defying Physics Martin is very efficient with a TS% of 62% which is good for #15 overall. Look at whom is above him in this list, maybe 4-5 that shoot the ball more than he does (Collison and Thabeet have a higher TS% for example). http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/trueShootingPct

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

 @Brob785  @If that's what you say, bruh  @KD's Pocket Guide To Defying Physics according to basketball reference his ts% is 6th in the league

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Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @Sigmund  @If that's what you say, bruh  @MJOKC  @ICan'tGetNoSatisfaction   @KD's Pocket Guide To Defying PhysicsRewatch game 5 of the Spurs series. Although I'm sure you have seem silly "Advanced" stat by which it isn't a game winner because it wasn't in the air as the clock expired.

 

People don't usually get better in the finals, on their first try. Especially guys who are used to putting up stats for self on losing teams all but 1 yr in their career.

 

KD's Pocket Guide To Defying Physics
KD's Pocket Guide To Defying Physics 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @If that's what you say, bruh  @MJOKC  @ICan'tGetNoSatisfaction   IMHO, until we see how Martin performs in the playoffs for the Thunder, this whole line of debate is silly.

Sigmund
Sigmund 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @If that's what you say, bruh  @MJOKC  @ICan'tGetNoSatisfaction   @If that's what you say, bruh  @KD's Pocket Guide To Defying Physics Harden never hit a game winner in his career.

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @MJOKC  @ICan'tGetNoSatisfaction   @If that's what you say, bruh  @KD's Pocket Guide To Defying Physics

 He hit any game winners in series tilting game 5s, on the road, in a WCF game?

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @ICan'tGetNoSatisfaction   @If that's what you say, bruh  @MJOKC  @KD's Pocket Guide To Defying PhysicsYou have never seen kevin Martin play then. He is the epitome of fishing for fouls, it's a big part of why he has historically been so injury prone.

 

RumbleTime
RumbleTime 5pts

 @If that's what you say, bruh  @KD's Pocket Guide To Defying Physics  @If that's what you say, bruh you don't know because he's never been. Lots of guys who've never been play really well once they get a chance 

RumbleTime
RumbleTime 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @If that's what you say, bruh  @MJOKC  @If that's what you say, bruh  @KD's Pocket Guide To Defying Physics Magic Carpet ride until refs quit calling ticky tack FTs, and Harden gets the ball stripped every time he drives to the rim. His inability to make threes and attempt to constantly look for a whistle really hurt us in the Finals

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts

 @KD's Pocket Guide To Defying Physics  @If that's what you say, bruh Right, and Kevin Martin has an amazing playoff resume

 

KD's Pocket Guide To Defying Physics
KD's Pocket Guide To Defying Physics 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 7 Like

 @If that's what you say, bruh  like how he did a disappearing act in the finals :P

Sustainable Parameters
Sustainable Parameters 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @MJOKC  @If that's what you say, bruh  @KD's Pocket Guide To Defying Physics

 He aite. James Harden is magical

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