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Thunder Player Power Rankings: Crunched

by Royce Young on February 4, 2013 at 12:46 pm 361 Comments
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Each week the Thunder roster gets ranked and the games that were get reviewed. Who stood out and who didn’t? Week 14 is now in the books, so how did things for Oklahoma City go?

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With Kyrie Irving torching the Thunder in crunchtime Saturday night, Oklahoma City dropped to just 9-7 in games decided by two possessions or less this season.

For a team that features not only two of the best players in the world, but two of the best closers in the world, 9-7 doesn’t seem to be all that terrific. I know what you’re thinking too: James Harden murmur murmur murmur. Yeah, losing a really great player like Harden certainly has impacted the way the Thunder have performed at times. Except in games decided by two possessions or less last season, the Thunder were 12-11 (For comparison: The Heat are 8-4 in games decided by two possessions or less, the Spurs 11-6.) So I don’t think it’s fair to read into anything there.

(OTHER STAT: The Thunder are 24-0 in games they won by 10 points or more. Seems to me that winning, especially by 10 or more, is an effective strategy and an answer to the two possession thing.)

Here are some team clutch stats (last five minutes of a game with a margin of five or less) for the Thunder:

  • The Thunder are 13-10 in those games. The best record in the league is Miami at 16-6. OKC’s .565 winning percentage is 13th best in the league.
  • OKC’s offensive rating is 116.0. Which is fantastic, but fourth in the league behind Portland (?), the Clippers and Miami.
  • OKC’s defensive rating is 103.3. Which is meh. That ranks 15th in the league. The Pacers are tops with an 80.4 rating. Miami’s is 89.8.
  • The Thunder have only scored 58 points in the paint. That’s 26th in the league.
  • OKC shoots 44.1 percent — sixth in the league.

I think the point is this: In the NBA, winning close games is hard. I think each close game is sort of its own entity too — I don’t necessarily see a trend. The margin between winning a close game and losing is truly like five or six total plays. When those don’t go your way, you lose. When they do, you win. Having great crunchtime players and a great crunchtime plan definitely helps, but there are no guarantees.

Rankings:

1. Kevin Durant (Last week: 1)

Speaking of clutch time, Durant is shouldering quite the crunchtime load for the Thunder right now. His usage in the clutch has skyrocketed, especially over the past few games, all the way up to 44.8 (41.4 last season). In the clutch Durant has been excellent, averaging 41.5 points per 36 on 45 percent shooting.

But my one question is if this is putting too much on KD, especially considering the other weapons OKC has at its disposal.

It’s a catch-22 thing for OKC. On one hand, you want the ball in Durant’s hands in the tight situations. But on the other, you want to make sure you’re utilizing the other four players on the floor, especially the ones that are dangerous like Kevin Martin, Russell Westbrook and Serge Ibaka. The past few weeks, the Thunder’s cruchtime offense has been about isolating Durant in the high post or on the right wing and letting him operate. Again, ball in KD’s hands = good.

But in Westbrook’s case, he’s being neutered into essentially a ball control quarterback. He’s just walked the ball up the floor and handing it off to KD and then getting out of the way. There are so many critics about Westbrook and taking shots from Durant, especially in the clutch, but it’s not about specifically those two, it’s about what’s best for OKC. And clipping the wings of one of your best scorers and turning him into Christian Ponder when he’s otherwise Colin Kaepernick seems a little strange to me.

Again, the stats show that in the clutch the Thunder’s offense is very good, averaging more points per 100 than they otherwise do the rest of the game. I get the feeling that the sample size is throwing that a bit, but it’s true: The crunchtime defense is more an issue than the offense. Still, creating effective and open looks is the goal and downsizing the power of the Thunder offense — at least on a consistent basis — isn’t the best approach in my mind. Each game is unique and matchups should dictate those decisions instead of it just being The Way It Is.

2. Russell Westbrook (Last week: 2)

I’m definitely over the Russell Eruption, but one last thought on it: Was it immature, stupid and petulant? Definitely. But in basketball, there are these white lines that separate what happens on the floor versus what happens off of it. And on the floor, Westbrook has been brilliant this season, especially the last two games. While his bratty behavior on the bench was ugly and unseemly, it obviously didn’t impact the way he, or  really the team, performed.

And isn’t that what it’s really about? Westbrook’s explosion looked bad and it created an undesired firestorm that left players and coaches answering questions about it and sent talking heads on their way running to conclusions. But the point is, would it matter if Westbrook threw Gatorade in Mo Cheeks face then lit a chair on fire as long as when he walked across those white lines he played well?

What Westbrook has to understand is that he’s a lightning rod for this stuff and all it does is create a distraction and negativity around the entire team. But for only about a week. This latest Russell Thing will blow over just like the rest of them have. This idea that a dust-up in January is going to change something that’s going to happen in June is so dumb that I’m done talking about this.

3. Kevin Martin (Last week: 3)

Martin finds himself third because no one else behind him really did anything to take the spot away. He averaged 15.5 points on 42.3 percent shooting and 46.1 percent from 3.

4. Serge Ibaka (Last week: 5)

Ibaka played an incredibly soft game against the Grizzlies, putting up just four points and one rebound (though he had six blocks). Then he played a very strong game against the Cavs, putting up 18 points, 12 boards and four blocks. I found it rather strange to against the Cavs that Ibaka didn’t check back into the game until there was about six minutes left, especially with how well he was playing.

5. Nick Collison (Last week: 7)

Collison was so f-wording good against the Grizzlies. He had the fun dunk, but his defense on Zach Randolph was just spectacular. Collison has had some great games this season, but I think that one might’ve been his best.

6. Kendrick Perkins (Last week: 4)

Perk was so good protecting the basket against the Cavs on Saturday that I had multiple “Whoa nice block Serge wait that was Perk what?” moments. One play I was especially impressed with was the one he contested Dion Waiters at the rim who dropped the ball off to Marreese Speights who went up for a dunk but Perk landed and elevated again to block it. I don’t remember seeing Perk get down and then up again that quick really ever since he’s been in OKC.

7. Thabo Sefolosha (Last week: 6)

Thabo’s ranking this week really isn’t his fault. It’s more about him curiously playing only 24 minutes against the Cavs on Saturday. Scott Brooks gets put in a tough spot late in games when he wants to have two big men on the floor because it means he has to choose between Martin and Thabo (since it’s been well-established that Brooks for some reason doesn’t do offense/defense situational subs).

He went with Martin, which is something I’m thinking more and more isn’t wise, because all he is during crunchtime is a spot-up kickout option for Durant (or sometimes, Westbrook). If that’s the case, then doesn’t it make more sense to have Thabo on the floor? He’s not as good a shooter as Martin, but he’s certainly a better defender, especially in versatility. It’s happened a few times this season, but isn’t it something to at least think more about, especially if Martin isn’t going to be involved?

8. Reggie Jackson (Last week: 8)

Per 40 minutes, Jackson is averaging 7.9 rebounds. For comparison, Westbrook is averaging 5.9. Jackson pulls in 2.0 rebounds a game in 10.3 minutes, which is extremely good. He’s proven to be an especially strong rebounder for his position.

9. DeAndre Liggins (Last week: 9)

Liggins has appeared in 16 straight games, which is a considerable achievement when you think about his place on the team back in October. He’s just a spot rotation defender, but still a high energy guy that is always a threat to provide a spark.

Other thing: Liggins picked up technical fouls in both games this past week. With each technical costing him $2,000, that’s quite a chunk out of his game checks. He makes roughly $9,295 per game (before taxes), so for Liggins, a little tech isn’t something to just forget about. That’s real money.

10. Hasheem Thabeet (Last week: 10)

A little better week for Thabeet, at least in that he was somewhat useful in the 22 total minutes he played.

11. Perry Jones III (Last week: 11)

I love the random two-minute runs Jones gets. As if he’s going to make any kind of impact or do anything to nail down a firmer spot in the rotation. What’s the point? If you’re going to play him, play him.

12. Eric Maynor (Last week: 12)

The trade deadline is 17 days away. Are we looking at the final 17 days in a Thunder uniform for Eric Maynor? I lean towards no, but I definitely think if OKC’s going to make a deal, he could be a throw-in piece.

Inactives: Daniel Orton, Jeremy Lamb

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noniment
noniment 5pts

what a pass from KD to KMART

Cold-Blooded
Cold-Blooded 5pts

http://dailythunder.com/2013/02/mavs-vs-thunder-pregame-primer/

Cold-Blooded
Cold-Blooded 5pts

Royce, we need that primer, so we can talk about something thats relevant.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

We all agree Thunder have two problems to address 1) center 2) bench quality

 

If you could choose only ONE which one do you fix by deadline and why?

AIaska
AIaska 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @ThunderWins Bench quality. The center positon isn't that bad and can be handled situationally with subs. That parts on brooks

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @AIaska That one reason I asked.  I am scared that Brooks won't adjust and Perkins will be playing Battier/Allen again.

AIaska
AIaska 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderWins That's a real fear. Hope he learned from last year

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Collison as this given moment is not better then Perkins, but that doesn't mean that Perkins does well at the role we require him to do. Collison is about two seasons away from retiring. Collison back in the Seattle days would have walked all over Perkins.

Sigmund
Sigmund 5pts

 @ElMexiThunder Actually Collison is better, but that doesn't mean Perkins is bad. Collison is having statistical his best season and we are outscoring our opponents 12.4 points per 100 possesions with him on the court. That's better than we do with Durant, Miami with Lebron, Clippers with CP3..

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ElMexiThunder Collison is WAY better than Perkins right now.  It's really not close.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @ElMexiThunder Would you trust collison full time as our starting center with his current foul rate and low  defensive rebounding percentage?

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @Lost Ones The sample sizes for lineup comparisons is far too small to be conclusive.  You need about 450 minutes for a +/- confidence interval to be less than 3

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @FF_pickups his salary has no relation to the argument man, you cant do that to justify the change lol

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @MJOKC  @FF_pickups  @ElMexiThunder LOL at this assumption 

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @MJOKC  @Lost Ones  @FF_pickups  @ElMexiThunder Proof?

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lost Ones  Absolutely.  And that's not counting the fact that you get 8 m/yr to find some depth, too.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ElMexiThunder Perkins before injury was better then collison in seattle we can make excuses for them both

Cold-Blooded
Cold-Blooded 5pts

@Lost Ones @ElMexiThunder yea, and this topic should be dismissed now

Cold-Blooded
Cold-Blooded 5pts

@ElMexiThunder i agree with that

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

lol, in the garnett for bledsoe rumors, the clips wouldn't want to trade a mini lebron,LOL http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/trade-season-round-featuring-kevin-garnett-dwight-howard-182216771--nba.html

 

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @f5alcon Especially if you are worried at all about CP3 durability during the playoffs.

Cold-Blooded
Cold-Blooded 5pts

Some say perk is slow, can't score etc. when he was he was much more effective, he was geting alot of dump off pass from KG, if we had a big that can pass we'd see a much better perk. He's been used differently in okc than it was in beantown. Peridod.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @Cold-Blooded He was getting a lot of high low assist 

Cold-Blooded
Cold-Blooded 5pts

@Lost Ones from garnett, davis at times, rondo mostly and the list goes on and on, i can give clips if you want.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

We got a game tonight? ohhhhhhhhhhh

Cold-Blooded
Cold-Blooded 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Folks, can we please remember that perk is the only guy on the thunder that has a ring, give the mman some respect!

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Cold-Blooded adam morrison has 2 rings, doesn't mean much.

lethalizer
lethalizer 5pts

 @f5alcon  @Cold-Blooded Robert Horry has gazillion rings, means a LOT. Basically what I'm trying to say is, the ring argument only counts if that player had an instrumental role in getting that ring. And I think Perk had a pretty important role for those Celtics.

 

We play a much different style here in OKC, so the 2 situations can't be compared head to head, but still, comparing Morrison's rings to Perk's ring is a bit of a stretch.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @lethalizer  @f5alcon  @Cold-Blooded Heck give me a KG willing to train our bigs how to play it would have bigger net effect then what our current coaching staff is doing.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @lethalizer  @f5alcon  @Cold-Blooded KG would make anyone look good next to him.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @lethalizer  @f5alcon  @Cold-Blooded KG is why the celtics where winners.  Perkins had little to do with it.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @lethalizer  that's true, but perk was a lot different player then.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @f5alcon  @Cold-Blooded Perkins>> Collison get mad

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @FF_pickups Perkins will always impact us negatively offensively but defensively he forced duncan into midrange attempts

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @FF_pickups When perkins was off the floor duncan was as well majority of the time. 

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @Lost Ones  We were 20.2 pts/36 minutes better with Perkins off the floor during that series.  20.2!!

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lost Ones  I disagree.  People are saying that Perkins swung the Spurs series, that's not the way I remember it. 

 

http://on.nba.com/14NjB98

Fisha Status
Fisha Status 5pts

 @Cold-Blooded The disrespect...lol

 

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noniment
noniment 5pts

 @MJOKC  @Cold-Blooded  Perkins was very instrumental in the celtics winning that ring. He presence, inspiration and awesome defense alongside KG was simply breathtaking and unbeatable. Too bad, we don't someone like KG on our team

noniment
noniment 5pts

 @MJOKC I see that u don't understand what big men like him are capable of doing

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @MJOKC Perkins defends big men out in space better than you are implying.

noniment
noniment 5pts

 @MJOKC  @Cold-Blooded If you ever watch an OKC game, Perkins usually slows the others as they attack, he sets very good screens, passes the ball better, rebound well and defends well. What more do you expect from him, he is no tim duncan, u should know that

noniment
noniment 5pts

 @MJOKC  @Cold-Blooded  first off, he is an inspiration to all others on the team. Secondly, he is a hardworker even with his age and size and the only problem I have with him is that he is not as good a shooter as serge Ibaka is and he definitely is not the worst starter in the NBA

noniment
noniment 5pts

 @MJOKC  @Cold-Blooded have*

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts

 @MJOKC  @Cold-Blooded Its a catch 22 problem -  Perk just doesn't do well in certain situations and Brooks doesn't know when those are and plays him.

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Cold-Blooded He's played much better lately definitely 

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[censored]
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 @Lost Ones  @Sigmund  @FF_pickups Perkins has only played 50 minutes out of 1176 total with Durant at PF.  And he plays with Collison less than Ibaka does (Collison makes the offense look good).   Perkins / Collison is +20 points per 100 possessions.  I think the Perkins / Ibaka combination more than anything should be examined.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @[censored]  @Sigmund  @FF_pickups that is true

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @Sigmund  @FF_pickups Perkins is harmed because he plays the least of all our bigs in 1 big man lineups.  Ibaka and Collison play more center with Durant at PF.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @MJOKC  @[censored]  @ThunderWins  @Cold-Blooded I tend to ignore contracts because that's presti fault not his.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @ThunderWins  @FF_pickups  @Sigmund He makes some plays and sets good screens.  His shooting efficiency has reached a new low, though.  He seems to be posting up less and shooting more jump shots which is a good change - I wonder if the coaching staff put him up to that.

Sigmund
Sigmund 5pts

 @FF_pickups Not that big difference. Westbrook-Martin-Sefolosha-Durant-Perkins lineup has been better on offense(134 points/100) than Westbrook-Martin-Sefolosha-Durant-Ibaka(122 points/100).

ThunderWins
ThunderWins 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @FF_pickups  @Sigmund Perks and offense should not be in the same sentence it happens in spite of not because of.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Sigmund  "Our offense with Perkins is solid this year so far. He's been passing well on our horns sets."

 

And it is spectacular without him.

Sigmund
Sigmund 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @Lost Ones  @MJOKC  @[censored]  @ThunderWins  @Cold-Blooded Our offense with Perkins is solid this year so far. He's been passing well on our horns sets.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Lost Ones  @MJOKC  @[censored]  @ThunderWins  @Cold-Blooded 

 

He's a good defender but a poor rebounder for a center and his offense is so overwhelmingly bad as to count for more than whatever positive his iso defense brings.  When you factor in his absurd contract, he's a huge net negative.

Sigmund
Sigmund 5pts

 @Lost Ones  @MJOKC  @[censored]  @ThunderWins  @Cold-Blooded  Maybe. Spurs can't beat us, because they can't score on us. But that got a lot to do with Duncan letting shooting jumpers.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @MJOKC  @[censored]  @ThunderWins  @Cold-Blooded Without perkins we are not beating none of those teams regularly. Duncan is old? yet he is one of the best PF/Centers in the league statistically right now? Zbo, has been average against perkins since game 1 of that series. Bynum slow footed? wow bynum is one of the best b2b centers in the league guarding bynum is no easy feat. same with LMA

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @MJOKC  @ThunderWins  @Cold-Blooded Perkins is ranked 27th defensively in the NBA by Synergy and is particularly effective at PnR Roll Man.  I think the guards mess up PnR's on defense more than Perkins does.  Ibaka gets caught in no man's land more often.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @MJOKC  @ThunderWins  @Cold-Blooded I don't think he's horrible at PnR defense.  And he's the best defensive rebounder on the team, even if he's poor for his position.  He boxes out.  

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @MJOKC  @[censored]  I consider rebounding part of defense and when you factor that in, he's not a very good defender.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @MJOKC  @[censored]  @ThunderWins  @Cold-Blooded Offensively limited? he's defended duncan,zbo, bynum LMA etc well stop overreacting 

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @MJOKC  @ThunderWins  @Cold-Blooded He's good defensively.

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