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Thunder Player Power Rankings: Halved

by Royce Young on February 18, 2013 at 5:16 pm 606 Comments
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The All-Star break isn’t the halfway part of the season, but it sort of serves as such. The Thunder have actually played 53 games, leaving just 29 remaining but let’s assess the “first half”: OKC traded James Harden three days before the season, went 39-14, built a top two offense and improved defensively.

Not bad.

But they also went 0-2 against the Heat and haven’t completely restored confidence that they’re the favorite to repeat in the Western Conference. They’re good, but how good? 

These remaining 29 games will help let us know. The Thunder are once again chasing the Spurs for the top seed in the West and while their record is sterling, there are at least five games in there the Thunder completely gave away. There are questions about the bench, worries about lineup combinations and issues around late game execution.

The past week did something in illustrating all those concerns. The loss in Utah was ugly as the Thunder collapsed in the fourth quarter and the home loss to the Heat was just gross all around. Always key to remember the calendar though and keep the season in perspective. As KD said after the Heat loss, they’re 39-14 at the break, which is pretty good.

Rankings:

1. Kevin Durant (Last week: 2)

KD made All-Star history by becoming the first player ever to score 30 or more in three straight games, but that’s not the most impressive thing he did last week. His double comeback against the Heat was something that just stamped home even harder what a ridiculous, driven, incredible competitor.

His first comeback was that terrifying fall, only to get up as “Dirt of Your Shoulder” blared to stay in the game. His second was bouncing back from a horrific 4-14 shooting start to close the game 8-10 in the fourth and finish with 40 on 12-24 shooting. Durant might be skinny and he might be nice — or not nice, whatever — but his toughness can’t be questioned. That guy is as gritty and dug in as any player there is in the league.

2. Russell Westbrook (Last week: 1)

The worst thing Westbrook did this week wasn’t blowing off reporters after a loss to Utah, it was wearing this. Actually, that might be the best thing, on both accounts. Russell Westbrook is so confusing.

3. Nick Collison (Last week: 7)

(So I’m putting Collison third because really, who else should go here?)

I think Collison’s playing time is going to be very interesting to watch the next 29 games. Brooks has been steadily keeping him at around 20 minutes a night — Collison’s only played more than 30 once this year — which makes me wonder if he’s trying to keep the 32-year-old well rested.

Because there’s no way you can ignore his value. At times, Ibaka or Perk make more sense on the floor, but Collison impacts the game too much to see only 15 minutes, especially in games against teams like Miami. Here’s to hoping that come playoff time, Collison is getting bigger minutes.

4. Serge Ibaka (Last week: 4)

Ibaka has come so far in the few seasons he’s been with the Thunder. But he needs to go farther. It’s not that he’s been bad over the last month, it’s just that he’s been inconsistent. Ibaka’s importance against Miami is obvious, and he didn’t show up. Part of that is his role against the Heat as Miami likes to go small which forces Ibaka to cover a perimeter shooter and defend 20 feet away from the basket. Unless OKC goes small in resposne and has Ibaka at the 5, he’s essentially neutralized.

One concering thing right now is that Ibaka’s scoring average has dipped by about a point per month. He averaged 14.8 in November, then 13.5 in December, then 12.5 in January and is currently at 11.7 for February. Ibaka’s importance to OKC’s offense can’t be understated — they need that added dimension. He makes defenses key on his pick-and-pop game opening more doors for Durant, Westbrook and Kevin Martin.

Part of this could be a Westbrook and Durant problem though. For instance, against the Heat, once OKC fell behind it was obvious Westbrook and Durant were going to try and dig them out. A lot of trust disappeared. Really, Westbrook should be running at least 10 solid pick-and-rolls/pops with Ibaka a game. Maybe a half. That’s there a whole lot. The Thunder need to use it.

5. Reggie Jackson (Last week: 8)

Has he played well enough in the last couple weeks to cement his stamp on the backup guard role? I think so. At the same time, how do you feel about Jackson playing 12 minutes against the Spurrs in the Western Conference Finals?

6. Kendrick Perkins (Last week: 5)

It’s amazing. Perk plays one of his best months ever in a Thunder uniform but then doesn’t impress against the Heat and the amnesty and trade him talk comes spiraling in out of control. I get that there’s a faction of people that are anti-Perk and wait for any poor performance to use as validation of their opinions. But geez, have at least some shred of perspective and objectivity about it.

With Perk, you have to separate an isolated matchup against a specific team, and how he performs otherwise. Against the Heat, he doesn’t work well. Against the Spurs, he works very well. And yes, the Thunder will likely have to go through Miami to win a title. But they also will have to get through the Western Conference first too. It’s on Scott Brooks to make sure he’s putting his assets in positions to succeed. Perk is only the player he is. You can’t put a dog in an airplane and be mad at him when can’t fly it.

7. Kevin Martin (Last week: 6)

We can give him the benefit of the doubt in that he was coming off being sick against Utah and Miami, but in those two games he scored a total of 15 points on 5-13 shooting. There’s alwyas a tinge of anxiety when it comes to Martin, I think. He’s obviously a brilliant scorer, but sometimes his comfort level in his role seems to fluctuate.

8. Thabo Sefolosha (Last week: 3)

From scoring 18 and 20 points against the Suns on 9-13 3-point shooting to totaling four points last week on 0-4 3-point shooting.

9. Hasheem Thabeet (Last week: 9)

I don’t have anything to say here.

10. Perry Jones III (Last week: 11)

11. Eric Maynor (Last week: 12)

12. DeAndre Liggins (Last week: 10)

13. Daniel Orton (Last week: 13)

Could this be the last week as part of the Thunder for one of these guys?

Inactives: Jeremy Lamb

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Gyella
Gyella 5pts

Let's sign MJ for our 15th roster spot!

sooner403
sooner403 5pts

Anyone see this? kind of interesting, though it really means nothing.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/playoffodds

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

A loss to the Rockets this week is not the end of the world.  If ya'll recall, we went 8-7 in the month of April last year, and went to the Finals.  Regular season losses are.....meh.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@Tronchaser yea, but we were able to blame this on Fisher

sooner403
sooner403 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @BallSoHard  @Tronchaser DT still blames things on Fisher lol

AlexR44
AlexR44 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @sooner403  @BallSoHard  @Tronchaser

 The Russian meteor shockwave happened when Fisher was given the interim reins to the Players Association.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

Hawks may have offered Smith to 76ers for Evan Turner, Spencer Hawes

long arm of the law
long arm of the law 5pts

 @BallSoHard Good trade for atlanta.  Philly would probbably be dumb to take it

 

Keith00
Keith00 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @see-mittens  @BallSoHard I don't know. Turner ultimately is still bad offensively, and isn't a lockdown defender. Hawes is valuable as a floor-spacing big man, but not a tremendous individual player. Assuming Philly intends to keep Bynum, this could make a lot of sense. Smith is easily the best defender by a wide margin here, and his offense is still better than Turner's. Once Bynum returns, Philly can sport a pretty potent front line.

 

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@Keith00 @see-mittens Yea, a front line of Bynum/Smith is pretty lethal...possibly best big man combo in league if Bynum comes back playing well.

anonymous12345
anonymous12345 5pts

On a scale of 1 to getting swept by Houston, how big of a meltdown will occur on DT after the Thunder don't make a trade by deadline?

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @anonymous12345 2. It's not like we stop being a great team if we don't trade. I think everyone here will realize that we are probably good enough to win the West and Finals on our own just with better utilization of our players. The bigger meltdown will probably come if the Clippers make a big deal for Millsap or Garnett, or if the Spurs land Smith.

El Prez
El Prez 5pts

 @anonymous12345Personally---I think the meltdown by the DT Trekkies will be far greater if a third straight loss occurs at Houston. The DT Trekkies will become restless. Brooks will be hung in effigy as if he were Gomer Jones losing to O State. Personally.. I plan on trying to sneak into the O State-Kansas game and watching the Thunder on the delayed broadcast. Only the most steely tested DT'er should test the DT waters on Wednesday in the event OKC loses its third straight.

dollarbillrussell
dollarbillrussell 5pts

@El Prez @anonymous12345 To be fair, if we lose tomorrow night it's going to be time to legitimately start to worry

sooner403
sooner403 5pts

 @El Prez  @dollarbillrussell  @El  @anonymous12345 Spoken like a true fa.....Let's get him guyz!

El Prez
El Prez 5pts

 @dollarbillrussell  @El  @anonymous12345

 

Not me. I picked OKC to go 57-25 in the regular season. I need 'em to lose some games.

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

 @anonymous12345I don't think there will be a trade that will make a significant difference.  I'm resigned to that at this point.  Expecting nothing but hoping for something.

 

AlexR44
AlexR44 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @anonymous12345

 1...We'll get a vet after the trade deadline.

Hasheem Thabinks
Hasheem Thabinks 5pts

 @AlexR44  @anonymous12345 

like Who?

AlexR44
AlexR44 5pts

 @Sam Presti Trade Ninja  @anonymous12345

 I hear Michael Jordan is thinking about coming back. Seriously, probably someone like Rasual Butler.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @anonymous12345  5

Hasheem Thabinks
Hasheem Thabinks 5pts

 @anonymous12345 3-5

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

Given the fact the ATL wants yound talent, draft picks, and expiring deals in a trade for Smith....I think it could be to be involved in a 3 way trade.

okcjim
okcjim 5pts

 @BallSoHardAnytime the bidding gets going with so many teams interested it's going to get out of hand.  I think his price is going to be higher than we want to pay.

 

Cold-Blooded
Cold-Blooded 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Defensively, we've been in the top ten for most of the season. We're currently limiting opponents to 43.1 percent shooting and allowing 103.1 points per 100 possession, ranking eighth overall. There's reason to believe that we saw from the thunder a little earlier before the break will be more of down the stretch. Historically, the thunder has performed rather well after all-star break. Since durant made his all-star debut in 2010, the thunder has compiled a 60-31 record after the break, winning 20 games each season in the stretch run. With us being able to bank on consistency from KD and russ, the team's success down the stretch figures to be contingent on two things, 1) our role players continuing to effectively carry some of the load and 2), we have to re-established that defensive focus that helped us rip through much of the first two months of the season. If those two things happen (even with no trade), expect us to be playing lights out from here on out.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @Cold-Blooded I think our D is fine against most teams but when the other team has the ability to spread out our starting lineup and go small and Brooks refuses to counter, then it's going to struggle.

Cold-Blooded
Cold-Blooded 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@FF_pickups you think after the finals lesson, christmas day and valentines day, you think brooks dont learn his lesson by now? I don't see how brooks is gonna refuse to go small against any team in the post season.

Cold-Blooded
Cold-Blooded 5pts

When need to.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

So, all Orlando wants for Redick is no less than a first round pick? Why aren't we stomping on this??

AlexR44
AlexR44 5pts

 @BallSoHard

 Because we'd have to give up one or both of the Brookies. I don't think Presti wants to do that.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@AlexR44 It looks at this point that any trade made will have to involve Maynor.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@PerkPunt @FF_pickups @AlexR44 they are pretty close...although Martin is a better scorer given the minutes he plays. Martin has better 3PT% and Redick has a better Drtg.

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @BallSoHard  @AlexR44  in mpg?

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BallSoHard  @AlexR44 Redick's stats are almost identical to KMart's

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@AlexR44 Both? I doubt that.

AlexR44
AlexR44 5pts

 @BallSoHard  @AlexR44

 Actually it only works if we give up Maynor, Orton, and Lamb. And you also want to give up a first for a possible rental? 

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 9 Like

Good Morning, DT!  Just checking in to this morning's episode of Trade Talk Tuesday.  Someone holler if anything happens.  :)

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010  i like the wink avi better ;)  TC!  

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @PerkPunt 

It did make it difficult to say anything semi-serious . . .

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @BallSoHard  @ThunderChick2010  @PerkPunt 

See?  :)

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

@ThunderChick2010 @PerkPunt you're joking...right?

Fezzy
Fezzy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 SOMETHING HAPPENED!

AlexR44
AlexR44 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I am getting absolutely no work done for the next 3 days (Tues - Thur). My work hates the NBA trade deadline.

AlexR44
AlexR44 5pts

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bzd9pmp

 

What about this trade? We'd also have to toss a first rounder to Orlando (our's or Dallas's protected first).

areayewhy
areayewhy 5pts

 @AlexR44 link doesn't work. i'm guessing reddick

AlexR44
AlexR44 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

OKC gets Steve Novak.

 

NY gets JJ Reddick

 

Orlando gets Eric Maynor, Daniel Orton, Iman Shumpert, and first rounder from us.

areayewhy
areayewhy 5pts

 @AlexR44  @FF_pickups misread the trade. i have my own trade machine i'm looking at. lol

AlexR44
AlexR44 5pts

 @areayewhy  @FF_pickups

 Annnnnddd they're getting him.

areayewhy
areayewhy 5pts

 @AlexR44  @FF_pickups only thing is the knicks want reddick

AlexR44
AlexR44 5pts

 @areayewhy  @FF_pickups

 Get on the horn to Sam Presti then. Let's go!!!!!!

areayewhy
areayewhy 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @AlexR44 orlando would say yes. they want shump and a first for reddick

Perk-Punt
Perk-Punt 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @AlexR44  novak's shooting would be nice

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @AlexR44 Not bad for us but I think Orlando says no.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @AlexR44 Machine is broke.  What was the trade?

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