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Friday Bolts – 3.8.13

by Royce Young on March 8, 2013 at 8:49 am 346 Comments

BoltsLogoNewJohn Rohde: “Upon entering Madison Square Garden for Thursday’s morning shoot-around, the first security I saw immediately asked about the James Harden. Security: “How could you guys not sign him?” Me: “Couldn’t afford to. No cap space and tax penalties would have been too severe.” Security: “Man, everybody has to pay taxes.” Me: “Sign Harden and it would have been about $15 million in salary and potentially $10 million in taxes. You think Harden indirectly is worth $25 million when Kevin Durant is making less than $17 million?” Security: “No, but you still should have signed him, man.” Me: “That’s the problem when you have several players turn out to be great with contracts only a year apart.” Security: “The Knicks would have paid it.” Me: “I don’t doubt it.”

Ken Berger of CBSSports.com: “Incredibly, Anthony’s knee issue robbed those in attendance and a national TV audience of what would have been the first matchup between Anthony and Durant at Madison Square Garden. It was the Thunder’s first game here since December 2010, two months before Anthony was traded from Denver to New York. “Melo’s like my big brother, and I enjoy competing against him,” said Kevin Durant, who had 34 points, eight rebounds and six assists. “But it’s better for our team that he’s not playing. I love to play against him. I hope he gets back healthy. We’ll see him in a couple of weeks anyway back in Oklahoma City. It’ll be a fun matchup, so I’m looking forward to that.” Durant paused. “Would’ve been in the Garden, playing against him,” he said. “It would’ve been a good battle, but I’m glad we got the win.” It was a good battle anyway, but one with an ending that didn’t have to be so anticlimactic.”

Fun fact about last night’s win: That’s the Thunder’s first one-point win of the season.

From Elias: “Kevin Durant scored 34 points and the Thunder needed every one of them as they eked out a 95-94 win over the Knicks in New York. Durant’s point total equaled the NBA high this season for a player in a game his team won by one point. Kobe Bryant and Monta Ellis also had 34-point games in one-point wins by their respective teams, each within the last week. The only player in the last 15 seasons to exceed Durant’s point total in a one-point win over the Knicks at Madison Square Garden was Tracy McGrady, who scored 35 points in a 92-91 Rockets victory at New York in January 2005.”

NBA pickup comparisons — fantastic. I’d say my pickup comparison would probably be Ray Allen, except for the statuesque form, and ability.

Brian Windhorst of ESPN.com: “Now, it’s mostly right back to where the Knicks were a year ago. They are in much better position because they have a deeper bench, on balance play better defense and Anthony has carried them to numerous victories. But they still can’t seem to maximize their resources; it still constantly feels like they’re leaving something on the table. It seems like there ought to be a way to make teams deal with Anthony, Stoudemire and Chandler all at once, the way top teams like the Thunder have been able to meld their stars’ talents together. That golden game plan continues to allude them consistently.”

Mike and Mike talking Thunder-Knicks.

Seth Rosenthal of Posting and Toasting: “That stung. It took a special and mostly positive set of circumstances for that game to sting like it did, though. I got the feeling before tip-off that most of us sat down to watch this one praying for an unlikely win, but steeled for a blowout loss. Anything in between would spell heartbreak, and that’s what we got. Playing their fourth game in five nights without Carmelo Anthony against the 44-16 Thunder, New York didn’t fold. The Knicks made an impressive stand against the league’s best offense and rode J.R. Smith’s delirious scoring performance as far as they could. Alas, even that crazy critter’s proudest night can only take one so far. Relying on J.R. when you’re missing Melo is a bit like crashing your car, then hitching a ride home on a carriage driven by rabid jackals: It’s exciting as hell and surprisingly functional, but the journey’s rife with detours and when the dogs start drooling, you’re in trouble. You know?”

Barbara Barker of Newsday on Westbrook: “Russell Westbrook hasn’t quite gotten the message that he is a superstar. Unlike the rest of his NBA brethren, he still talks to reporters in the locker room before big games, and he still earnestly rattles off cliches about needing to improve. Make no mistake: Westbrook is a big-time player, one whom the Knicks were challenged to find an answer for in Thursday night’s 95-94 loss to the Thunder.”

Tom Ziller of SB Nation on the Nuggets: “Should the Nuggets make it to the second round, what will it take to spook the Spurs or Thunder (assuming those teams advance)? Better defense. Much better defense. The West’s two best teams feature two of the league’s best offenses. Denver’s defense is middle of the pack, despite the presence of some really good defenders, including the elite Andre Iguodala. In particular, Lawson will need to slow Tony Parker or Russell Westbrook, which pretty much no one in the NBA can successfully do on a regular basis. The defenses of OKC and S.A. are quite good, too, so Denver can’t bet on being terribly efficient on that end.”

Chris Mannix of SI.com: “That’s fine with Durant, who only wants another shot at beating James where it matters most. It has been a long eight months since the Thunder watched Miami celebrate a championship, an interminable stretch broken up by highs (an Olympic gold medal) and lows (two regular-season losses to the Heat). Getting back to the Finals won’t be easy, not with San Antonio, Memphis and the Clippers standing in the way. Durant and Westbrook have logged heavy minutes this season, and will have to take on more when the playoffs start. Yet throughout the Thunder locker room, the sentiment is the same: Let’s get to it.”

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small town girl
small town girl 5pts

Regarding John Rohde's conversation with an MSG employee. "You think Harden indirectly is worth $25 million when Kevin Durant is making less than $17 million?” First of all, I agree completely that the luxury tax penalty would be too hefty for the team to pursue its long-term goals and the right move was made. I know he says "indirectly worth $25," but overall this comparison is like going to the grocery store on a $100 budget, buying two jars of caviar at $45 each then blaming the third jar for costing the same amount when the grocery list is the problem. Another answer would be "This is a really good and really frustrating problem to have. Businesses (including non-LA or NY-based  NBA team rosters and front offices) frequently have to choose between talented employees that may leave to pursue opportunities elsewhere, but most businesses don't make these decisions on such a public stage. It always hurts to lose that talent, but we believe in our ability to develop and compete." It's not a sexy answer, but it's honest.

As Promised
As Promised 5pts

http://dailythunder.com/2013/03/3-on-3-bench-please/

GoodKid
GoodKid 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

Did anyone else hear Brooks in the first quarter yesterday when Durant had his back to the basket near the Thunder bench and was looking to pass and Brooks said "Alone, Alone... Go to work." Then Durant did a Durant move and easily swished his first basket over his defender. Man I smiled after I heard and saw that.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Teams traveling from the west coast to Denver on 2nd night of a back to back are 3-41 since '07-'08. 

this is the biggest homecourt advantage i've ever seen...wow mane

Keith00
Keith00 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

 @kennygee90 Did you by chance catch the home-court advantage article from ESPN last week? It showed how certain teams to get a considerably greater benefit from home court advantage in the regular season, with Utah and Denver being the biggest winners by a wide margin. They went on to explain that while the high altitude of both cities certainly helps, it wouldn't fully explain the giant disparity. Ultimately they charted travel, and noted that Utah and Denver by far get the most help from teams being on the second half of back to backs or having to travel a long way in a short time. It's actual the geographical location of the cities (being farthest from anywhere else) that gives them the biggest boost.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @kennygee90 Notably, they mentioned that this advantage disappears in the playoffs because teams don't play back-to-back and have the luxury of being in town a day ahead of each game. This is part of the reason why Denver isn't considered a contender, they actually end up weaker in the playoffs than their regular season numbers suggest.

kennygee90
kennygee90 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

i never knew dat ...great infor mane @Keith00

THUNDER FOR THE WIN
THUNDER FOR THE WIN 5pts

Q: What's the difference between the Charlotte Bobcats and a dollar bill?

A: You can still get four quarters out of a dollar bill. source

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @thunder for the win a dollar bill gets better quality strippers

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Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @fun police well... they're on like a 6-0 run 

D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion)
D-MC (DT Heavyweight Champion) 5pts

 @Lost Ones  @fun police http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-52YT9zp5YSI/Tf6mhAOUSSI/AAAAAAAAAis/X3JZnwvzZJ4/s1600/Debbie+Downer.jpg

Tronchaser
Tronchaser 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @fun police Well said, Mr. fun police

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

idk if anyones noticed but after a hot start nick collisons impact has dropped significantly since January ended.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lost Ones Hopefully it's just variance and not the sign of a decline.

 

                        minutes/g           FG%         Reb/g          pts/g       +/- per 36

First 30 games:      19.7               63.1           4.5               6.0           +9.6

Last 31 games:       18.8              58.4            3.7              4.4            +8.9

DXL
DXL 5pts

 @Lost Ones Fisher's minutes seem to cut into Collison's minutes.

 

Knicks game: Fisher 14 minutes, Collison 10 minutes

Lakers game: Fisher 18 minutes, Collison 12 minutes

 

Not good.

BrockSuede
BrockSuede 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Lost Ones Noticed, but ignored because of Nick Collison homerism. CAN YOU REALLY BLAME ME!?

 

Air Bud
Air Bud 5pts

Sources: NBA near an agreement to test players for Human Growth Hormone. http://es.pn/WyZ9aR

DeMolay_Thunder
DeMolay_Thunder 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Skyline *Cuts to LeBron calling his biologist buddies*

areayewhy
areayewhy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @DeMolay_Thunder  @Skyline the nba would never publicize that lebron tested positive for hgh. they'll just fine/suspend smaller players.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @DeMolay_Thunder  @areayewhy  @Skyline This means almost nothing. They are going to publicize when they test for something new, but are never going to publish a report with all the things they DON'T test for. You don't need HGH if you're bloodstream is saturated with steroids and synthetic adrenaline.

DeMolay_Thunder
DeMolay_Thunder 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @areayewhy  @Skyline Probably. Norris will be the fall guy. lol.

CLthunderfan
CLthunderfan 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

If practice is what gets you minutes in games, then Damn, fisher must be the MVP in practice to get this many minutes.  Actually I wish there was a way to watch practice to see how it is. 

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @CLthunderfan I find it hard to believe that fisher old ass looks better in practice then lamb/brewer 

CLthunderfan
CLthunderfan 5pts

 @Lost Ones im not so sure so, im still under the impression that lamb looks stoned every game.  im sure he looks like that in practice as well. 

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

 @Lost Ones  I still think Lamb may be more "stashed", than "ignored".  I can't help but feel he's being saved as insurance for our negotiations with Kmart.

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

 @dollarbillrussell   I'm looking at it that if Lamb were to play more, it would likely come at the expense of Kmart's minutes.  The less use we get out of Kmart this year, the less return we get on the Harden trade.  Sure, we could play Lamb instead of Kmart and perhaps help his development, but I kinda think that Lamb is in a position similar to where Reggie was last year in that he didn't really get a pre-season with the Thunder and has had to learn on the run.  Kmart is in the same situation, but being the vet that he is, has made the transition more smoothly than I think we could expect from Lamb.  This off-season, when it comes time to negotiate with Kmart, having a suitable (and healthy) inexpensive replacement in the wings helps the Thunder's bargaining position.  Should  Lamb play more and get hurt, the power would shift to Kmart...or whoever we might try to get to replace his scoring.  If we really needed Lamb (or Jones), I think either would play.  But there's no real "need" for them to play more at this point, only "wants".

dollarbillrussell
dollarbillrussell 5pts

@TaoMaas @Lost Ones What would be the motivation behind this? Lamb is locked in on his rookie contract, it's not like if he gets minutes and plays well were gonna have to make a decision about resigning him in the offseason.

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

 @CLthunderfan   Either that or Brewer looks really lost still.  Who knows?

O O O O O O
O O O O O O 5pts

 @FF_pickups any way to now PPP after a westbrook rebound? 

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @O O O O O O unfortunately, I don't know of a way to look that up.  I'd like to know what the rebound percent is for the team when Westbrook misses on a drive to the basket.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

How is thunder  player minutes determined? Skill, Loyalty, Production, or effort?

DeMolay_Thunder
DeMolay_Thunder 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lost Ones It's all based on how well Brooks plays darts that day outside of Westbrook and Durant.

Sigmund
Sigmund 5pts

 @Lost Ones Experience, effort, production, skill. In that order.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @Sigmund Its sad that you're probably right, its even more sad that production is after experience.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@Lost Ones "Our season is much bigger than wins and loses."

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @BallSoHard  @Lost I really got you upset huh :(

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @BallSoHard  @Lost  @Lost well i guess you can follow me with hurt feelings for the rest of the day 

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@Lost Ones @Lost have been...but i couldnt ignore that comment

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @BallSoHard  @Lost  @Lost then ignore me, dont follow me acting butthurt 

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts

@Lost Ones @Lost you're too much for me today

Keith00
Keith00 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lost Ones I imagine much of it has to do with practice and production in games. But also, probably a lot just by feel.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @Keith00 Idk about the production aspect but i think you're right about practice 

Podirk
Podirk 5pts

Do we want a Laker loss or a Raptor Loss?? I'm thinking Raptors.

Sigmund
Sigmund 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Podirk Raptors obviously. Lakers would be easy first round matchup, I hope they make playoffs.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @Sigmund  @Podirk Agreed. The potential of a higher draft pick outweighs the schadenfreude of seeing LA miss the playoffs. LA loses first round either way, while the Tor pick could be a huge part of our future.

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

"Our season is much bigger than wins and loses."

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I must say i like the fact that brooks only played perkins 20 minutes, hopefully he starts applying similar strategy to martin fisher etc

Legendary_Dork
Legendary_Dork 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lost Ones impossible,  brooks mins with vets is based on the RINGZ philosophy 

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Legendary_Dork  @Lost Ones  I think Brooks likes Fisher because he sees an unathletic, short back up point guard who through gut and guile has made a career for himself in the NBA.  Just Like Scott Brooks was.  He likes Fisher because he thinks Fisher is Scott Brooks the remix.

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@ Lost Ones    I think he stuck with Maynor (pre-injury) because he, Harden, and Collison were chewing up our opponents' 2nd teams....something we haven't really been able to say ever since Maynor got hurt.

f5alcon
f5alcon 5pts

 @TaoMaas  self sullinger?

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts

 @FF_pickups   Hmm....does it count as a Sullinger if you re-post something you posted the other day?

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Lost Ones  @Legendary_Dork Yep, and it shows you the type of ego and arrogance we are dealing with here.

Sigmund
Sigmund 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @FF_pickups  @Legendary_Dork  @Lost Ones Brooks was better player than Fisher.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @FF_pickups  @Legendary_Dork i think that's why he stuck with maynor so long as well..

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Lost Ones Brooks has done a good job taking us from point A to point B but now we need someone to come in and finish the job.  He helped build the car but he can't drive it for sh@#

CLthunderfan
CLthunderfan 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @FF_pickups  @Lost Ones at least he hasnt wrecked the car, there are alot of coaches could come in and just wreck the car.  

seth_22
seth_22 5pts

 @CLthunderfan  @FF_pickups  @Lost Ones D'Antoni

Barry Amenema
Barry Amenema 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @FF_pickups   

and we degraded prisoners

destined

to hunger until we eat filth

 

while the imagination strains

after deer

going by fields of goldenrod in

 

the stifling heat of September

Somehow

it seems to destroy us

 

It is only in isolate flecks that

something

is given off

 

No one

to witness

and adjust, no one to drive the car

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Barry Amenema  @FF_pickups 

I really have little trouble picturing you living in the basement of a library . . .

Blood-Game
Blood-Game 5pts

@FF_pickups @Lost Ones lol who's that person gonna be?

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @Blood-Game  There are a lot of coaches who can coach a better tactical game than Scott Brooks. A LOT.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @FF_pickups basically how i feel..... its like the gym for example........i can keep trying to do the same routine that got me where and not fight the plateau that's in front of me or i can try something new and get over the edge.

TaoMaas
TaoMaas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Lost Ones   But that's just it...Brooks IS trying new things this year.  He just isn't doing what you want him to do so you think he's not doing anything.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @FF_pickups got me where i am*

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