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The good, bad and very, very, ugly of Twitter

by Royce Young on March 14, 2013 at 12:06 pm 657 Comments
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Attention: This post has got some very rough language involved. Parental discretion is advised.

 

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“Fuckin coon, burn in hell!!!”

That’s what someone tweeted Kevin Durant after the Thunder’s loss Monday night to the Spurs.

“you suck b and you a fag”

That’s what someone tweeted Russell Westbrook.

“you’ve gotta be borderline retarded for the decisions you make on the court… Take some pride”

That’s what someone tweeted Serge Ibaka.

And that’s just the start of it.

Twitter, it’s an amazing thing, man. It’s my newspaper, except unlike a newspaper, it gets printed every five seconds. Information, jokes, insight, analysis, all instant, all day long.

It’s also really the only gateway fans have ever had directly to professional athletes or celebrities. It’s kind of like having their phone number, except it’s a special kind of phone where the text messages mostly only go one way. You can tweet at them how awesome you think they are, or with requests of retweets or birthday shoutouts or whatever, and hope they respond or at least pretend in your head they read it and will cherish it forever.

But Twitter, and even Instagram too, are open microphones for anything that anyone wants to say. It’s essentially social heckling, but with the luxury of being hidden behind an anonymous username without people in an arena giving you looks when you say that horrible thing to a player. It’s a transmitter for hate, for putdowns, for vile words.

And when you’re someone like Durant, who has more than 3.7 million followers, you’re going to get more than your fair share.

For example, a sampling of what a couple Thunder players were tweeted Monday night:

@kdtrey5 play like yu got sum fuckin nuts .. Lookin soft as hell bruh

— original kriminal ™ (@biggsTRiPPYmane) March 12, 2013

@kdtrey5 soft ass nigga

— Gabe pinedo(@DearGabe_) March 12, 2013

@kdtrey5 it’s one fuckin game calm down you overgrown vagina. Jesus

— Δamer (@Aamer_24) March 12, 2013

@russwest44 you took 14 MORE shots than Kevin and you still COULDN’T outscore him!!!!BE A TEAM PLAYER YOU BALLHOG!

— John Doe (@AusPro777) March 12, 2013

@russwest44 yo dumbo! In a nut shell you shoot way more than @kdtrey5 and tonight you unleashed 27 bricks?! Man youre the ultimate ballhog!

— vicente gonzales (@vicentegee) March 12, 2013

@sergeibaka9 can anyone say miss miss miss miss. Lol cmon how u on OKC. U are garbage.

— DDG (@DustyDaGreat) March 12, 2013

@kdtrey5 fuck u stop bitchin and whinin’ on twitter and man the fuck up and win a game

— Tim Ermilio™ (@ERMILIOS_pizza) March 12, 2013

@russwest44 I hope you sleep good tonight knowing your the reason your team lost. Give the ball to the true star on that team. KD.

— Mohamad (@Pali_Mudda) March 12, 2013

Has anyone considered assassinating @mettaworldpeace or @kendrickperkins yet or am I gonna have to be the one.. #MostAnnoyingNiggasEva #SUCK

— Put A White Boy In (@NBA_CRACKA) March 12, 2013

@russwest44 you need to train with magic or nash this offseason and learn to run the fucking point

— THE GINGERBREAD MAN (@Zcarp4life) March 12, 2013

@kdtrey5 YOU A PUSSY FOR DELETING YOUR TWEETS MAN, MILLIONS SAW IT, JUST SHOWS YOUR A CERTIFIED PUSSY

— Save Dallas (@Dwight2Dallas) March 12, 2013

KD – 13 attempts, 26pts, Westbrook – 27 attempts, 25pts. PG shot twice over the SG. What a dumb player @russwest44 is so freaking dumb.

— Siegfried Kiel Sañez (@siegfriedkiel) March 12, 2013

Now, after spending a good amount of time browsing through their mentions, I would say they receive at least 5-to-1 positive to negative tweets. In some cases, it’s way higher than that. (The other thing I learned: Grammar and spelling have died. They’re dead. Forever.)

Players love Twitter because it increases their exposure, enhances their brand and gives them an ability to connect to the fans that give them an opportunity to make millions of dollars playing a game. They can promote their shoes, show off their interests, answer questions and send out pictures. Twitter places fans as close as they’ve ever been to the stars they idolize. It’s awesome.

But again, it’s got that darkside. Don’t believe me? Take a tour through Dahntay Jones’ mentions right now because of this Kobe thing. It’s horrifying.

I’ll fully admit it: I’m a fairly thin-skinned person. The criticism and trash-talk I get often gets in my head. And comparatively, it’s nothing. But I know if it bothers me, it has to bother them, right?

“People don’t really know how much words can really hurt sometimes, no matter who you are,” KD told me. “NBA players, lawyers, doctors — words hurt. They cut deep. I think people on Twitter specifically really don’t know because they’re behind their computer, you know what I mean?”

I asked Perk, who was on Twitter last season and then left it before reviving his account this season, if he reads what people send him. Does he check his mentions routinely?

“I do,” he said. “Sometimes I respond. I shouldn’t, but sometimes I do. I had to respond to one dude who was like — I posted a picture of my kids — and he was like ‘your kids are ugly’ and I’m like what and he’s like ‘I hope your kids die tomorrow.’ So I followed him and I DM’d him. I didn’t say nothing crazy but I was like come on man, you want my kids to die? Sometimes it gets outrageous, but I guess it’s just part of life. But a dude get out of hand it makes you sometimes want to shut off your Twitter.”

@shaboopie16 because ya mama was bothering me the night before all night

— Kendrick Perkins (@KendrickPerkins) March 12, 2013

Said KD: “I’ve had some bad tweets as well, hoping I tear my ACL, my mom this, your dad that. It’s a bunch of BS and I think sometimes people don’t really know what they’re saying. But what can you do?”

I know what some of you are thinking: They’re professional athletes. Deal with the criticism and if you’re sad, cry into your millions of dollars. It’s just trolling — get over it. And while yes, these guys have it very good and because of their status are available targets for ridicule, they also aren’t robots programmed to run up and down a basketball court for your personal enjoyment, or to be your personal punching bag. Believe it or not, they are, in fact, people. Yes, they’re public figures and yes, that puts them in a very unique situation when it comes to this kind of stuff, but that doesn’t mean they deserve to be blasted with hateful and harsh stuff every night.

“I think as NBA players sometimes people look at us, I don’t know a good way to say this, but as animals sometimes,” Durant said. “Like, ‘just go out there and entertain and don’t say nothing back, we can say what we want to, we can do what we want to and you can do nothing to us.’ So I mean, sometimes you just want to let people know you hear it. We’re human. It hurts. We go through emotions and feelings.”

And it can get in your head. One player told me privately that the distraction of critical tweets can have an effect. Take that kind of routine verbal beating about the way you look, the way you play or the way you do anything, and it can get to you. You can tell yourself those people don’t matter, you can try to turn the other cheek, but it’s not easy to simply ignore.

So what are the options? Here’s one thing that’s probably not recommend unless you’re Perk: Did you guys see that boxer that took matters into his own hands with a Twitter heckler recently? Basically, he had enough with a guy tough-talking him so he did a little research to find out exactly where he lived and afforded him to put his fists where his 140 characters had been. When it came down to it, Internet Tough Guy wasn’t so tough after all.

It reminded of a Seinfeld episode where Kramer’s girlfriend heckles Jerry during his act, so he decided to go to her work and heckle her back. Not that Russell Westbrook should hunt down anyone that calls him a ballhog on Twitter, but you can always retweet some to expose the ignorance. People are mostly anonymous on Twitter, so at the least you can ruin the little online world of 140 characters or less they’ve built for themselves.

Because that’s really the only option there is, outside of blocking them or just deleting your account all together. Moves that are probably futile though, because the lesson is, as always, is that people are the worst. Seriously, read the comments on an Instagram picture posted by KD or Westbrook. It will make you wonder why God hath not smote us all from Earth.

So why even have it at all?

“You know how I look at it?” Perk said, “for everyone one negative person that’s on Twitter you’ve got 20 positive people. So that’s how I try to take it.”

Which really, is just about all you can do.

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ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

Early Bolts!

http://dailythunder.com/2013/03/friday-bolts-3-15-13/#respond

 

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

Good Morning DT!  Happy Friday, Happy Game Day, and Happy Spring Break Eve to all you Oklahoma kids!  :)

BallSoHard
BallSoHard 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Mornin' ya'll....catchin' an early flight this morning.

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts

 @BallSoHard

 Hey BSH!  Where ya headed?

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

The Perkins debate (and really Fisher fits into this debate, too) really boils down to a stats vs. feel.  And I think test cases like Harden and Gay really buffer the stats guy argument.  The feel guys (I was one of them at the time who believed this argument) said that Harden's play would suffer once he was the main guy, that he couldn't scale his usage like that without seeing a huge dropoff, that his free throw rate wouldn't linearly extrapolate. ( It did and I was wrong.  I conceded defeat and switched sides to the stat guys side.)  So far, Harden looks like a top 5 offensive player in the league, a perennial all star and future MVP candidate.  Score one for the stat guys.  Rudy Gay being traded to Toronto, feel guys hated it. They said that sure, his box score didn't look great but he does things that make it easier for other players, that these high usage guys, you can't measure their value that way. There was no doubt that, according to the old school guys, that Toronto was getting over on Memphis. Heck, the Memphis coach was irate.  Now Memphis looks like a juggernaut and Toronto has a ridiculous contract for a horrible player.  Score another one for the stat guys.  Back to Perkins, it's the same argument as the previous two players.  Role vs. box score.  Feel guys are saying that you can't measure them by their box score because their role affects their box score.  There is some merit to that argument but the merit is marginal at best.

 

For an interesting article about the Gay trade, read this:

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/PerDiem-130314/nba-memphis-grizzlies-better-rudy-gay

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @FF_pickups

Just to add a note to the stats vs. feel camps, I don't think it can be an either/or thing . . . more of a both/and.  :)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

 

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @ThunderChick2010 Humans have input on building the model and right now, it's not even close, the models are better.  But the thing is that the models are only going to get better as we have more data to feed it and then the idea of betting against the model based on gut and feel is going to be archaic to everyone who understands how statistics work.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @Mr_F It's more difficult to model but it's not any different.  You don't know this but people in the 1990's and before were saying the same things about chess, that a computer could never beat a human at chess, they were proven wrong.  You'll be proven wrong, too.

Mr_F
Mr_F 5pts

 @FF_pickups  Also, basketball is not really all that much like chess, for computer models. Chess has pretty straightforward rules and inputs that the computer can calculate. Basketball has way more human variables and such.

Mr_F
Mr_F 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @FF_pickups  @ThunderChick2010 Even if the models are better, you can add value to the models with insights from experts. That's why I brought up the A's. Everyone watches "Moneyball" and thinks the story is how the new-school statistics beat out the old-school scouts, but the A's themselves don't see it that way. They use both types to give themselves as much data as possible to make a decision. And yes it'd be stupid to just take gut feel over stats, but that's not what I was saying.

Mr_F
Mr_F 5pts

@FF_pickups I *mostly* agree with this. But I disagree in that 1) I don't think you're giving Perk enough credit based on advance defensive stats, as @DXL pointed out, and 2) ultimately, I don't think it should be stats vs. feel, we should be finding a way to use both. I'm currently reading a book by Nate Silver (an advanced baseball stats guy) and he pointed out that the stats-centric Oakland As now have the highest scouting budget in MLB.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @Mr_F  "I don't think it should be stats vs. feel, we should be finding a way to use both"

 

I know this is the way that most people feel but I would argue that the stats guys are building model's that are getting better and better.  The feel guys are going to lose out because the stats guys are just going to quantify the parts of what the feel guys think and incorporate it into the model until the model is better.  People hate this idea because it seems to minimize the human part of the game.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human%E2%80%93computer_chess_matches

 

This is the exact same as Humans vs. computers in chess.  Eventually, the computer model is going to be better than the human approach, it sucks but it's a fact.

DXL
DXL 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @FF_pickups Sure the feel guys (pause) like Jeff Van Gundy appreciate Perkins. But the fact is the advanced defensive stat guys also like Perk. See Sportsvu and Synergy defensive stats. That's a consensus of feel and statistics.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @DXL You already have no credibility but the fact that you are pushing that stat guys love Perkins is setting a new standard.  He's an average defender by this stat:

 

http://bit.ly/WkPBPR

 

His defensive +/- numbers aren't spectacular.

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@FF_pickups There's guys like Amare who were expected to make huge jumps in his game when he left for NY, That stat guys hugely supported, and even more so when Melo arrived. That was two seasons ago, and the only way both play great is if the other is on the bench. A'lot of the "feel" guys suggested they wouldn't be a good fit. Stat guys didn't like Johnsons move to the Nets but feel guys liked the idea of a Will/Johnson backcourt twk man game. Even though they might not make it past the second round, that is still one of the better back courts in the league. One big story regular season statistics don't tell are what happens in the post-season. Teams like Memphis, and New Jersey will find regular season success but i don't think they can get past the other elite teams in each conference. In the post season stats are thrown out the window, match ups come to play, and having players who can make winning plays, who can impact the game more then one way other then scoring come to play. Z-bo is still a beast and Marc Gasol is arguabbly the best offensive Center in the league and both statistically put up good regular season numbers. In the post season outside of the upset with San Antonio, They'v failed dramatically. Harden's Rockets might have a chance against the Spurs basically due to match up situation, but Harden will struggle in that series. There isn't another strong suit for Harden other then scoring and playmaking, in the playoffs where the game slows down, fouls aren't called as often, and teams get to set up a defensive strategy purely around you without being rushed. He will struggle.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @ElMexiThunder  "There's guys like Amare who were expected to make huge jumps in his game when he left for NY,"

 

Actually, what I said was that the stats guy currently preferred model is that context barely matters.  Expecting someone to make a huge jump is implying the use of context so that's not a 'stats guy' approach.  I don't know where you got that stats guys thought that A'mare going to the Knicks would be awesome?  Please show me some citations of that.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @ElMexiThunder I've been on here for three years but I rarely respond to anything that you post so you may not have noticed me.

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts

 @FF_pickups 

 

Its hard to show citations of that when that move happened two seasons ago. I can tell you right now, that some of the stat buffers on this board, and others thought his numbers go up heading to New York, and his play would be elevated. Not that you would know because i doubt you were on this board more then a year ago. 

lethalizer
lethalizer 5pts

I don't know if this was mentioned here before, but doesn't Lillard look like Mario from the Wire?

AIaska
AIaska 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

How good is chocolate milk though?

lbst405
lbst405 5pts

@AIaska you need to try Silk. It's dark chocolate almond milk. Taste better than regular chocolate milk and a lot more healthy!

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts

@AIaska Pretty good.... Almost as good as a ....... fell in the blank.

RWolverine
RWolverine 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PDwONlEJrM

 

This is the KD we miss 

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I'm out.  (But not in the Seinfeld sense.)  Good night all!  :)

El Prez
El Prez 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Does anyone else have some more Lindsey Stirling videos to post?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwH__x6jV6A

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts

@El Prez Leave my girlfriend alone!

SexyWatt
SexyWatt 5pts

 @El Prez

 no sir

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @SexyWatt serious question. Did you go to Baylor? 

SexyWatt
SexyWatt 5pts

 @D_Fish's_6th_Ring

 no lol

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @SexyWatt  @D_Fish's_6th_Ring o ok, i only ask because of you pf pic. lol

SexyWatt
SexyWatt 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @D_Fish's_6th_Ring  @D_Fish's_6th_Ring

 yes i do believe it was one of those years.  it was also the year that Kansas got upset in the first round by Bucknell or something like that.

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @SexyWatt  @D_Fish's_6th_Ring actually that wasn't the same time cuz they played in NJ the final four year I think.

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @SexyWatt  @D_Fish's_6th_Ring that was back when we John Lucas and he drilled that 3 against St. Joes to get us there. 

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @SexyWatt  @D_Fish's_6th_Ring I think it was, I went to the first 2 games in KC that year. 

SexyWatt
SexyWatt 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @D_Fish's_6th_Ring  @D_Fish's_6th_Ring

 not the last time.  I was there the year OSU played in okc.  that might have been the year they made the final 4.

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @SexyWatt  @D_Fish's_6th_Ring gotcha, pretty cool. Did you happen to make it to the NCAA Tourney when it was in OKC last? I was there cheering on UNI to an upset win over KU.

SexyWatt
SexyWatt 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @D_Fish's_6th_Ring  @D_Fish's_6th_Ring

 i just like this pic.  its from when the big 12 tourney was in OKC.  we bought 2nd night tickets and then OU lost the first night even though they were big favorites.  So on the 2nd night we were Baylor fans.

okcprophet
okcprophet 5pts

please someone tell me why we didnt pick up kenyon martin why we had the chance......

SexyWatt
SexyWatt 5pts

 @okcprophet

 are we trying to turn into a retirement home?

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okcprophet
okcprophet 5pts

 @SexyWatt  @MJOKC  @D_Fish's_6th_Ring bosh

SexyWatt
SexyWatt 5pts

 @okcprophet  @MJOKC  @D_Fish's_6th_Ring

 #faketoughguys

okcprophet
okcprophet 5pts

 @MJOKC  @D_Fish's_6th_Ring  @SexyWatt yeah even perk soft now that hes skinny LMFAO

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @MJOKC  @SexyWatt  @okcprophet because apparently KD need to "play like he has sum fuckin nuts because he's looking soft as hell"

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @MJOKC  @SexyWatt  @okcprophet liked for toughness.

okcprophet
okcprophet 5pts

 @SexyWatt hes looking young tonight 

okcprophet
okcprophet 5pts

 @MJOKC  @SexyWatt me too. 

okcprophet
okcprophet 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @SexyWatt let's not pretend our team is full of angels 

SexyWatt
SexyWatt 5pts

 @okcprophet

 ok and?

SexyWatt
SexyWatt 5pts

 @MJOKC  @okcprophet

 hadn't heard any of that.  imagine how much worse it would be with Martin.

okcprophet
okcprophet 5pts

 @SexyWatt fisher leaves teams he knows he cant win with 

SexyWatt
SexyWatt 5pts

 @okcprophet

 that doesn't say anything about his class.

okcprophet
okcprophet 5pts

 @SexyWatt he's got GREAT on court IQ

SexyWatt
SexyWatt 5pts

 @okcprophet

 he also doesn't have any class.  we don't typically sign those kind of players.

okcprophet
okcprophet 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @SexyWatt martin>fisher

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