Charles Barkley favors the Lakers over the Thunder

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Breaking: Charles Barkley doesn’t like the way the Thunder score points. And because of it, thinks the Lakers will win the West. Via Sports Radio Interviews:

Who do you like to win the West?

“The Lakers.” Host: Over Oklahoma City? “Yeah. I’m not a big Oklahoma City fan because I don’t think they get any easy baskets. Like last year I didn’t think they could win and the reason I picked Miami to win the championship, the only way you’re going to beat Miami is beat them up inside. That’s what their weakness is. You’re not going to beat them on the perimeter shooting jumpers with Westbrook and Durant.

The only way to beat them is the way the Mavericks beat them, with Dirk Nowitzki and Tyson Chandler down low. Unless Oklahoma City gets some low post scoring, they’re going to win a lot of games because they have two terrific players and James Harden is terrific also, but you’re not going to win the championship just shooting jumpers.”

People really respect Sir Charles and what he has to say. It’s why when he makes comments about something, you see it as a headline all over the place. It’s why I’m writing about what he has to say right now. But just because he has an opinion about it, doesn’t make it right. Or even intelligent.

Because to say that the Thunder lost in the Finals because they didn’t score in the paint is silly. They lost because LeBron James went to another level, James Harden didn’t play to his capability, they uncharacteristically shot poorly from the free throw line and the Heat exploited OKC’s matchup issues. Not to mention they got unexpected performances from Shane Battier and Mario Chalmers. It didn’t have to do with the Thunder shooting too many jumpers.

In fact, there’s this: In the five-game series, the Thunder attempted 131 shots at the rim compared to Miami’s 133. For the series, OKC scored 194 points from nine feet or less. Miami scored 216 inside that range. Not some massive distinction. In what I’d call a jumper (10 feet and out), the Thunder attempted 218 in the series with Miami taking 200. That’s 43.6 per game for OKC and 40 for Miami. Again, not significantly different.

Besides, what exactly is “easy” about a low post basket? What makes that “easier” than an open Kevin Durant jumpshot or a stop-and-pop from Russell Westbrook? Both are high percentage looks. Like I’ve said all along, the way you win is by making difficult baskets, not easy ones. Because there are no easy ones in the postseason. To act like the Mavericks beat the Heat by easy buckets in the post from Dirk and Tyson Chandler is revisionist history. They won by spreading the floor, knocking down perimeter shots and relying on Dirk to get tough baskets down the stretch. Not by scoring easily on the block. That’s nonsense.

(For reference, the Mavericks ranked 12th out of 16 teams in points per game in the paint in the 2011 postseason. They made 11.9 per game under five feet, third to last in the playoffs. They made 5.3 shots per game from 20-24 feet and 4.4 per game from 25-29 feet, both third most in the postseason. Dallas took 22 more shots from 25-29 feet than any other team in the playoffs. So tell me more about Tyson Chandler scoring down low. I’m listening.)

The Thunder were darn close to winning a championship with a middle finger at Barkley’s formula. He didn’t think they could advance deep into the playoffs “just shooting jumpers” and there they were, in the NBA Finals. They won Game 1 and gave away Game 2 with seven crucial misses at the foul line along with a horrific first eight minutes. In fact, the Thunder out-shot the Heat from the floor in three of the five games. OKC lost Game 3 despite Miami hitting only 37.9 percent from the field.

Regardless, it’s not about how you can beat the Heat anyway. That wasn’t the question. You don’t have to be better than Miami to be the Western favorite. It’s about how you beat the Lakers and Barkley favors L.A. over OKC, I guess because the Lakers’ inside strength. Didn’t exactly do them much good against the Thunder last postseason and you could argue they were better offensively with Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol than with Dwight Howard and Gasol.

Oversimplifying the critique of the Thunder to just “they shoot too many jumpers” isn’t fair. Because while OKC might not have a traditional back-to-the-basket big man, they scored plenty in the paint in transition, by attacking off the dribble and by cutting and slashing. Harden and Westbrook were two of the top rim finishers in the league last season. Westbrook ranked 10th in the league in points in the paint and Durant 14th. Four teams had two players finish in the top 20 of that: The Jazz, Lakers, Heat and Thunder.

OKC got their share of so-called “easy” baskets. They did it on the break or by straightforward athletic assaults on the rim. Or from Kevin Durant. He’s basically an easy basket in of himself.

(For reference: The Thunder ranked 10th in the league in points in the paint with 41.9 per game. Plus, don’t assume points in the paint equals wins either. The top 10: Nuggets, Jazz, Kings, Spurs, Grizzlies, Wizards, Lakers, Heat, Cavs, Thunder.)

OKC shoots lots of jumpers, yes. But that’s a convenient luxury when your primary scorers are terrific jumpshooters. Why would you go away from what makes you good? The Thunder were the second best offense in the league last season and were so very close to a title. Seems like the plan is working pretty well to me.

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cleandoe
2012-08-17 15:05:07
Noooooooooooooooooo Charles is always right :(
MisterJohnsonOKC
2012-08-17 15:09:59
Just like he picked LA to beat us last year after saying "Kobe can guard both Harden and Westbrook"
novelisticbee0
2012-08-17 15:10:46
I like Charles, for the most part, but I agree.
cleandoe
2012-08-17 15:11:11
 @novelisticbee0 *dis...?
novelisticbee0
2012-08-17 15:12:02
 @cleandoe No, that wasn't a typo. Lol
cleandoe
2012-08-17 15:13:28
 @novelisticbee0 Where's the 'but' from?
supreme35
2012-08-17 15:14:02
Exactly. He said the Lakers were going to win against us this past postseason when the series first started. Then when the Lakers were clearly losing the series he began to pick OKC.
Patrick OKC
2012-08-17 15:18:31
Chucky working on a new pair of boots!
Patrick OKC
2012-08-17 15:19:24
Also we need to get some animal cruelty people following Chucky around next time he's in OKC so we can make sure nobody let's him get on any more horses.
novelisticbee0
2012-08-17 15:23:27
 @cleandoe I like Charles, he's a good guy and sometimes I agree with what he says, but in this instance I agree with what Royce is saying.
supreme35
2012-08-17 15:24:51
The jumpshooting nonsense needs to stop. Like the talking heads when discussing the refs saying OKC and KD didn't earn the right to go to the free throw line during the finals as much because they are a jump shooting team. KD and Russ were in the top 5 of going to the free throw line and Harden was in the top 10? Yeah that means that the norm is for them to get to the line. But when they play the Heat in the finals then all of sudden it isn't. Okay.
Crow
2012-08-17 15:28:22
By immediate inclination was  to just say Barkley is right and intelligent on this.  But I appreciate that Royce went to the stats. So I'll just chew on both Barkley's comments and Royce's response before I decide and decide whether to comment.
cleandoe
2012-08-17 15:29:53
 @novelisticbee0 Aaaaah. Thanks for the clarification
cleandoe
2012-08-17 15:32:03
 @supreme35 Exactly. Why are the loving that Dwight will stop us in the paint if we are the major jumpshooting team they claim? It's just annoying that they never back it up with any facts
f5alcon
2012-08-17 15:38:32
 @Crow They are both right from a certain point of view, barkley means a post presence, big man, which we are lacking, mostly because we rebound so poorly, if we rebounded better our scoring method would be fine, it comes down to same things we all complained about last year with not boxing out, and playing lazy defense.
Lost Ones
2012-08-17 15:40:35
To certain extent i agree with Barkley, if we arent getting to the line it becomes a major problem
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-17 15:43:06
"But just because he has an opinion about it, doesn’t make it right. Or even intelligent."   This has all the makings of a DT recurring comment. 
KellOne
2012-08-17 15:46:13
Barkley thinks we're just a jump shooting team?  Is this news?  Really Sports Radio?
cleandoe
2012-08-17 15:46:42
 @ThunderChick2010 Oh please no
OBoymuzik
2012-08-17 15:47:49
hey Chuck, we signed 2 former first round centers this offseason!! i won't say their names but watch out
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-17 15:48:14
 @Crow  What is this?  A Crow post that is greater than one line long, but less than 152?   :)
KellOne
2012-08-17 15:48:26
 @OBoymuzik Here's a hint, one is nicknamed "The Dream"
cleandoe
2012-08-17 15:49:08
 @KellOne  @OBoymuzik AND HE TWEETS LIKE THIS!
KellOne
2012-08-17 15:49:54
Chuck won't be happy with OKC til we find a way to clone him from 20 years ago and build an offense around his cloned highness, Sir Cumference
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-17 15:51:01
 @cleandoe  Not naming any names, but I can see it already.
cleandoe
2012-08-17 15:51:03
This comment has all the makings of a DT Like Rainbow. Come on Jooseppi... 
cleandoe
2012-08-17 15:51:26
his comment has all the makings of a DT Like Rainbow. Come on Jooseppi... 
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-17 15:53:48
 @ThunderChick2010  You're getting a lot of mileage poking fun at Crow lately.
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-17 15:56:39
Are you collecting these in a file?
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-17 15:57:13
But he's been a good sport.
thunder_fan_in_korea
2012-08-17 15:57:18
I remember the rookie/soph game durant's rookie year when he said he would take yi janilin over kevin durant. the guy is entertaining. he has opinions. some are right, many are wrong.
TaoMaas
2012-08-17 15:57:24
 @Patrick OKC   Normally, a horse's ass is on it's rear...not on it's back.
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-17 15:57:25
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  And I'm finished now.
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-17 15:57:35
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  I promise.
cleandoe
2012-08-17 15:58:17
 @ThunderChick2010  @Jax Raging Bile Duct http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npj4EHzoeBQ
Crow
2012-08-17 15:58:18
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct i am ok with it today. i probably need more practice being cool
cleandoe
2012-08-17 15:59:27
 @ThunderChick2010 I have 3. It's not in a file per say but it is in my Photobucket album
Crow
2012-08-17 15:59:41
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct If Presti nevers cracks, then I shouldn't.
Crow
2012-08-17 16:00:23
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct among other things, it may be that the hot chicks love that
Crow
2012-08-17 16:01:04
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct especially the basketball luvin ones
Crow
2012-08-17 16:02:17
 @KellOne you suggest a good question. who is the current player most like barkley. now i have to research that
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-17 16:02:55
You're cool and I'm finished.
thelaughingwiseman
2012-08-17 16:03:36
Royce, please stop praising Lebron.  He didn't go off, the Thunder had no set defense to speak of.  They relied to much on their athletism.  They thought they can try and help on the cutter instead of worrying about assignments, which lead to open shooters at the 3.  I'm never going to give Lebron his due because Durant was at 5 fouls in 3 of those 5 games. 
Crow
2012-08-17 16:03:49
 @ThunderChick2010 it is ok, i think. just play it by ear
Crow
2012-08-17 16:04:44
 @ThunderChick2010 left totally unchecked i could do some damage. even checked i probably will though
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-17 16:06:22
It's a good thing I generally agree with OBoy and Jooseppi . . . 
thelaughingwiseman
2012-08-17 16:06:30
And the easy basket down low Barkley speaks of is the fact that MIA's interior defense is basically non existent and DAL had enough to take advantage of that.  It turns out they didn't really need interior defense since we had 2 defensive mind brutes in Perkins and Ibaka who couldn't score worth a damn.  But the real issue was Ibaka not being able to guard the stretch 4 in Battier and whomever, which showed in MIA 3 pointers that hurt the Thunder bad
cleandoe
2012-08-17 16:08:24
 @ThunderChick2010 It would be a damn shame if you didn't. I wish I had such a bright avatar as y'all. I'm thinking of making mine bright purple to increase the probability of the Like Rainbow (and so I'm included). I'm working on it :)
thelaughingwiseman
2012-08-17 16:08:54
The Thunder need to work on their all around defense.  They did not need to rely on the Interior offense of Perkins and Ibaka.  They needed to find a way to stay on their assignments and not blow their coverage of the outside. 
Crow
2012-08-17 16:09:35
 @KellOne initial results are carlos boozer and blake griffin but i am not totally happy with that
thelaughingwiseman
2012-08-17 16:09:58
 @Crow  @KellOne milsap!  Undersized but doesn't think he is!  I don't think he can run like him though...
Crow
2012-08-17 16:12:42
 @thelaughingwiseman  @KellOne Milsap didn't have the minimum assist% i was using in the search but he has improved in recent years on that and isn't far from the threshold
OBoymuzik
2012-08-17 16:14:43
Serge flew back to the US yesterday/today which makes me think he's going to work with hakeem..normally he doesn't come back until right before training camp   Also it sounds like Dwade is leaving the Jordan brand, i'd be pretty shocked if they don't consider Russ  
justin_mia
2012-08-17 16:15:18
I think Barkley is right and wrong.  OKC offense is obviously pretty good, no matter what criticisms you want to sling at it.  I don't think "jump shooting team" is a valid criticism, since OKC isn't so different from Miami in that respect (or the best jump shooting team in the league and best offense, San Antonio).  What's wrong with OKC's offense is that it tends to gum up in the half court.  When defenses are set (i.e. the other team scores), OKC struggles more than it should.  When OKC forces a turnover, or missed shot, even if there is not a fast break opportunity, they often get favorable cross matchups and whatnot which makes life a lot easier for the offense.  That's when they seem unbeatable to me.   The problem against the Heat was that OKC was taking the ball out of their net all the time and going up against a set Heat defense.  This will probably matter a lot more against this Lakers team since they might be even be better than the Heat defensively.  Barkley's right because the offense has an issue, but I think he's wrong because it isn't due to shooting too many jump shots.  It's because OKC can't play defense consistently, and struggles to score against set defenses more than it should.   Also, it does not help that we start every half of basketball with a horrifically unbalanced, ridiculous starting unit that DOES shoot too many jump shots.  
Crow
2012-08-17 16:17:14
The key is beating the Heat. The Thunder didn't go inside much less than the Heat but they didn't come close to beating them that way either. So I'm with Charles on this after reflection.
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-17 16:17:52
 @cleandoe  I don't spend a lot of time thinking about this, but since you brought it up . . . f5alcon had a bright red one for a while . . . Daniel Hawaii, who rarely posts these days, has the brightest blue.  You work on that purple!
justin_mia
2012-08-17 16:18:30
 @Crow  @thelaughingwiseman  @KellOne There is nobody in the league close enough to Barkley that making a comparison would even be worth it.
cleandoe
2012-08-17 16:19:45
 @ThunderChick2010 Yeah but isn't Daniel's like a sea or something. It's not all blue is it? That's the criteria
cleandoe
2012-08-17 16:21:59
 @justin_mia  @Crow  @thelaughingwiseman  @KellOne This.
OBoymuzik
2012-08-17 16:25:23
 @justin_mia last sentence FTW
justin_mia
2012-08-17 16:27:11
"OKC shoots lots of jumpers, yes. But that’s a convenient luxury when your primary scorers are terrific jumpshooters. Why would you go away from what makes you good?"   I wouldn't call Westbrook a 'terrific' jumpshooter.  43% eFG on jump shots last season according to 82games.  Harden and Durant both well over 50%.  Westbrook is like Wade in this respect, but Wade has at least curtailed the three pointers.  Russ attempted 3 3PA a game last year which I really don't like.  
justin_mia
2012-08-17 16:28:28
Will be interesting to see where Russ' FTA go.  Although he made strides with shot making last season, his drop in FTA hurt him just as much as his better shooting helped him.  If he could get the FTA back up he'd be a monster.  But there are other things for him to focus on before that, I think.... defense, mostly.
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-17 16:28:53
 @thelaughingwiseman And to add to your point - the proof is that Battier successfully defended Perkins whenever Perk got the ball on the block. That's just a low down dirty shame.
Crow
2012-08-17 16:31:13
 @justin_mia Starting lineup had 103 offensive efficiency and 108 defensive efficiency in the playoffs. The defense was 11 pts better on average in the regular season. The offense was the same.
Royce Young
2012-08-17 16:32:03
 @thelaughingwiseman Sorry, but LeBron was brilliant.
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-17 16:32:38
 @cleandoe  @ThunderChick2010 Now I'm going to make it my priority to find such a rainbow and like the comment just to mess it up.
justin_mia
2012-08-17 16:32:59
 @Crow I don't get that lineup at all.  Are they waiting for Serge to be something?  One of Thabo or Perkins has to come off the bench IMO.  I wouldn't be opposed to Serge coming off the bench either but I suspect he will start due to contract stuff.
Crow
2012-08-17 16:33:06
 @cleandoe  @justin_mia  @thelaughingwiseman  @KellOne i wondered about closest. i know that there really isn't anyone that close.
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-17 16:33:24
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @cleandoe  You may be slow, but you'll get there . . . right?
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-17 16:34:06
It's plenty blue.
cleandoe
2012-08-17 16:34:54
 @Royce Young  @thelaughingwiseman I don't want to 'like' this but I recognize it. Hey, there should be a button for that. Make it happen Livefyre
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-17 16:35:33
 @cleandoe  @Royce Young  @thelaughingwiseman It's unofficially called "I concur". A DTism.
justin_mia
2012-08-17 16:35:38
 @Royce Young  @thelaughingwiseman LeBron was fantastic.  Take away nothing from him.  But Brooks did him a mitzvah by double teaming him constantly.  Defense on LeBron first two games was good - Brooks completely flipped the script and panicked after game two and changed the defense on LeBron.  You don't double LeBron when he hasn't even put the ball on the floor, one pass away.  I thought our game plan defensively was good in the first two games, if Brooks would have subbed out Perkins or Ibaka to match up with Battier at PF we'd have a championship, IMO.
OBoymuzik
2012-08-17 16:35:42
 @justin_mia i think at some point he'll get more respect from refs...i think there are times when he just looks like hes out of control and they don't call fouls, but then there are times like games 2 and 4 of the finals where he should have got more calls than he did.I don't know if him complaining to officials hurts him or not   i'm pretty confident in his defense this upcoming season, his biggest impact on the olympic team was defensively and he had many big moments on the defensive side in the playoffs and only a few slip ups (leaving blake open, games 1 &amp; 2 against parker) I think he'll see how he can impact the game if he locks in defensively and be more consistant this year 
cleandoe
2012-08-17 16:35:45
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @ThunderChick2010 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Why would you do such a thing :(
Lost Ones
2012-08-17 16:36:25
 @Royce Young  @thelaughingwiseman not only did lebron take it to the rim at will he also rebounded his "occasional" misses with a lot of effort
cleandoe
2012-08-17 16:36:33
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Royce Young  @thelaughingwiseman I forgot about that
justin_mia
2012-08-17 16:36:44
 @Royce Young  @thelaughingwiseman Harden defended him was kind of weird too.  Brooks panicked when KD got into foul trouble, but many of KD's fouls were not even from defending LeBron.
Legendary_Dork
2012-08-17 16:36:57
*takes a deep breath* ................. EVERY FREAKING TEAM IS A JUMP SHOOTING TEAM......BARKLEY *shakes fist*    no team, EVER, has won all 82 games doing NOTHING but inside passing and dunking.   Btw the ONLY one whom jumps and shoots on our team is russ, and thats to get elevation and have his shot almost unblockable.   Im so sick of this OKC is a jump shooting team bullshit .   YEAH, well THIS jump shooting team made it to the damn finals barkley   sooooo  *blows raspberries*  &gt;.&lt; 
justin_mia
2012-08-17 16:38:50
 @Crow  @cleandoe  @thelaughingwiseman  @KellOne Even if you expand that to the last 30 years do you get anyone else?  Moses Malone is the closest I can think of off the top of my head but even then it's not right.  We'll see similar players to Jordan, Bird, etc. but Barkley was just weird.   Zach Randolph would be the closest IMO in terms of body, talent, skill set, etc. but obviously nowhere near perfect.
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-17 16:38:53
 @justin_mia  And to add to your point, often times Brooks asked Harden to be the first to check LeBron, and Harden needed help, so Brooks sent it. Not only does that defense not work, but you're asking Harden to do something that he can't do, which takes him out of his game. And we all know Harden wasn't on his game during the Finals. It would have been better to let Harden just guard him one on one, or if you insist on doubling, to let Harden be the guy to come and double. But no, Brooks didn't do either of those things.   Terrible decision if you ask me.
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-17 16:40:25
 @cleandoe  Because I kick kittens and puppies in my spare time, and this seems just as fun.
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-17 16:43:39
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R-02WxWO4I  
cleandoe
2012-08-17 16:44:12
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct For every Like Rainbow you mess up, I will remove 50 likes. Yeah I said it http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/508/watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png
SergeIblocka
2012-08-17 16:44:36
 @justin_mia  @Royce Young  @thelaughingwiseman I don't think you're using the term "mitzvah" properly here (literally it means "commandment" and I don't recall it every being used in slang this way), but other than that I agree with everything you've said
cleandoe
2012-08-17 16:44:48
 @ThunderChick2010 WTF
justin_mia
2012-08-17 16:47:33
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Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-17 16:48:28
 @cleandoe I can always just claim that I 'actually, genuinely' like the comment and sue you for my livefyre points back. ou_sas is my lawyer. Tread lightly, son.
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2012-08-17 16:49:07
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2012-08-17 16:51:27
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thelaughingwiseman
2012-08-17 16:54:26
 @Legendary_Dork We didn't win it though.  We were a few key defensive positions away from having that series.  Defense needs to be a key, especially for Ibaka Harden and Durant this season.  Or else we are doomed to see the cycle over and over and over and over...
thelaughingwiseman
2012-08-17 16:57:28
 @justin_mia  @Crow I'm waiting for Perkin to lower his minutes, but that is totally on Scott Brooks.  He can't run Perk like the other people.  He has to distribute that time to Others
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-17 17:01:14
 @cleandoe  You're going all out for the ROY G BIV aren't you. My resolve is strengthened. Some men just want to watch the world burn. #jokerface
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2012-08-17 17:07:24
ESPN is ranking NBA players, out of 500 Hollis Thompson is ranked 496. Eddy Curry is ranked last and our buddy Kent Bazemore is 499
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2012-08-17 17:07:29
Barkley picked the Nuggets over the Lakers in the first round, the Lakers over the Thunder in the second round and the Spurs over the Thunder in the third round.     I'm not sure, but, I don't think his most recent prediction bothers me.
cleandoe
2012-08-17 17:13:44
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct You know when it messes up and shows more than 3 likes at a time. IMAGINE WE COULD DO THAT WITH THE ROY G BIV :O
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-17 17:13:46
 @OBoymuzik Great find!
cleandoe
2012-08-17 17:14:04
 @AlexanderWest24 I like Fletch better
cleandoe
2012-08-17 17:15:02
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2012-08-17 17:19:13
 @cleandoe http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8246986/2012-nba-player-rankings-401-500   they've now added orton and Thabeet, Orton is 426(up from last year) and Thabeet is 443 (down from last year)
OBoymuzik
2012-08-17 17:22:12
 @cleandoe @Jax Raging Bile Duct i'm assuming they also don't consider Lazar a professional basketball player just like i don't
cleandoe
2012-08-17 17:23:17
 @OBoymuzik  @Jax Raging Bile Duct He's above these lot. It is just common knowledge so they don't need to mention it
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2012-08-17 17:25:47
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2012-08-17 17:28:47
 @ThunderChick2010 No way. Answer down below. Too slow.
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2012-08-17 17:30:09
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2012-08-17 17:31:11
 @cleandoe  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  ou_sas  It's very . . . purple.  :)   It's gonna take some getting used to.
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2012-08-17 17:33:11
 @cleandoe   It's very . . . purple.  :)   I think I like it, but it's going to take some getting used to! 
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2012-08-17 17:33:14
 @ThunderChick2010  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  I'm not sure I'm feeling it . Should I leave it? Maybe I'll grow into it . Or is it TOO different?  It can't be too purple though. I love me some grape drink. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuTjQLfU6Gk
SoonerSpens
2012-08-17 17:35:07
 @SergeIblocka  Nah, he's good on his mitzvah use. It can also be used to mean "good deed" a la charity, or whatnot.
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2012-08-17 17:37:52
 @AlexanderWest24 Fletch would never delete his comment
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2012-08-17 17:38:49
 @cleandoe Livefyre is being rather quirky.  I tried to reply a couple of times, but I keep getting some kind of ou_sas twitter message as I reply to your post.  ???  So ignore it if my comment shows up in duplicate momentarily.
justin_mia
2012-08-17 17:41:18
 @reddirt717 I like Chuck because he doesn't always get caught up with the media hoopla and seems to have his own thoughts, but sometimes I get the feeling that he just doesn't care all that much or pay attention until the playoffs start.  He's more in touch with the game from an analyst standpoint than, say, Shaq, though.  It's worth listening to what he has to say at least.
cleandoe
2012-08-17 17:44:52
 @AlexanderWest24 Hey. If that's what you're into. But leave Fletch, the Thunder, me &amp; TC out of this.
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 @cleandoe  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  It's funny how much you come to associate people with their avatars.  (I still have trouble NOT picturing bmuelle21 as Sam Presti or Jax as Brad Pitt.)  Jury is still out.  (I haven't concurred yet.)
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-17 17:59:48
 @cleandoe  @Jax Raging Bile Duct Did I miss an insult from the classy new guy above?  I need to know how offended I should be.
cleandoe
2012-08-17 18:00:03
 @ThunderChick2010  @Jax Raging Bile Duct Same. I don't see Brad Pitt though - it looks different to me so it make me think that is all that more the real Jax. I also imagine Crow as a robot (physically) - and it doesn't help that he always comes out with stats, writes in 1 line or 152. (I never said I'd stop)
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2012-08-17 18:01:06
 @ThunderChick2010  @Jax Raging Bile Duct He said f- Fletch, the Thunder, you and 'yo momma'
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-17 18:03:22
 @cleandoe  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  Haha -- missed that one, Sonny! 
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 @cleandoe  @Jax Raging Bile Duct Crow is an original.  Gotta love him.
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Legendary_Dork
2012-08-17 18:16:59
 @thelaughingwiseman lots of reasons we didnt win, cant just pin point one  &gt;.&lt; 
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2012-08-17 18:23:45
Barkley is becoming the Lee Corso of the NBA. "O no, don't pick my team to win!"
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-17 19:30:04
 @cleandoe  @ThunderChick2010 I don't look like Brad Pitt, but I am one handsome sun of a gun! Even if I do say so myself! (or am the only one who says it at all...)
myy_911
2012-08-17 19:44:32
In my opinion there's sense to Barkley's claims.  No matter what you say, whoever takes the shot, it is more likely that Kendrick Perkins will finish the game shooting 8 0f 8 from the inside than durant making 10 of 10 from the outside.
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-17 20:22:45
 @myy_911 8 of 8?  I love my Kendrick Perkins, but have you seen him shoot?
DennisBerry
2012-08-17 20:36:28
 @myy_911 Perk wouldn't shoot 8 of 8 if you locked him in a gym by himself. He'd go 3 for 8 with 4 turnovers and 3 illegal screens and get a technical.
El Prez
2012-08-17 21:57:12
Charles didn't go far enough in my opinion. You'll notice he said pretty much what I've been saying, "OKC with KD, Russ, and James will be an extremely entertaining team to watch, but won't ring the bell." It's not just the low post scoring--we all know that. I'm not going to go off in mid August with a TSN rant, but it's obvious to me Charles has been on the Daily Thunder and has been reading some of my sketch previews for the 2012-13 season. Whoever wrote Perk could conceivably go 8 for 8 on here should be drug tested by Royce before he/she is allowed to post again so as the credibility of serious posters isn't diminished on this site.
Daniel Hawaii
2012-08-17 22:08:09
"It’s about how you beat the Lakers and Barkley favors L.A. over OKC, I guess because the Lakers’ inside strength. Didn’t exactly do them much good against the Thunder last postseason and you could argue they were better offensively with Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol than with Dwight Howard and Gasol." The Lakers didn't JUST add Dwight. They also added 2 other potent offensive players in Nash and Jamison. So they have 3 very good offensive players coming in, with just one going out (Bynum, who was also kind of a locker room cancer.) The Lakers are a much better offensive and defensive team now than they were 2 months ago and I don't blame Chuck one bit for favoring them over us.
El Prez
2012-08-17 22:18:31
Let's quit beating around the bush when we write about Andrew Bynum. He's soft. he usually plays his best ball in the first 24 minutes of the game and not the last 24. Andrew Bynum is what I would decribe as a 'mentally relaxed' athlete. Let's put this in TSN perspective:   Dwight Howard 94% TSN rating, Andrew Bynum 58% Steve Nash   91% TSN rating, Ramon Sessions  63%   Plus, as you mentioned--they now have instant offense coming off the bench in Jamison.   What part of this is difficult to follow?
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-17 22:54:17
 @Daniel Hawaii Hey Daniel H . . . you're back!  I've decided not to worry about this until we see them play together.  Not sure if that's reasonable--or just denial.  :)
HookemKD
2012-08-17 23:11:01
You figure Charles got his ass kicked by MJ enough to figure out that you don't need low post scoring. And yes, I know, KD isn't MJ... KD is, in fact, more efficient. BUT (obviously) that isn't the only factor. Where the Bulls won their titles was on the other side of the floor, with suffocating perimeter defense. That's what OKC needs to win a title. BETTER PERIMETER DEFENSE! Anyone who thinks OKCs problems lie on the offensive side of the ball is over-analyzing...
HookemKD
2012-08-17 23:13:06
@El Prez Umm Dwight isn't exactly great at the end of games himself...
El Prez
2012-08-17 23:15:46
Name the best player Dwight Howard played with at Orlando?     I'll name the three best players he'll have beside him in LA: Kobe Nash Gasol   I think we have some here in denial of what just transpired.
jusaziam95
2012-08-17 23:50:57
 @HookemKD  KD is more efficient that MJ??? Really!? Why would mention the two in the same breath. Two different positions, and different style of play, so there numbers will NEVER match. Was MJ more efficient  that Shaq...absolutely not! Why? Different position and different style of basketball. Please do not distort ylour comments by mentioning pennies with dollars. MJ is in a class by himself, and the only person that could be mentioned close to him is the great Bill Russell. Thank you for reading...we should do this again sometime. :)
jusaziam95
2012-08-17 23:54:02
 @HookemKD  KD is more efficient than MJ??? Really!? Why would you mention the two in the same breath. Two different positions, and different style of play, so their numbers will NEVER match. Was MJ more efficient  that Shaq...absolutely not! Why? Different position and different style of basketball. Please do not distort your comments by mentioning pennies with dollars. MJ is in a class by himself, and the only person that could be mentioned close to him is the great Bill Russell. Thank you for reading...we should do this again sometime. :)
Treviedo
2012-08-17 23:54:12
 @El Prez 35, 38 and bad back...
El Prez
2012-08-18 00:03:31
Jus,,,just so you know...my all time TSN first team is as follows:   Magic Johnson   pg Michael Jordan   sg Larry Bird              sf Bill Russell           c Kevin McHale       pf
jusaziam95
2012-08-18 00:08:37
 @El Prez  El, as great as McHale was, I will remind you that defense adn rebounds win games adn championships, so my pf would be Mr. Twin Tower, the great Tim "Timmy" Duncan. A defensive guru, and he can score. Top that baby! lol!
jusaziam95
2012-08-18 00:15:42
El, with Tim Duncan on the first team I would agree with everyone else you had selected for my 1st team. My 2nd team would be: John Stockton----pg Kobe Bryant------sg Shaquille O'neal----c Scottie Pippen----sf Charles Barkley----pf  
Daniel Hawaii
2012-08-18 00:24:52
 @ThunderChick2010 Sorry I haven't been posting much here recently. I've just been too disheartened about our closest competition getting better with the Heat getting Ray Allen and the Lakers getting Howard, Nash and Jamison. I think our championship aspirations took a major hit this offseason.  
jusaziam95
2012-08-18 00:25:23
 @El Prez  You know your stuff El! I like the Sixers, and I am happy they are finally getting a legitimate center, one they haven't had since an old, but still effective Motumbo in 2001 for the playoffs after Ratlif went down with season ending injury.   However, the fact still remains that Andrew  hasn't played to his full potential, and if he's hoping to lead any team one day to the finals, he has to be consistently productive; that is how greatness is measured and differentiate from being a very good player with talent to a great player.
jusaziam95
2012-08-18 00:28:23
 @HookemKD  @El  You have a point HKD. However, he has been more consistent in every aspect of his game than Bynum, so for that reason, I am totally in a agreement with the trade and some aspects of Barkley's comment.
jusaziam95
2012-08-18 00:36:34
 @Treviedo  Kobe just turned 34 this month. By the end of his 6th ring this season he'll still be 34...just an fyi.   Also, the G.O.A.T. (Michael Jordon) was 35 when he won his 6th and final championship. He also scored 45pts. in that game.   Thanks for reading.
jusaziam95
2012-08-18 00:44:50
 @Treviedo  David Robinson also won his 2nd NBA title at the age of 37  with a bad back, and August of that same year, 2003 he turned 38.   Hello! See where I am going with this my friend.   Thanks for reading. We should do this again sometime :)
abizn
2012-08-18 00:48:13
 @jusaziam95 you can definitely compare EFG across different positions and styles.  The point is how often they get the ball in the bucket not how they do it.  Pennies with dollars can be compared for sure....100 pennies = one dollar.
DerekHamilton
2012-08-18 07:29:55
The author of this article missed Charles point. Yes Miami is a perimeter team like OKC the difference is they're better. Thats the point Charles was making you can't beat Miami at their game.
JMan55
2012-08-18 09:41:45
@DerekHamilton The author of this post missed everything. Face, meet palm.
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-18 14:21:15
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @cleandoe I'm sure Brad would be jealous of you . . .  :)   (In all seriousness, I KNOW he couldn't hold a candle to your wit.)
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-20 10:27:19
 @ThunderChick2010  awwww shucks... *stares down at his toes drawing circles in the sand*
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