James Harden: ‘I want to keep playing with the Thunder’

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It’s pretty obvious what James Harden wants. He wants to stay in Oklahoma City.

“I don’t know. I can’t make that decision,” Harden told Marca.com. “I only focus on playing. I want to keep playing with the Thunder. I feel like home and the team is special. My teammates are like my family. We can do big things. We’ll see what happens.”

And really, it’s pretty obvious what the team wants. The Thunder want to keep James Harden.

Unfortunately there are those luxury tax complications standing in the way, making this whole thing much more difficult and challenging than it should be.

Harden also recently said, “I’m pretty, a hundred percent, I’m pretty sure that I’m going to be in Oklahoma City.” But of course that quote came before Serge Ibaka signed his four-year, $48 million extension. That’s the complication I speak of, the thing that’s seemingly made Harden’s extension go from a slam dunk sure thing to somewhat of a question mark.

Most see Harden as a likely max extension kind of player, especially if he were to hit the market next summer as a restricted free agent. With players like Eric Gordon, Brook Lopez and Roy Hibbert landing max deals, surely the reigning Sixth Man of the Year would get one too.

The way Harden talks, it seems as if he’s got a number he’s told his agent he wants to hit and if it happens, it happens. He’s made it especially clear that his preference is the Thunder and that his eye isn’t wandering to options in restricted free agency. But it’s just a matter of what OKC’s ownership is willing to spend.

The indication is that the Thunder will open the checkbook for Harden and cross the luxury tax bridge when they get there. By either just paying it, trying to wiggle around it with the amnesty clause or by making a deal.

But the ball is in the Thunder’s court. Harden has put his cards on the table. The cat is out of the bag. The insert another cliche here to hammer home a point that’s been made already. This negotiation with Harden isn’t about trying to convince him to stay. That much is done. It’s just about hitting that number.

alvarex
2012-08-27 21:14:18
 @OkcBaby Honestly, if you put Lebron of today on that Cleveland squad, I think they beat the Spurs in 6.  He doesn't have MJ's killer instinct, but I still think Lebron is the best all-around pure beast of a player in the league.
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 21:13:17
 @cleandoe  @duhsweetness This is some strange version of dt reverse psychology to get you to admit you are him after all.  :)  Seriously, I don't know how anyone keeps up with more than one profile.  I'm sure I'd accidentally expose myself if I tried.
cleandoe
2012-08-27 21:11:30
 @ThunderChick2010  @duhsweetness but, but
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 21:13:13
 @cleandoe Lol Eastern conference is no where near what it was when MJ was playing
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 14:07:43
The number he told his agent is max
Hermit
2012-08-27 14:08:06
Not so impressed by words spoken during a contract negotiation.     Of course,  Harden will say the right things, so will Presti  ( if he says anything ) .     You can take what Harden says any number of differing ways,  he could just be laying the ground work for a graceful exit to PHX.
Hermit
2012-08-27 14:08:44
 @OBoymuzik Yes, he wants a max contract.    And he's not worth a max contract to the Thunder.
alvarex
2012-08-27 14:10:20
Harden will get a contract extension with the Thunder.  It might even be a "pennies away from a max" contract.  The real question will be 2 years from now when the owners are paying tons of money to 4 players.  If we win a championship in the next 2 years we'll see all 4 guys stay with the Thunder until their contracts are up.  If we don't, one of them not-named Durant will be gone.  Probably Westbrook.
diddoff
2012-08-27 14:10:32
The obvious question is how good the strip clubs in OKC are.
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 14:12:37
 @Hermit i can't decide, i don't think he'll ever be the same caliber of player as Westbrook or Durant, but i think if we can win a championship with this roster then we should go ahead and give him max. On the flip side if things fall apart and James regresses or just stays the same we'll be overpaying him and it would be hard to trade his contract
OBoyzOld Man
2012-08-27 14:14:45
The last quote from Harden in the Oklahoman article today strikes me as a very weak cop-out by James.   http://newsok.com/james-hardens-future-with-thunder-comes-down-to-dollars-and-cents/article/3704603    
sammasaaron
2012-08-27 14:19:15
 @OBoyzOld Man I don't know, that's a really awkward quote in that they didn't include the specific question he was asked. It could be as simple as him saying he's talked to his agent and Presti about things but isn't in the actual negotiating sessions.
Tricia_Status
2012-08-27 14:37:37
 @OBoymuzik  @Hermit Lets not make any assumption on what he told his agent.    I honestly think they are both going to get as much as possible to stay with the thunder. They knew from get go it wasnt max
Tricia_Status
2012-08-27 14:39:22
Cant they make Harden's contract a little like Jeremy Lin's to avoid the Luxury tax? Start out low and increase higher as contracts like Kendrick Perkins and others expire?
duhsweetness
2012-08-27 14:40:14
 @OBoymuzik  @Hermit I think given his age and what he's shown so far that even a big contract and a season of statistical regression wouldn't matter for most teams. Especially sub-par teams with room to make moves.
Hermit
2012-08-27 14:44:34
 @Tricia_Status  @OBoymuzik If Wojo reports that Harden wants the max,  then it came from Harden's agent.    Those are Wojo's primary sources and you can almost always take what Wojo reports , to the bank .     http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/20/video-wojnarowski-talks-ibaka-james-harden-future/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter  
propsizzle
2012-08-27 14:45:14
4 years. 55 million.  fair deal for both.
duhsweetness
2012-08-27 14:51:39
 @Hermit    You just like saying Wojo don't you?
duhsweetness
2012-08-27 14:52:47
 @propsizzle I would take a 55 year/4 million contract.
Barry Amenema
2012-08-27 14:57:06
 @diddoff I think the real hiccough in the negotiations is "How" not "How much."  Harden wants his salary in singles. (Anybody else?)
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-27 15:00:16
 @Hermit  "Yes, he wants a max contract.    And he's not worth a max contract to the Thunder."   I'd say if Serge is worth 4 years 50 mill to the Thunder, then it should be a no brainer that James is worth 4 years 60 mill to the Thunder.
Tricia_Status
2012-08-27 15:01:44
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Hermit HELLLL NO. The Serge move was strategic and you know it lol
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:03:30
 @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Hermit Strategically what?  Dumb?  I agree, if it costs the team James Harden.
ThunderUp35
2012-08-27 15:06:14
Pau Gasol looks like he's crying in the background of that picture, and when Pau's mad I'm happy
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 15:06:33
 @justin_mia  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Hermit No it wasnt dumb. You're great with numbers. Can you put Serge's numbers together with a bit of 4 years of forecasting forward. You guys act like he's garbage. Paying Ibaka prevents what happened when you guys shipped Chandler away...   YEAH I SAID IT. A BIG MISTAKE.  He's not Chandler but he's not worth losing in a league thats hungry for big men. 
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-27 15:10:05
 @Tricia_Status  I'm having a tough time following your logic. All I said was that if Serge is worth 4 years 50 mill, then James is worth 4 years 60 mill.   What is so strategic about the Serge move that it changes/affects James' value?
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:10:26
 @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Hermit Ibaka didn't improve much from year two to three.  He's also a PF, not a C.  Is Ibaka even in the Top 10 PF?  Top 15?  You're making the mistake of projecting Ibaka by filling all his holes, conceptually.  In reality, that's probably not going to happen and his improvements will be more incremental.  It's also the backwards logic that leads one to favor Ibaka over Harden - Ibaka is less skilled so he's going to improve more... but again, that's not how it works all the time.  Especially when one of those players has displayed consistent, almost linear improvement year to year while the other one has not (hint: Ibaka has not).    
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 15:11:19
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Tricia_Status They are independent of each other. It shouldnt be an IF then sort of deal. Even Presti will tell you that. The variables that affect who get signed to what deal dont intertwine. 
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 15:11:58
 @justin_mia  @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Hermit I said forcast...give me what you predict his numbers will be each year starting from 2013. Stop going backwards.
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:13:25
 @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct Presti's lying, of course Serge's extension has a bearing on Harden's.  If it did not then they both would have been extended the first day of eligibility.  There's a finite number that the team is willing to spend, presumably,  and Ibaka has taken a hefty chunk of that.  
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:14:13
 @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct In the end it's all a moot point of Harden is extended, but if he isn't then the extension for Serge was a mistake, because OKC should pay Harden the max if that's what it takes to keep him.
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-27 15:15:40
 @Tricia_Status They may say they are independent, but nothing could be further from the truth. They are both variables in an equation, one affects the other, they are not independent. If signing Serge means we lose Harden, it's a huge mistake. But nothing about Serge's deal changes the fact that Harden is worth more. James was a sure bet for a max contract all along, and Serge wasn't.   Hermit said that Harden wasn't worth the contract to the Thunder, and what I'm saying is that given what they paid Serge, Harden is obviously worth the max.   Whether they can afford to pay him what they think he's worth is another story.
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 15:17:39
 @justin_mia  @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct it's not stupid to extend ibaka if they wanted serge on the team long term it was the only choice, if his numbers only slightly improve this season he would get a bigger offer than what we gave him, on the other hand Harden wants max now or in free agency, so your not risking anything by letting him get there
EricMe
2012-08-27 15:17:57
 @justin_mia  If Harden stays with OKC, for productivity concerns. he will remain a bench player. Nobody is paying a max contract to a bench player for the next 5 years
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 15:18:09
 @justin_mia  @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct Presti isnt lying. Its true. They can wake up tomorrow and give James Harden a Max deal even with the "luxury tax" being there. Nothing is baring them from going right over that stuff.    Secondly...I'm starting to get real UGH when i hear yall go into detail about how "slowly" Serge has improved, but then you turn around and say its Okay that Harden hasn't made a basket since the spurs series. You cant just leave stuff out and make excuses.  They are both good. They both independently could get the max from anyone. 
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:19:19
 @OBoymuzik  @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct I do not think Ibaka would get much more than what he signed for next year unless he took a quantum leap like Harden did this season.
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 15:20:08
 @justin_mia  @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct but if he does you want to keep him on the team right?
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:20:16
 @EricMe He'll remain a bench player because our coach subscribes to the philosophy of if it works don't fix it. 
dlayto
2012-08-27 15:21:03
I'm new to posting so be easy   does anyone else feel that if the thunder do not sign harden and pay the tax that the team will never win a championship due to the ownership's unwillingness to pay luxury tax?
cleandoe
2012-08-27 15:21:08
 @justin_mia  @EricMe And if it doesn't work, see it out until it does
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:21:09
 @OBoymuzik  @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct I'd gamble on Ibaka not blowing up than gamble on losing Harden.  Harden's much more of a sure thing, ensures us a Top 3 offense pretty much.  Ibaka is just a lot of 'ifs'.
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 15:21:13
 @justin_mia  @EricMe yeah if he signs for the max he needs to start, i would make him the starter going into training camp and see if he's more motivated to sign an extension 
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-27 15:21:32
 @Tricia_Status  Presti is absolutely lying. Those two contract are linked directly, and Harden is worth more than Ibaka. You don't need some detailed regression analysis to know that, just look at the PF and SG market. That's all you need to know.   If OKC can't pay Harden what he's worth because if Ibaka, then it was a huge mistake. IF they do pay Harden what he's worth, then it doesn't matter. But to say that Ibaka doesn't affect Harden is swallowing a blurb of PR that doesn't make sense, and Presti knows it doesn't make sense. He has to say it to play the PR game the he plays.
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:22:25
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct Making snap judgements on a player, especially ones that contradict the rest of his season, isn't a wise thing to do.  Ibaka wouldn't get the max from anyone right now, IMO.   Harden would.
ou_sas
2012-08-27 15:22:26
 @dlayto Pretty much. I think the Thunder's willing to pay; the question is going to be how much is too much for them?
EatSleepThunder
2012-08-27 15:25:57
 @dlayto  I dont think that if we don't sign harden we will never win a championship. You saw how Dirk could take over games and they won a championship. If KD could do something like that we could win. I do think Harden is the difference between a dynasty and a really good team, though.
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:27:18
 @EatSleepThunder  @dlayto Dallas paid $19m in luxury tax that season.
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 15:27:22
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Tricia_Status I am looking at the PF and SG  Market. Serge is worth more. Are you going to ignore this 4/5 position hunt?!   Lets be real man. 
Tobi
2012-08-27 15:28:57
 @justin_mia  @SERGEant_Slaughter  @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  Harden is a max player. The Thunder wil get a discount if the contract is extended within 31 October, because Harden gets security.  55 Million/4years seems reasonble for both sides.
EricMe
2012-08-27 15:28:58
 @justin_mia  It wasn't just a coaching strategy, His presence in the starting line-up messes up the team's chemistry while leaving the bench with no other pure score and leader. Harden also seems to tire quickly when he starts and they have never benefited from his productivity when he is a starter. It is not just a coaching philosophy because they tried it multiple times and it was counter-productive. So he is going to remain a bench player for OKC and nobody pays gives a bench player a max contract. Moreover, you are too focused on the stats. They happen under specific circumstances that are not taken into consideration. There are also many more stats that can be created and that will be detrimental to Harden productivity as a whole for the team. Incomplete Stats are some of the reasons why people don't realize that Love messes up his own team by focusing exclusively on boosting his own stats therefore lagging in on the defensive end and all that
Tobi
2012-08-27 15:29:25
 @justin_mia  @SERGEant_Slaughter  @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct * resonable
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 15:29:39
 @justin_mia  @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct WHAT? LMAOLMAO    Okay I'm moving on. All you have to say is that Harden is your favorite player and it doesnt matter what the situation is. I would accept that. This explanation is unacceptable LOL. I'm not even a Serge fan and I know what the deal is. You cant let Serge go and have another team inherit a decent 4/5 too much is at stake. LOOK WHAT ORLANDO DID TO OKC INDIRECTLY.    Cmon son. yall playing.
Tobi
2012-08-27 15:30:05
 @justin_mia  @SERGEant_Slaughter  @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct *reasonable
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-27 15:30:17
 @Tricia_Status Ok. We just disagree then. I'm not going to argue about it. To me Serge isn't even worth what we paid for him, but I know he's worth 4 for 50 to most teams in the league, especially with the way that most teams overpay bigs. James is worth more than Joe Johnson, but he won't get paid what he's worth. James is worth the max to every team except the Lakers, the Heat and now the Nets. But I can find a dozen PF/C that I'd take over Serge, regardless of contract value.
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 15:30:30
 @dlayto HELL NO...   sorry. I always go hard LOL
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:30:42
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Tricia_Status I don't think you are looking at it.  Eric Gordon got the max and James Harden is probably better than him.  That's the SG market.  SG is a dry position in the league and good ones like Harden aren't all over the place.  Meanwhile, there are productive PF's everywhere.  Love Griffin Gasol Aldrige Lee J.Smith Garnett Millsap Dirk Bosh Boozer Stoudemire West Scola Randolph .... greater supply, less demand.
kennygee90
2012-08-27 15:31:30
IMO the Thunder can't afford to lose Harden right now but in a couple of years when Durant becomes a legit play maker and as his game grows they'll be able to..Losing Harden would set OKC a couple of years back but that's till Durant and probably Westbrook's game grows...When i say a couple years back i mean till they win a ring..
EricMe
2012-08-27 15:31:39
 @OBoymuzik  @justin_mia  Harden has so far been extremely ineffective when playing as a starter. Not only he doesn't increase their scoring total in ten first quarter but he plays zero defense and tires at the end of the game. A 22 year old who tires that fast is a questionmark
AllDae
2012-08-27 15:34:16
If Harden isn't resigned then I don't see a title in the near future. With Miami and the Lakers stacked and ready to pay the tax, I don't see a title in the net 2-3 years if Harden is gone. However, The Heat are gettin older and the Lakers title hopes are gon last for bout 2 seasons so after 2-3 years I think the league is OKC's to take if Harden walks. If Harden stays we continue to be right in the mix for a title every year. 
dlayto
2012-08-27 15:34:59
  @EatSleepThunder  @dlayto  OK "never" was a bit ridiculous, but teams that win the championships pay luxury tax and at this point if the thunder will not pay it to keep Harden why should I think they would ever pay it.
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:35:13
 @EricMe Of course, Harden's seven career starts conclusively proves that he messes up team chemistry in that role. Conclusively.
EricMe
2012-08-27 15:35:23
 @justin_mia  @OBoymuzik  @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  Harden is a sure thing is just your opinion. You're only looking to one aspect of th game which is the offense. Without Perkins and Ibaka and no defensive specialist to replace them, they would score a lot more but wont' get far because they would be score on as well. The organization knows how weak they are defensively and how important Ibaka is to the team and that is why they made that decision.
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:35:45
 @dlayto  @EatSleepThunder Pretty much.
EricMe
2012-08-27 15:37:14
 @cleandoe  @justin_mia  The problem is it likely won't work because there will be no other Harden on the bench and without the bench mismatch that gives them a significant advantage, they won't scare anyone.
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 15:38:09
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Tricia_Status Okay.   See everyone says look at the SG situation across the league, James Harden is Top 3. True. But if James Harden is top 3 SG in the league that means the position is in recession. Look at the starting line up for this team! The 3 position is the new 2 now. From KD to Carmelo to Pierce. All the 3's are shooting guards. This is not a case where Harden's worth more because he's filling a drought in the league at the 2 position. HELL to the NO.  Other teams will over Harden max if its a Bum team in need of a star OR to strategically eff OKC over (a la Houston to the Knicks). THIS WHOLE THING on the business side is a Chess game bro.
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:38:34
 @EricMe  @OBoymuzik This isn't Harden's fault.  Until we saw glimpses of it during these playoffs, Harden hardly ever touched the ball when on the court with Durant and Westbrook.  We were nevertheless the best offense in the league with those three on the court.  There's no reason Harden can't start or play more minutes.  
EricMe
2012-08-27 15:39:11
 @justin_mia  @SERGEant_Slaughter  @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  Ibaka would get max or close to max contracts from other teams while Harden would get it from only one team
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:40:16
 @EricMe  @OBoymuzik  @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct So we retained Ibaka to keep our average defense average?  There are good defensive big men everywhere.  They don't have to block four blocks a game in order to be good.
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:41:03
 @EricMe  @cleandoe You stagger the lineups.  This has been discussed ad nauseum.
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:41:46
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Tricia_Status All the 3's are shooting guards?  What does that even mean?
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 15:42:31
 @AllDae I think we are in the mix every year with KD and Russ.  But thats just me
EricMe
2012-08-27 15:42:33
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Tricia_Status  I am sorry but James is not better than Johnson for me. I would take Johnson over James. James has flourished a third option while Joe has struggled as a first option. James can never handle double teams that franchise players face
Coletrain17
2012-08-27 15:42:38
 @kennygee90 In what world are you living in that Kevin freaking Durant isn't "a legit playmaker?" Lay off the bath salts
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:44:21
 @EricMe  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Tricia_Status Harden gets trapped a lot on PnR and does fine with it for the most part.  
kennygee90
2012-08-27 15:44:22
 @Coletrain17 his nowhere near a elite playmaker...his got alot of room to grow and in a couple of years he'll be there...his an ok one., but he got alot of room for growth
justin_mia
2012-08-27 15:45:16
 @EricMe  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Tricia_Status Harden now is even better than Johnson was in Phoenix (as a 'third option').
ou_sas
2012-08-27 15:46:48
 @kennygee90  @Coletrain17 Don't say legit when you mean elite. I'll accept that Durant's not the second, but the first is, at worst, up for debate. 
Coletrain17
2012-08-27 15:46:57
 @kennygee90 Nowhere near "a" elite playmaker? Please name 5 people you'd rather have with the ball in a close game that counts. Please, humor me
kennygee90
2012-08-27 15:47:22
 @ou_sas  @Coletrain17 ok i meant elite not legit , my fault about that
ou_sas
2012-08-27 15:48:24
 @Coletrain17  @kennygee90 CT, what's your definition of playmaker? One who comes up big in big moments? Or one who can create for others? I have a feeling there's a slight disconnect in word usage here.
kennygee90
2012-08-27 15:49:01
 @Coletrain17 Just because you can score on a last minute shot doesnt mean you're great playmaker..I mean Durant can't consistently create for others..and if you think i'm wrong then thats your opinion
kennygee90
2012-08-27 15:50:26
 @ou_sas  @Coletrain17 i meant create for others
tygablood
2012-08-27 15:50:33
 @Coletrain17  @kennygee90 KD isn't a playmaker. the end.
ou_sas
2012-08-27 15:51:17
 @kennygee90  @Coletrain17 I figured that's what you meant, I was asking Coletrain to see if that's what he meant too. There's nothing worse than having an argument when both sides are using the same word to two different meanings.
Jokazc
2012-08-27 15:51:40
I don't think we should care,because Presti isn't stupid,if he need to trade he will do it
Coletrain17
2012-08-27 15:53:52
 @ou_sas  @kennygee90 A playmaker, in my opinion, is someone you can reliably count on to put the team on his back and do any number of things to better the team. People love to point out that Durant "can only score", but the pure attention he requires from other teams alone is such an intangible factor. I'm just saying I couldn't name 2 people I'd rather have controlling my team than KD
BallSoHarden
2012-08-27 15:56:20
A co-worker that's a Laker fan seems to think CP3 will be a Laker next year by getting rid of Nash and amnesty Kobe or finding a way to get rid of him. Still wouldn't fear them...
TaoMaas
2012-08-27 15:56:56
 @ou_sas    That's what I think, too.  I think they're willing to pay the tax...but maybe not as much as a max contract for Harden might end up costing them.  They may have to take the 10-12 million they're willing to spend and go see what they can find.
ou_sas
2012-08-27 15:58:32
 @Coletrain17  @kennygee90 Oh, by that definition, I'd agree. Though he does have teammates competent enough to get him the ball/take the shot he's distracting others away from, which helps.
Coletrain17
2012-08-27 15:59:32
 @BallSoHarden If the Lakers amnesty Kobe I'll eat my boxers on camera and post the video here
kennygee90
2012-08-27 16:01:50
 @ou_sas  @Coletrain17 Durant doesnt control the game...He outscores teams..Big difference..The thunder win mainly because of their overwhelming talent especially in scoring..OKC has alot of room to grow and the star players durant and westbrook haven't yet completely learned how to make the game easier for others..This team has an amazing ceiling and durant is just starting to reach his potential...when he becomes an elite playmaker like kobe did even though he rarely did it, but he was when he wanted to, OKC will start winning rings in bunches i.e depending on how good Anthody Davis becomes
ou_sas
2012-08-27 16:02:23
 @TaoMaas I'm wondering if we end up going all in for a year into the tax, but trade them if we don't win a 'chip in the next two years. Give them their chance to win it, but trade someone if it's clear they're just not going to get it done.
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 16:03:57
hey @justin_mia what in your opinion would quality for as a quantum leap for ibaka this season stats wise? just want to get your numbers before the season starts
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 16:06:09
 @OBoymuzik  @justin_mia Would be amazing if Ibaka became an All star and made the USA team:)
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 16:06:49
 @OkcBaby  @justin_mia thanks for consistently driving my questions off topic
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 16:07:18
 @OBoymuzik  @justin_mia No probs:)
ou_sas
2012-08-27 16:07:24
 @kennygee90  @Coletrain17 Bringing Anthony Davis into this argument is like saying Manute Bol had an impact on Jordan's ability to win titles. Vaguely relevant, but not really. Anthony Davis might be very good in this league, but I don't see anything that screams generational superstar.   Also, if you'll notice, Coletrain said control his team, not the game. So slight difference there. However, if you're talking making big plays/shots, I don't think you can argue that KD doesn't live for those moments and come up big in most of them. 
ou_sas
2012-08-27 16:07:57
 @OBoymuzik  @justin_mia Qualify*
EatSleepThunder
2012-08-27 16:07:58
 @OBoymuzik  @OkcBaby  @justin_mia It would be amazing if we win a title and durant wins mvp
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 16:08:30
 @ou_sas  @justin_mia thanks, i'm a bad Dt typer
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 16:09:13
 @EatSleepThunder  @OBoymuzik  @justin_mia Would rather win a title
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 16:10:40
So...there is a James Harden Cake: https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/554701_10151129643014814_354663845_n.jpg   Enjoy
RodneyRosavelRusanWilson
2012-08-27 16:12:00
the same people saying haren will hold out for max are the same people who said Ibaka would hold out for max
EatSleepThunder
2012-08-27 16:12:24
Hey @OBoymuzik Derek Fisher just ranked #288 on NBArank. Use your magical tweet magic to get another tweet on ESPN
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 16:12:41
 @RodneyRosavelRusanWilson What about the ones that said Ibaka wouldnt get max
ou_sas
2012-08-27 16:12:58
 @OBoymuzik  @justin_mia Last season, he was 9.1 ppg - 7.5 rpg - 3.7 bpg - 0.4 apg on 27 mpg. I'd like to see him get an extra 5 mpg at least (up to 32 as a minimum), and maybe go 11-9.8-3.0-1.0 for the aforementioned stats. If he bumped up to 35 mpg, give me 12-10-3.2-1.4 as my spread.   Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ibakase01.html#per_game::none
TaoMaas
2012-08-27 16:13:42
 @ou_sas   You might be right.  I could see this thing shaking out LOTS of different ways.  Whatever happens, it's not going to be some hair-brained plan.  lol
kennygee90
2012-08-27 16:14:19
 @ou_sas  @Coletrain17 I agree on alot of things he said..Durant is seriously scary with the ball in the last minute..he can create for others all i meant is his got some room to grow and he hasn't reached his full potential yet..and being a better playmaker and decision maker are some areas where he can grow..I disagree with you on Anthony Davis..I've never seen a college player control a team on the defensive side like Davis did..His an unbelievable defender..and his offense will come in time..His a superstar in the making  and if he reaches his full potential his the kind that might lead a dynasty in the future IMO..But it all depends on how much work he puts in
ou_sas
2012-08-27 16:14:34
 @OBoymuzik  @justin_mia No fear. I figured the clarification on this one was worth it, otherwise I'd let it pass. I'm saving my mass grammar binge for my April fools prank. Best bring your good grammar game that day, DTers. 
cleandoe
2012-08-27 16:14:40
 @SERGEant_Slaughter Sullinger baked that a while back
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 16:14:46
 @EatSleepThunder i don't know, if cole aldrich fans were upset i can only imagine D Fish fans
ou_sas
2012-08-27 16:15:23
 @TaoMaas Definitely Definitely.   #RussanswersDTquestions
dancassidy35/FreeFestusFromGSW!
2012-08-27 16:16:03
 @BallSoHarden I don't fear them now. If they got CP3, i would fear them.
ou_sas
2012-08-27 16:16:05
 @OBoymuzik  @EatSleepThunder Kobe'd find where you live.
RodneyRosavelRusanWilson
2012-08-27 16:16:10
well, im no j_mia, but Ibaka actually doesnt have to improve his stats too too much to have what could b a quantum leap... he needs to average a double double, like 16 and 11, keep leading the league in blocks and improve his hands... i want him to show that he can be a legitamate scoring option
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 16:16:13
 @EatSleepThunder because i probably have worse things to say about fisher
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 16:16:37
Sorry!
ou_sas
2012-08-27 16:18:35
 @OBoymuzik  @justin_mia I'm actually more concerned about his apg than his ppg at the moment. Someone said it here before, but for him to be paid that much, and only average 0.4 apg... that's criminal.
RodneyRosavelRusanWilson
2012-08-27 16:19:24
and really, if he can get 35 min a game, those numbers should be in reach... another year of improvement + 8 more mins should equal at least 3 more boards and 4-6 more points
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-27 16:19:44
 @ou_sas  The fact that you're planning a DT April fools day prank all the way back in August should probably indicate that you need more to do. Like... way more to do.
ou_sas
2012-08-27 16:20:12
 @RodneyRosavelRusanWilson His per 36 numbers aren't that far off. (see the link I posted above). He'd just need about 4 more points to get there.
RodneyRosavelRusanWilson
2012-08-27 16:20:34
he'd have to start assulting white women like hot cakes to get amnestied
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 16:20:35
Doing my stretches. Getting ready for the first of 2 Fantasy Football Drafts. Then I got @cleandoe NBA draft. My manager asked that I not bill any hours of work towards maintaining my fantasy leagues. LMAO guess I'll be looking for a new job by the superbowl?
duhsweetness
2012-08-27 16:20:59
 @OBoymuzik From looking at his stats, I really want his TO/game to go back down and his rebounding numbers to go up. At his current usage%, I'm somewhat all right with him hovering around 10 ppg (although getting a solid 12-15 from him a night would probably mean a 'ship for us), but he needs to be pulling down more than 7 boards a game. Extra points, however, could easily turn up if he became a 75% free-throw shooter again.
ou_sas
2012-08-27 16:21:00
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct No, it's more that I've wanted to go on a grammar binge for a while, and I feel like April Fools is the only legit way I can do it without coming off as a jerk. 
justin_mia
2012-08-27 16:21:04
 @OBoymuzik One of three things.  One - get better on the damn boards.  Ibaka regressed on the defensive boards last season and the team wasn't good on them.  Two - become more efficient scoring the ball.  That also dropped last season. Three - get better on defense and don't go for blocks every time.  Have a higher effect on the defense. The drop off from Serge being on the court and off the court defensively doesn't suggest that he's an elite defensive player.  He has to be smarter.
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-27 16:21:08
 @ou_sas  There was a day early in his career where Serge was about to set the all time futility mark for assists. I think he then went out and accidentally got 2 assists in one game a doubled his total for the entire year and put him out of the running.
ou_sas
2012-08-27 16:22:02
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @cleandoe Can't you put it down as doing research for your sports segment?
RodneyRosavelRusanWilson
2012-08-27 16:22:43
am i the only one who always thinks your avi looks like a drawing of dwight from the office?
cleandoe
2012-08-27 16:23:19
 @SERGEant_Slaughter Our draft will be Sep.24 - Oct. 29 S/he'd have forgotten by then. Hopefully we can arrange it on a weekend :)
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-27 16:23:38
 @Tricia_Status  Just win your leagues and all will be forgiven.
RodneyRosavelRusanWilson
2012-08-27 16:23:48
those are the people saying shut up OKCbaby
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-27 16:25:01
 @ou_sas There was a day, early in his career, where Serge was about to set the all time futility mark for assists. I think he then went out and accidentally got 2 assists in one game and doubled his total for the entire year, which put him out of the running.
cleandoe
2012-08-27 16:25:14
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Tricia_Status Let him join one and let him win
ou_sas
2012-08-27 16:25:25
 @RodneyRosavelRusanWilson Aise0603 is going to be calling everyone a poser shortly.
justin_mia
2012-08-27 16:27:05
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @ou_sas No he's still futile: http://bkref.com/tiny/KkPtl   Second worst AST/MP for first three NBA seasons (min. 3000 minutes).  Only Manute Bol is worse.
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 16:27:13
 @ou_sas  @cleandoe  I will...I'll put it down as "People Development"
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 16:27:59
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  you should just skip the first week of the DT fantasy league so i can get a warm up 
ou_sas
2012-08-27 16:28:22
 @justin_mia  @Jax Raging Bile Duct There are a lot of dubious names on that list. O.o
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 16:28:31
 @RodneyRosavelRusanWilson I can deal with that
cleandoe
2012-08-27 16:29:15
 @OBoymuzik  @SERGEant_Slaughter If she does, I'll use my magic powers to switch the fixtures so she is playing me XD
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 16:29:29
 @cleandoe  @SERGEant_Slaughter hey NO
cleandoe
2012-08-27 16:30:10
 @OBoymuzik  @SERGEant_Slaughter Mwahaahahahahahaaaaa
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 16:35:48
 @kennygee90 harden is a decent playmaker but the whole narrative of him being the best passer on the team or being able to run the point better than westbrook is overblown. He has the best chemistry on the team with a teammate in nick collison and knows where to find his teammates, but at times his passing is probably actually him being passive.
cleandoe
2012-08-27 16:37:05
 @OBoymuzik  @SERGEant_Slaughter http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r518/cleandoe/fantasyschedule.jpg
cleandoe
2012-08-27 16:37:14
 @OBoymuzik  @SERGEant_Slaughter http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r518/cleandoe/fantasyschedule.jpg
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 16:38:39
 @cleandoe  @OBoymuzik LOOOOOOOOOOOOL. I tell you. I thought I didn't have the NBA "motor" anymore...it's about to get real during this League. 
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 16:39:11
 @cleandoe  @SERGEant_Slaughter damn you david stern,adam silver, billy hunter and derek fisher for letting this happen
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-27 16:39:36
 @ou_sas  @justin_mia When Johan Petro is twice as good as you at something, you really suck at that something.
cleandoe
2012-08-27 16:40:55
 @OBoymuzik  @SERGEant_Slaughter It's not confirmed.     Yet.
ou_sas
2012-08-27 16:41:43
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @justin_mia I take it you missed Eddy Curry at 1.0...
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 16:42:46
 @justin_mia  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @ou_sas guys this is bad, i can't find nick young
ou_sas
2012-08-27 16:44:25
 @OBoymuzik  @justin_mia  @Jax Raging Bile Duct Does he qualify under minutes? It's at least 3000 minutes played requirement.
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 16:45:35
"Yes, The New Brooklyn Nets Arena Is Deliberately Covered With Rust. No, It’s Not A Good Idea."   http://deadspin.com/5938202/?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-27 16:45:56
 @OBoymuzik  @justin_mia  @ou_sas I think the correct answer is "Yes, Serge is worse at assisting than Nick Young."   Let that sink in for a minute.
ou_sas
2012-08-27 16:46:00
 @OBoymuzik  @justin_mia  @Jax Raging Bile Duct Yeah, he does. He averaged 1.7 his first 3 seasons. #270.
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-27 16:52:09
 @ou_sas Ok, I have to say it (though my inner editor has denied me about 4 times now).   You're worried about coming off as a jerk? But... aren't you a lawyer?       BOOM!
C-Wil
2012-08-27 16:58:22
 @OBoymuzik That's nuts.
ou_sas
2012-08-27 17:00:23
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct Yeah, I know. Old habits. Besides, if I spent all of my time correcting the internet's grammar, I'd never get anything done. So I may as well save it for a special occasion.
Crow
2012-08-27 17:00:45
 @OBoymuzik  @EatSleepThunder 
alvarex
2012-08-27 17:02:30
Durant -  “I miss the guys, I miss the coaches. I miss my teammates. I just can’t wait to get started. I’m going to take a few more days off then just get ready to try to have a good year.”   http://www.nba.com/thunder/offseason_durant_120827.html
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 17:02:57
 @OBoymuzik Its not that terrible in person...it really isnt.
Crow
2012-08-27 17:04:27
 @OBoymuzik  @EatSleepThunder Should fisher get another NBA player job? probably but probably not above the minimum salary and probably without any guarantees of regular season playing time. last season for the Thunder his scoring efficiency was the 5th worst of 71 PGs who played 20_ minutes per game.   He picked it up in the playoffs. If he wants to play for a contender he will probably have to take the minimum and maybe until til March.   Is he getting blackballed by the league? Maybe. It seems to happen to 1-2 guys a year.
cleandoe
2012-08-27 17:04:47
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @OBoymuzik Sheep's Bald Spot seems to disagree with you. I live a few blocks away, pass by pretty regularly. That rust is super, super dark and looks like absolute s---. It's turned the arena into a giant, Brutalist version of a novelty dog turd that not even the Tyrell Corporation would f--- with.
cleandoe
2012-08-27 17:05:21
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @OBoymuzik So, yeah . . .
Crow
2012-08-27 17:05:39
@OBoymuzik@EatSleepThunder Should Fisher get another NBA player job? Probably but probably not above the minimum salary and probably without any guarantees of regular season playing time. last season for the Thunder his scoring efficiency was the 5th worst of 71 PGs who played 20_ minutes per game.   He picked it up in the playoffs. If he wants to play for a contender he will probably have to take the minimum and maybe until til March.   Is he getting blackballed by the league for the player's response to the lockout? Maybe. It seems to happen to 1-2 high profile guys a year.
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 17:06:44
 @ou_sas  @OBoymuzik  @justin_mia  @Jax Raging Bile Duct Why would Serge's Assist per game have to go up? Is he a guard? Usually when players pass it into the post its JUST to score. He's not being double teamed either. This is a stat that is insignificant for him. Lets stop finding stuff he cant improve much on to hold this dude back...Sheesh.
Crow
2012-08-27 17:07:11
@OBoymuzik@EatSleepThunder Should Fisher get another NBA player job? Probably but probably not above the minimum salary and probably without any guarantees ofany regular season playing time. last season for the Thunder his scoring efficiency was the 5th worst of 71 PGs who played 20+ minutes per game.   He picked it up in the playoffs. If he wants to play for a contender he will probably have to take the minimum and maybe until til March for the right oppportunity. probably borne out of somebody else's injury.   Is he getting blackballed by the league for the player's response to the lockout? Maybe. It seems to happen to 1-2 high profile guys a year.
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 17:08:52
 @cleandoe  @OBoymuzik See the difference between NYC and OKC is the complaint factor. WE complain about EVERYTHING. He failed to mention where this Arena is located. That the street around it is always effed up filled with pot holes...  We find everything to nit pick on. Its part of who we are. Take it with a grain of salt. 
ou_sas
2012-08-27 17:09:56
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @OBoymuzik  @justin_mia  @Jax Raging Bile Duct You mean to say that we can't expect him to be able to kick it out once in a while? If you know dude's going to shoot rather than pass to the open guy in the corner any time he gets the ball, your defensive job becomes much easier. It's also a symbol of a more meaningful idea, which is that he won't live up to the nickname of "Stone Hands" any more. I'm sorry, the number of times he'd be passed to in the post and he flubbed it is getting frustrating. His assists probably do go up if he can fix that part just by virtue of holding the ball more.
Crow
2012-08-27 17:10:05
@OBoymuzik@EatSleepThunder Should Fisher get another NBA player job? Probably but probably not above the minimum salary and probably without any guarantees ofany regular season playing time. last season for the Thunder his scoring efficiency was the 5th worst of 71 PGs who played 20+ minutes per game.   He picked it up in the playoffs. If he wants to play for a contender he will probably have to take the minimum and maybe wait until March for the right opportunity. probably borne out of somebody else's injury.   Is he getting blackballed by the league for the player's response to the lockout? Maybe. It seems to happen to 1-2 high profile guys a year.
duhsweetness
2012-08-27 17:14:37
 @Tricia_Status  @cleandoe  @OBoymuzik That's my least favourite New York attitude of all-time! The we vs. everyone else attitude.
BrockSuede
2012-08-27 17:18:39
Free Cole! Trust me, it's worth the click.   http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=407426129318471&set=a.344284892299262.80981.322942571100161&type=1&theater
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 17:21:48
 @duhsweetness  @Tricia_Status  @cleandoe  @OBoymuzik Trust me ...the Nets have no idea. We arent as friendly as you guys in Brooklyn. We could see Kris Humphries in the street and just say...Gee...that dude is tall...and keep it moving. Or if we do know who the hell you are, we'll say under our breaths...That meffer had 8 turnovers yesterday.    I love it tho. We stunt real hard like we dont give a dayum. 
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-27 17:22:08
 @Tricia_Status It's less about his role, and more about how poor his understanding is of offense in general. Just look at the list and show me all the post guys who could score on the block (giving Ibaka huge credit that he doesn't deserve here, lumping him in with guys who can score on the block, but it give Serge the benefit of the doubt, so we'll go with it). Now, of those guys who can score on the block, look at their assist rates - all of them are better than Serge. He's missing large gaps of understanding when it comes to offensive ball movement. He's the biggest black hole we've seen from a post player this side of 1986.
duhsweetness
2012-08-27 17:22:09
 @BrockSuede Who's making these and is there one of every Thunder player? Because there oughtta be.
BrockSuede
2012-08-27 17:25:53
Also, James Harden's White Party and Kobe Bryant's Lunch Table. Good click right there.   http://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2012/8/27/3272157/james-hardens-white-party-and-kobe-bryants-lunch-table
cleandoe
2012-08-27 17:25:56
 @duhsweetness  @BrockSuede Just flick through to the right. I think James' is the best, followed by Nick, then Russ. Surprisingly KD's isn't that good.
Crow
2012-08-27 17:27:06
 @justin_mia  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @ou_sas two of the top 6 played on very good teams but no titles.
ou_sas
2012-08-27 17:27:25
 @cleandoe  @duhsweetness  @BrockSuede Perk's sweaty face accurately captures him, I think.
justin_mia
2012-08-27 17:29:02
 @Crow  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @ou_sas Also note how many C's there are in the top 20.  Serge is really one of the only PF's.  Him and Ratliff.  Serge would fit a lot better at center IMO I hope he's able to assume that position eventually.
Crow
2012-08-27 17:29:29
 @justin_mia  @OBoymuzik RAPM estimate was +0.1 pts per 48 minutes. If that does not improve, then his signing was a big mistake.
cleandoe
2012-08-27 17:30:19
 @ou_sas  @duhsweetness  @BrockSuede His is actually 4th imho, hehe
duhsweetness
2012-08-27 17:30:24
 @cleandoe  @BrockSuede They couldn't get a better picture of Thabo in street clothes? Also I remember that Maynor photo from IG. Too bad his swag in that photo is diminished by the crummy photo-cropping. Russell's should be much, much angrier. Collison's is still the best.
Crow
2012-08-27 17:30:51
 @Coletrain17  @BallSoHarden Nash and Howard have pretty much ruled out a Kobe amnesty or trade.
cleandoe
2012-08-27 17:33:34
 @bmuelle21 Do you have that Scotty card in stock? How much?
Crow
2012-08-27 17:38:18
 @EricMe  @justin_mia Ginobili made $13 mil coming off the bench last season. R Lewis made $14 mil. Next highest was Charlie V. at $8 mil.
duhsweetness
2012-08-27 17:41:46
 @BrockSuede Every time I see White Party I can only think of Andre's "Whites Only" party from the League. 
Barry Amenema
2012-08-27 17:47:01
 @Coletrain17  [please, oh please...Lakers amnesty Kobe...please, oh please...Lakers amnesty Kobe...please, oh please...Lakers amnesty Kobe...please, oh please...Lakers amnesty Kobe...please, oh please...Lakers amnesty Kobe...please, oh please...Lakers amnesty Kobe...]
ThunderBelize
2012-08-27 17:58:39
So whats the damn hold up... Harden wants to stay. Thunder want him to stay. Sign here Mr. Harden.
Legendary_Dork
2012-08-27 18:00:35
it makes me extremely happy that KD wants to take PJ3 under his wing and teach him. i think our thunder boys will have some new, invigorated vigor for this season :)  . 
Legendary_Dork
2012-08-27 18:09:22
 @ThunderBelize i think its party harden thats the hold up :P 
duhsweetness
2012-08-27 18:18:31
 @Legendary_Dork Invigorated vigor huh? That's an awful lot of vigor!
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 18:29:51
watching some video on PJIII on youtube and came across this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9ijliy0qZs kinda interesting, hadn't heard the comparison to a 6ft 11 Paul George
thelaughingwiseman
2012-08-27 18:32:16
Just give him the 4 year 50 million check already.  Why does it matter.  This dude is going to progress and he's going to sell jerseys and the whole of OKC better support this team to the very last chain of this organization to make it possible!
thelaughingwiseman
2012-08-27 18:32:47
 @OBoymuzik ha, I asked for a Paul George, hopefully I get's me one!
Crow
2012-08-27 18:39:51
 @thelaughingwiseman  @OBoymuzik Where will Jones' rookie stats within this group? http://bkref.com/tiny/vAnVS
Crow
2012-08-27 18:41:00
 @thelaughingwiseman  @OBoymuzik He could beat all of them on efficiency but he won't on minutes or shots.
cleandoe
2012-08-27 18:42:31
How did no one post this? http://instagram.com/p/OxHDWetlcA/
duhsweetness
2012-08-27 18:43:49
 @cleandoe Someone did yesterday or the day before. WHERE WERE YOU
cleandoe
2012-08-27 18:43:54
really don't want to get sullinger'd right now
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 18:44:22
Ibaka should have taken less, damnit.  He could live like a King in Congo when he retire:)
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 18:45:25
 @cleandoe this is the official sullinger video from now on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1cBCltOSxo
cleandoe
2012-08-27 18:45:45
 @duhsweetness lies . . .
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 18:47:19
 @cleandoe Saw a cropped version of it in The Oklahoman this morning . . .
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 18:49:51
 @Crow  @thelaughingwiseman it's hard to predict because he could either be the 7th or 8th man or not be in the rotation at all, the paul george thing fits if he's going to play the 3 with KD at the 4 when they're both in
Crow
2012-08-27 18:50:45
 @OBoymuzik  @thelaughingwiseman the paul george comparison won't fit if he isnt a decent or good defender either
Crow
2012-08-27 18:52:03
 @OBoymuzik  @thelaughingwiseman Should Jones be used heavily or kept as a playoff surprise? I generally like the first option but the second might not be bad either.
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 18:52:22
 @Crow  @thelaughingwiseman yeah the oversized for the position and athletic part is what i'm thinking of
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 18:53:15
 @Crow  @thelaughingwiseman i'll take option 1 just because i don't trust scotty with playoff surprises 
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 18:55:04
 @Crow  @thelaughingwiseman the last playoff surprise was putting nate robinson in the game because he was the same size as barea 
Crow
2012-08-27 18:55:07
 @OkcBaby Probably won't go back but I assume he  will set up his family.
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 18:55:40
 @ou_sas  @cleandoe  @duhsweetness  @BrockSuede Agree, ou_sas . . . Westbrook's collage is good too, but here's my favorite: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=407426129318471&set=a.344284892299262.80981.322942571100161&type=1&theater#!/photo.php?fbid=405371489523935&set=a.344284892299262.80981.322942571100161&type=1&permPage=1  
Crow
2012-08-27 18:56:01
 @OkcBaby Maybe he retires to Barcelona. And doesn't watch the Spanish team when they are on.
duhsweetness
2012-08-27 18:56:16
 @Crow  If he's ready, I'd love to start seeing him play like 15 mpg around a quarter of the way into the season. 
Crow
2012-08-27 18:57:59
 @duhsweetness One thing I wonder if scouts pay attention to is how draft propsects do in summer pickup games with pros before they hit the draft. Seems  like that might be useful, if the scout gets out and finds those games.
cleandoe
2012-08-27 18:58:11
 @ThunderChick2010  @ou_sas  @duhsweetness  @BrockSuede I think this is the best one of KD http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=404285899632494&set=a.344284892299262.80981.322942571100161&type=1&permPage=1 I need a wallpaper centered around this
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 18:58:38
 @Crow  @duhsweetness josh selby would command triple teams if that happened
duhsweetness
2012-08-27 18:58:39
 @Crow They should just have scouts posted up at the UCLA gym.
Crow
2012-08-27 18:59:01
 @duhsweetness Not everyone plays those but Perry was in a spot where it was possible.
Crow
2012-08-27 18:59:46
 @duhsweetness yeah there might be the best place but there are probably a half-dozen, dozen or two other spots too.
novelisticbee0
2012-08-27 18:59:54
 @cleandoe  @ThunderChick2010  Since we're posting our favorites. :)   http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=406782112716206&set=a.344284892299262.80981.322942571100161&type=3&theater
cleandoe
2012-08-27 19:00:48
 @novelisticbee0  @ThunderChick2010  I prefer http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=407011282693289&set=a.344284892299262.80981.322942571100161&type=3&permPage=1
Crow
2012-08-27 19:01:13
 @duhsweetness as little as i think of aau games, there are some of those all-star games with more pro talent than  almost any college game sees
Crow
2012-08-27 19:02:12
 @duhsweetness don't know how good someone is til they start playing guys with as much or more size,  talent and wisdom
duhsweetness
2012-08-27 19:04:10
 @Crow I'm sure there are. I just have no clue where they are. Also, I'd looove to see a heavy dose of PJ3 in our first preseason match up against Houston. It'd be a 4/5 playing against an entire squad of 3/4s and 4/5s. What better way to measure his readiness than to pit him against the continuum of Houston's forwards.
Crow
2012-08-27 19:04:27
 @duhsweetness perry jones guarded by paul george... what happens?   perry jones guarded by kevin garnett or josh smith... what happens?   and of the other side of the court   answers coming fairly soon
Crow
2012-08-27 19:05:41
 @duhsweetness la, chicago,houston, dallas, maybe new york, vegas
BrockSuede
2012-08-27 19:05:54
 @duhsweetness Yeah, it's a friend of mine on FB. He also makes some amazing Thunder art and the best Thunder photoshops on the web.
Crow
2012-08-27 19:06:19
 @duhsweetness sure 30+ minutes, good thought
duhsweetness
2012-08-27 19:06:20
 @Crow Gets beat by a jab step from Garnett 16 feet from the basket. Josh Smith dribbles three feet back from PJ3 and lets fly an erratic jumper that clangs off the back iron. PJ3 stands perplexed. 
EatSleepThunder
2012-08-27 19:06:47
 @cleandoe  @novelisticbee0  @ThunderChick2010 Oh oh pick this one pick this one! http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/430358_401137709947313_589913934_n.jpg
Crow
2012-08-27 19:06:48
 @duhsweetness or both?
duhsweetness
2012-08-27 19:08:52
 @BrockSuede That's rad, dude. I need some Thunder art for my house. It's not Thunder-y enough.
Crow
2012-08-27 19:09:12
 @duhsweetness the "new" josh smith is supposed to avoid the mid-range to long-range but he might be able to help himself from trying to show off to a rook with some profile like Jones
Crow
2012-08-27 19:09:36
 @duhsweetness the "new" josh smith is supposed to avoid the mid-range to long-range but he might not be able to help himself from trying to show off to a rook with some profile like Jones
Crow
2012-08-27 19:10:25
 @duhsweetness maybe chapel hill, lawrence kansas, a few others
cleandoe
2012-08-27 19:11:07
 @EatSleepThunder  @novelisticbee0  @ThunderChick2010 We need a revamped version of this http://nextwd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/cartoon_of_okc_thunder_players_by_heckthor-d3cqs3a.jpg
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 19:12:13
 @duhsweetness  @cleandoe He was busy being someone else . . . cleandoezOther Profile  :)
EatSleepThunder
2012-08-27 19:12:56
 @cleandoe  @novelisticbee0  @ThunderChick2010 And obviously this one: http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/553310_387888867938864_1755085606_n.jpg nah just kidding: http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/251953_384267208301030_73162720_n.jpg
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 19:13:37
 @OkcBaby no he shouldnt have. 
duhsweetness
2012-08-27 19:14:14
 @Crow Although he took noticeably fewer long jumpers last season (I watch a lot of Hawks games), he still took almost 2 threes a game at a 25% clip. He's learning... very slowly.
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 19:14:23
 @EatSleepThunder  @cleandoe  @novelisticbee0  Ahhh . . . new favorite -- the second one, I mean.
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 19:16:54
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @OkcBaby  He shouldn't because he already took a pay cut considering the amount of money other teams would have payed him, but Ibaka's not worth the contract he received either. That my friend is THE TRUTH. 
novelisticbee0
2012-08-27 19:18:15
 @EatSleepThunder  The second one will always be one of my favorites.
novelisticbee0
2012-08-27 19:18:15
 @EatSleepThunder  The second one will always be one of my favorites.
cleandoe
2012-08-27 19:20:24
 @duhsweetness  @BrockSuede  I'll sell you this for $1,200 http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r518/cleandoe/kdrussbeard.jpg?t=1346113191
EatSleepThunder
2012-08-27 19:21:26
 @cleandoe  @duhsweetness  @BrockSuede Make it 1,999 imaginary dollars and you have a deal.
Old Man Game
2012-08-27 19:25:15
Just checking in today. On the bolts that article where the writer says the Thunder are wanting to be bucking the trend of winning without experience: Can we stop it with that non-sense? A team that has been in the playoffs three consecutuve years including two trips to the wcf and a trip to the NBA Finals is plenty experienced at this point, regardless of their average age. How deep in the playoffs had the Celtics gone with Pierce before Boston won in '07? I remember one ECF but not much else before '07.
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 19:26:11
 @ElMexiThunder  @OkcBaby I hope you guys dont have short term memory next season when he takes off. But if you guys happen to have amnesia I'll most CERTAINLY tell you I told you so.
justin_mia
2012-08-27 19:28:52
I think everyone would be psyched if Serge made a leap but it doesn't change what we know now... 
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-27 19:31:03
 @justin_mia again...forecast the future!
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 19:31:45
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @ElMexiThunder They will ask Thabo:)
cleandoe
2012-08-27 19:31:55
 @EatSleepThunder  @duhsweetness  @BrockSuede but you can use that to buy an imaginary laptop. what can you use reall money for except my drawing? exactly full stop written out for emphasis
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 19:33:18
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @OkcBaby  Thats fine with me i don't mind being told i was wrong. I def wouldn't mind if it was because Ibaka became a top 10 PF
justin_mia
2012-08-27 19:33:55
 @SERGEant_Slaughter The best predictor of the future is the past, and I know that Serge did not improve as much as I would have liked from year two to year three.  Compare his improvements to Harden, for example.  Or Westbrook, or Durant, or a lot of other third year players.  Exceptions happen but Serge's season puts a damper on my expectations for him a bit and shorten up his range a bit.  I think his improvements will be more incremental than anything.
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 19:41:05
 @justin_mia Hes 22.  One of the NBA's premiere shot blockers.  Nuff said
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 19:44:26
 @Old Man Game i think the lakers, spurs and celtics are too experienced, so there
MisterJohnsonOKC
2012-08-27 19:46:34
 @OkcBaby  @justin_mia supposedly 22, more like 26
MisterJohnsonOKC
2012-08-27 19:50:58
 @Old Man Game we need to get deeper,   http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2010/10/inception-leo-simple8-8-10.jpg   how about a playoff game within a playoff game within a playoff game.
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 19:52:29
 @MisterJohnsonOKC  @OkcBaby  @justin_mia stoppppppppppp
MisterJohnsonOKC
2012-08-27 19:55:34
 @OkcBaby pfft, some of them "Kings" in the congo are worth hundreds of millions.
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 20:12:20
 @Old Man Game Well letting Naz and Fisher go made us younger:)
shiki
2012-08-27 20:14:47
 @Old Man Game In 2007,everyone of celtics big 3 played WCF or ECF one time,but they were all older than 30 yrs-old our core players are all younger than 25,but have played WCF twice.   it is not easy to say which team have more experience but for medias it is very clear that thunder have less   experience didn't help lakers to keep their 7pts lead in clutch time,didn't help Popovich to find a right way to guard KD.
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 20:36:45
 @MisterJohnsonOKC  @justin_mia 22-26 does it really matter.  Almost 4 blocks a game.  Just sayin
MisterJohnsonOKC
2012-08-27 20:38:10
 @OkcBaby  @justin_mia It matters because he may possibly be 30 at the end of his contract. But as long as he continues to improve its all good.
El Prez
2012-08-27 20:45:10
I love the picture accompanying  this article. James is styling, Russ is smiling, and Gasol the Sissy Boy looks like a little kid on the playground who just had his lunch money stolen. Why is there so much drama in regards to Harden? If Eric Gordon got $56 million...Clay Bennett needs to pony up or say up front OKC can'r spend with the Big Boys. If I'm Rob Pelinka..I'm personally insulted with anything less than $58 million for four years. This is a business. Period.
cleandoe
2012-08-27 20:47:13
 @ThunderChick2010  @duhsweetness :( it feels strange being accused of something you aren't but you can tell the person really believes it
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 20:53:37
 @Old Man Game Hey Old Man, how's Denver?
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 20:57:51
Off topic just because ESPN is discussing Lebron and MJ.  Which is ridiculous.  Hes not even close.  Kobe is closer to MJ then Bron.  Put Lebron on a team full of role players and see if he can win a championship.  Then come and talk to me.  
Jooseppi
2012-08-27 21:02:30
 @MisterJohnsonOKC  @OkcBaby  @justin_mia The Illuminati is behind it. 
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 21:02:38
 @cleandoe  @duhsweetness Actually it's a compliment to be accused of being OBoyzOld Man as he's pretty humorous.  I guess I'll believe you . . . but I'm watching.  :)
gnaygg
2012-08-27 21:02:37
 @El Prez What about 56M? That is the max other teams can give him.
cleandoe
2012-08-27 21:03:19
 @OkcBaby he almost did it with scrubs. mj had another hofer (2 second time around) and actually had pretty good role players. lebron had no one and people still thought the cavs were going to win he may not be near to mj but your arguement for why is flawed
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 21:06:22
 @Jooseppi  @MisterJohnsonOKC  @OkcBaby  @justin_mia You're such a troublemaker.  :)
cleandoe
2012-08-27 21:07:11
i @ThunderChick2010  @duhsweetness i was reading the thread after impostersgate and i figured out it was bmuelle21 but he made me think that i was crazy. it is only now i realise he was just getting at me. i think i should remove my like. that'll teach him
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 21:08:48
 @cleandoe  @duhsweetness He's actually WAY funnier than you . . . not sure how I could have confused the two of you. 
cleandoe
2012-08-27 21:10:00
 @ThunderChick2010  @duhsweetness  :'(
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 21:10:42
 @cleandoe  @duhsweetness Can't support you there.  Bmuelle21 is on near-unconditional-like-status with me until further notice.
justin_mia
2012-08-27 21:10:42
 @OkcBaby  @MisterJohnsonOKC Blocks are overrated.  Especially weak side blocks.  Ibaka is amazing, but as our defensive efficiency would attest, his shot blocking doesn't have a tremendously powerful effect on our defense all of the time.  
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 21:15:06
 @El Prez And the crowd goes wild . . .
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 21:15:43
 @cleandoe close?  San Antonio waxed them 4-0
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 21:16:12
 @OkcBaby  @cleandoe so i guess KD hasn't been close
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 21:20:45
 @OBoymuzik  @cleandoe Hes not being compared to MJ
cleandoe
2012-08-27 21:22:37
 @OkcBaby yeah but tell me how you can get to the finals when your second best player is 'erm'
El Prez
2012-08-27 21:23:12
ThunderChick...we need to talk. My glorious movie weekend of 48 hours and rain didn't exactly happen. It only rained three hours out here in Deer Creek and we got one inch of precip. Consequently--I didn't see five movies--only three--and one was at the movie theatre. The worst movie I saw this week-end was Young Adult starring Charlize Theron. Quite frankly, it sucked. I give it one star out out of five. I saw Hit and Run at the theatre with Kristen Bell, Dax Shepard, Brad Cooper, Tom Arnold, and Beau Bridges...nice little movie...three stars. My father saved me when he told me I needed to rent The Shooter with Mark Wahlberg, Danny Glover, Ned Beatty, and the voluptuous Kate Mara...yard---Four Stars**** I love the Mara girls. Rooney took my breath away in The Girl With the Dragon Tatoo, and Kate was scintillatting with Wahlberg. But back to Young Adult..I just thought it was awful. Did you really like this movie?
cleandoe
2012-08-27 21:23:24
 @OkcBaby  @OBoymuzik that has no bearing on how close they were
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 21:23:35
 @alvarex Nah, u replace MJ with Lebron theres no way they get 6 titles
cleandoe
2012-08-27 21:25:31
 @OkcBaby  @alvarex yes. but not because of the reason you put forward. that's all i'm saying
El Prez
2012-08-27 21:27:20
WTF does that mean? Go slow with me...my brian is still fried trying to understand how Young Adult got funding as a motion picture.
El Prez
2012-08-27 21:30:04
Which championship did Kobe win surrounded by role players? WTF? My whole internet compass is off because of that horrible movie I watched last night.
Old Man Game
2012-08-27 21:31:47
@ThunderChick2010 It is real good. This is just such an amazing state. So much natural beauty. People seem very friendly also. I guess theyve got a lot to be happy about living here.
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 21:33:33
 @cleandoe  @duhsweetness  And no wiseguy comments about exposing myself . . .
DennisBerry
2012-08-27 21:33:42
 @OkcBaby Dude LeBron went to a finals and best record in the league with Eric Snow, Donyell Marshall, Sasha Pavlovic, and Zydraunus Illgauskas
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 21:37:01
 @cleandoe  @alvarex Its exactly the reason.  Lebron is a freak of nature with no where near the skill level of MJ.  He will never will his team to 6 championship.  Even in the weak East of today.
cleandoe
2012-08-27 21:37:04
 @OkcBaby oh and losing a series by an average of 5.5 ppg is not being waxed. that's unlucky
DennisBerry
2012-08-27 21:37:57
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cleandoe
2012-08-27 21:39:33
  @OkcBaby  @alvarex no, your reason was that he couldnt do it with 'role players'. nd i said he had a way worse team than mj and almost did. give credit where credit is due
cemitten
2012-08-27 21:41:24
I'm starting to wonder if the insane Lebron haters on here never actually watched him play, pre-Thunder.  No he doesn't have the win at all costs attitude of MJ or Kobe but man those Cavs teams that he carried were AWFUL.  His number two was Danial "Booby" Gibson for a while.  Give me a break.  That man is the best player in basketball, hands down.
cleandoe
2012-08-27 21:41:27
 @El Prez tc liked it but doesn't want to mess with your movie knowledge. so she is keeping quiet - wise choice
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 21:42:38
 @cleandoe  @alvarex What credit.  He couldnt win so he built his own team with Wade and Bosh.  MJ would have never done that
cleandoe
2012-08-27 21:42:56
 @cemitten to be fair, there arent many of them
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 21:43:34
 @cemitten yeah i was just trying to think, could denver win a title with their roster now + lebron? could philly? chicago (with rose)?
DennisBerry
2012-08-27 21:43:50
 @OkcBaby  @cleandoe  @alvarex because MJ already had Scottie Pippen (who came 2nd in mvp voting the yr MJ went to play basketball) next to him, as well as Dennis Rodman, Horace Grant, and Ron Harper who all shit on the scrubs LeBron took to the finals
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 21:44:17
 @OBoymuzik  @cemitten  Chicago with Rose + Lebron would. Denver wouldn't, and Philly wouldn't. 
El Prez
2012-08-27 21:45:15
If the CBA says they can only pay him $56 million openly--then have Bennett and some of his oil & gas mafia thugs kick in another 2-4 million under the table. How do you think Boone got Weeden and Blackmon to come back last year? Use your imagination a little. Money, drugs. sex and ego drives the NBA. The rest of the league isn't home right now talking about Thunderstruck.
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 21:45:30
 @ElMexiThunder  @cemitten the question with denver would be if karl would change their style of play, but with iggy, lebron lawson + being super deep, i think they would be as good if not better than us
Old Man Game
2012-08-27 21:45:43
@El Prez I think she agrees.
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 21:45:51
 @El Prez Sorry . . . I did.  You really hated it?  Maybe you're too far removed from the nostalgia factor of high school?  Not saying you're old or anything, of course.  :)   I just found it to be a darkly funny look at someone who is facing adulthood while unable to let go of adolescence.  Okay, definitely scratch The Future from that list I gave you, but DO give Carnage a try.  If you hate it, I'll get out of the movie-recommending business.  :) 
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 21:46:41
 @OkcBaby  @cleandoe  @alvarex  Lebron is the best player of his Era (which still continues), and Lebrons reign > Kobe's despite Kobe having more rings. When its all said and done, Lebrons legacy will be better then Kobe. 
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 21:48:01
 @OBoymuzik  @cemitten  I don't think the gap between Lawson, and Westbrook would be as big as most people think, but I don't fear Lawson, or Iggy on a super team with Lebron. Besides you're not taking into account that Denver wouldn't be as deep with Lebrons massive contract. 
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 21:49:14
 @ElMexiThunder  @cleandoe  @alvarex Nah, I guarantee Lebron will relocate another time
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 21:49:19
 @El Prez If it's any consolation, El Prez . . . if you HAD seen Thunderstruck, then you probably wouldn't be thinking Young Adult was the worst movie you saw this weekend.  :)
DennisBerry
2012-08-27 21:49:29
 @ElMexiThunder  @OBoymuzik  @cemitten His contract isn't that big. He's almost exactly on par with KD in that regard
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 21:49:42
 @OkcBaby  @cleandoe  @alvarex  Not to mention i know as much as the old timers will like to say "The League was harder back in the day ect ect", The teams the Bulls faced despite the Lakers, and the Malone Jazz weren't better then the '07 Spurs, Maybe better then the Mavs, but i honestly think this Thunder team would go to work on the Suns, and Maybe the Trailblazers. 
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 21:50:34
 @Old Man Game  @ThunderChick2010 It did rain here as soon as you left.
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 21:50:42
 @DennisBerry  @OBoymuzik  @cemitten  True, but Denvers market isn't as big as Miami's, and You still have to think about how different the role players and ect would be on that Denver team if by any chance Lebron played there. 
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 21:51:20
 @DennisBerry  @OBoymuzik  @cemitten  I wouldn't think their better then us, but i would def think they would be a 2 seed and nothing lower. 
El Prez
2012-08-27 21:51:25
No--I totally respect TC's movie knowledge..that's the whole thing. I just thought the movie sucked and if I'd been at the theatre--I would have walked out. I can handle dark, dysfunctional movies. I loved Little Miss Sunshine. I loved The Descendants. I found Rachel Getting Married to be a compelling movie. And as sick as Black Swan was...it held me spellbound. Young Adult just sucked. Charlize Theron should be embarrassed she agreed to be in this movie. TC--I totally like you and respect you, but WTF?
cleandoe
2012-08-27 21:52:33
 @El Prez hahahaha
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 21:52:54
 @El Prez Geez, calm down.  Merely adding to your comments about the picture.  The crowd is indeed going wild in the background.
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 21:53:16
 @ElMexiThunder  @DennisBerry  @cemitten i'm just saying roster not city lol, but salary wise they could dump the 7-10 mill they're paying gallinari, then you have a starting unit of    Lawson Iggy Lebron Faried McGee   and a bench of :Andre Miller, Wilson Chandler, Corey Brewer, Mosgov, Koufos, Randolph    that would be pretty scary to me
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 21:53:55
 @ElMexiThunder  @DennisBerry  @cemitten and lebron could yell at javale instead of chalmers, that would work out great
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 21:54:06
 @OkcBaby  @cleandoe  @alvarex  What i'm trying to say is, despite people saying the league has been "pussified" i feel like the competition level of todays basketball may actually be superior. What was that line Magic said about MJ? "You couldn't guard him, because if you did you'd get called for everything.". Maybe perhaps the MJ Bulls are a little too glorified. Just like i say there is a way to over-rate the best player in the world, there is a way to over-rate the G.O.A.T., and Best teams. 
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 21:54:53
 @OBoymuzik  @DennisBerry  @cemitten  I'm not saying they wouldn't be good. They would be pretty scary, But i would still feel that we're the better team. 
DennisBerry
2012-08-27 21:55:22
 @OBoymuzik  @ElMexiThunder  @cemitten actually LeBron and his great playmaking would make McGee look like an all star, kind of like he did with Hickson.
thelaughingwiseman
2012-08-27 21:56:03
Any Thunder news out there?
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 21:56:37
 @El Prez Maybe it's more a girl thing?  I don't know . . . didn't Jooseppi like/recommend it also?  Gosh, this is the first time we've EVER disagreed about anything . . . 
cemitten
2012-08-27 21:57:06
I'll never forget this game.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Fjn1j6qdM
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 21:57:28
 @DennisBerry  @OBoymuzik  @cemitten  I forget he had people thinking Hickson was going to become some awesome hybrid 4
cleandoe
2012-08-27 21:57:49
 @ThunderChick2010  @El Prez that is what happens deeper into your marriage. get used to it
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 22:01:38
 @cleandoe  @El Prez Stop!  You're going to confuse ElMexi.
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 22:02:54
 @ElMexiThunder  @cleandoe  @alvarex Ummm the league today is a heck of a lot softer today then back then:)  MJ was overrated.  lol good one
shiki
2012-08-27 22:02:54
if Lebron can reach 70 wins in next 3 or 4 seasons,or stay in peak of the league when he is 35 years-old,it is safe to say he reachs jordan' s level
cleandoe
2012-08-27 22:06:46
 @ThunderChick2010  @El Prez boo you think a smile on the end of a sentence makes everything better dont you, you narcissistic ninnyhammer?!b :)
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 22:08:52
 @cleandoe  @El Prez It's a bad habit.  Just don't want to come across as bitter or negative as there's enough of that out there.  :) 
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 22:16:52
 @thelaughingwiseman Jimmer's not coming to the Thunder
cleandoe
2012-08-27 22:18:33
 @thelaughingwiseman a lightning bolt sent a flaming branch through a womans window, in orlando. i guess there was thunder there... also it may thunder in the uk
AllDae
2012-08-27 22:18:44
 @shiki he needs atleast 3 rings  plus what you said to catch up to Jordan
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 22:20:51
 @DennisBerry East was loaded with teams that year 2
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 22:29:54
 @OkcBaby  @cleandoe  @alvarex  Obviously the idiot didn't really understand what i was trying to say. You're def not one of the few that go by the "Understand to be Understood" Philosophy. For as "Soft" as the league has gotten today, Greats like Magic Johnson of all still said that MJ went to the line, and was took care of extremely well by the league. Didn't Reggie say something to the line of why is everyone complaining about flopping today, when its been going on for generations? I never said Jordan was "Over-Rated", but people do glorify him too much. They don't point out his flaws perhaps how he wasn't as athletically gifted as others, Hows about for a guy as "Technical" as he was, He was indeed a streaky scorer, who would get half of his from the foul line. He wasn't a monster on defense the way Lebron is, and people bash Kobe, and Lebron but they forget the list of names MJ played with. I never said he wasn't the best of all time. I'm just saying all of novice spectators of the game, and just straight up idiots don't look at the whole picture. MJ is the G.O.A.T no question but just like Ali, just like Ruth, He had many flaws. Some of which Lebron doesn't have, Of course the same way vice versa. Understand that Lebron when all said and done may just be the best player in existence not named Michael Jordan. Thats how iconic this man has been/is becoming whether you like him, or hate him, or can't get off of Magics, Birds, Kareem's, and so on. Its the truth. 
El Prez
2012-08-27 22:30:37
Maybe cleandoe is right---the honeymoon's over. Back to hand jobs and falling asleep on the couch.
duhsweetness
2012-08-27 22:32:53
 @OBoymuzik  @cemitten Denver? Yes. Philly? Yes. Chicago? Yes. 
cleandoe
2012-08-27 22:32:53
 @El Prez guys. if it doesnt work out i know this really great lawyer. i call him sasquach
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 22:37:55
 @El Prez  But i thought you said the sex gets better thirty years later.... Old man make sense!!
El Prez
2012-08-27 22:38:26
I know a better lawyer. I call him Dad. Let's not go there. We don't want to end up like Alec Baldwin and Kim Bassinger. We don't want bitterness encompassing our beings. Always put the children first. We don't want to destroy ElMexi's universe because Young Adult sucked.
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 22:38:58
 @El Prez  Whats "Young Adult". Is it a porno? 
cleandoe
2012-08-27 22:40:17
 @El Prez or mine. there is a high chance im tc's son, remember?
OkcBaby
2012-08-27 22:40:43
 @ElMexiThunder  @cleandoe  @alvarex He was just 9x defensive 1st team, defensive player of the year, 3 x steals champion.  Thats not beast at all:)  He wasnt that athletically gifted either.  Another good one. lol
El Prez
2012-08-27 22:40:45
 I was just trying to center your universe and make our family more centered. Just remember,,no matter what happens between your mother and I--we both love you.
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 22:41:06
 @cleandoe  @El Prez  Brother??? Am i adopted or some shit, because i'm sure i'm the only brown person in this family. 
cleandoe
2012-08-27 22:42:17
 @ElMexiThunder  @El Prez its weird. im black. maybe they couldnt have children of their own
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 22:42:33
I just recently discovered who Kendrick Lamar is. Turning into a bit of a fan. 
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 22:43:01
 @cleandoe  @El Prez  Wait you're the dude from England right? 
cleandoe
2012-08-27 22:43:28
 @ElMexiThunder  @El Prez jk bro we're clearly not adopted. gotcha
cleandoe
2012-08-27 22:44:38
 @ElMexiThunder  @El Prez there's 2 of us. ou_sas and mw
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 22:44:43
 @cleandoe  @El Prez  Hur? I asked if you were from England... But wait, Who's the older brother?
El Prez
2012-08-27 22:46:31
You could be like Tristan and Alfred in Legends of the Fall. Just so we share the same data bank... you could be brothers...I'm part black, part Mexican, part Italian.
cleandoe
2012-08-27 22:47:02
 @ElMexiThunder  @El Prez ask mom
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 22:47:21
 @cleandoe  @El Prez  DUDE ARE YOU FROM ENGLAND OR NOT!!!!
cleandoe
2012-08-27 22:48:21
 @ElMexiThunder  @El Prez i said yes. *me
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 22:48:46
 @cleandoe  @El Prez  What part? 
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 22:49:28
 @El Prez  Is mom white? 
cleandoe
2012-08-27 22:49:59
 @ElMexiThunder  @El Prez manchester i think she is
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 22:52:50
 @cleandoe  @El Prez  This entire time i thought i was just Mexican. Turns out I'm black, and italian too. But when i'm asked on those exams to check what "Ethnic" group i belong too... Which do i choose, They already make me choose "White" even though I'm brown...... 
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 22:53:26
 @cleandoe  @El Prez  New girlfriend is originally from Cornwall, Just wondering. 
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 22:55:28
Anyone interested in spanish guitar lessons? 
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 22:56:00
 @El Prez Watch Carnage next weekend and we'll see if I'm redeemed.  If not, we'll break the news to the kiddos and I'll call ou_sas myself.  (I have a feeling you'd make a better ex-husband anyway.)
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 22:56:11
 @ElMexiThunder do you play?
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 22:57:20
 @OBoymuzik  Yes but for fun. I play Piano too. 
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 22:59:56
 @cleandoe  @ElMexiThunder  @El Prez I didn't think it was possible to sink lower than the 7th vs 8th discussion from yesterday . . .
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 23:00:41
 @ThunderChick2010  @El Prez  But i'm just berly getting use to having a white mom... You already want to leave me!! WTF!!
cleandoe
2012-08-27 23:01:13
 @ThunderChick2010  @El Prez i dont like it when you fight :( 
cleandoe
2012-08-27 23:02:18
 @ThunderChick2010  @ElMexiThunder  @El Prez lol i was joking all the way through. look back. im not sure about est - he seemed serious with his evidence
OBoymuzik
2012-08-27 23:02:49
 @ElMexiThunder cool i play piano too, i try to play guitar on keyboard sometimes but its pretty tough lol
cleandoe
2012-08-27 23:03:36
 @ThunderChick2010  @ElMexiThunder  @El Prez oh and yeah, this place has gotten pretty weird.
cleandoe
2012-08-27 23:04:19
#reallyfastlike
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 23:06:14
 @OBoymuzik  Eh i like Piano better. I know a'lot of people rather play guitar, but i like playing classical music with piano. As far as guitar i try to go for some Spanish, Middle-Eastern rythems then regular rock n roll. All though i want to go into playing a type of Jazz Guitar. I understand it has a'lot of guitar crys. 
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 23:06:40
 @cleandoe I'm just dreading the fairly "normal" people reading this and shaking their heads in a combination of confusion and dismay.
El Prez
2012-08-27 23:11:22
@ElMexi, Have I told you lately how proud your mother and I are of you? Our son---the piano player. I never told you this before, but I could pass for Billy Joel. It's in your genes.
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 23:11:41
 @OBoymuzik  Type of music i like to play. (Not me btw) Closest thing to the original guitar used on the song i could find by covers. For some reason everyone wants to do some hard rock sounds with such a simple rift. 
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 23:13:31
 @OBoymuzik  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEzjrXcbBu0&feature=related
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 23:14:31
 @El Prez  I might sound stupid for this but.... Who's Billy Joel? 
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 23:18:19
 @El Prez  Billy?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxEPV4kolz0
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 23:26:55
 @ElMexiThunder  @El Prez  Oh my, we failed you.
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 23:27:52
 @ThunderChick2010  @El Prez  How? Cause i don't know who Billy Joel is? 
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 23:28:03
 @ElMexiThunder  @El Prez  You've really managed 19 years without EVER hearing this?  You've been missing out, kiddo.
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 23:29:19
 @ThunderChick2010  @El Prez  Sometimes the best things are kept secret? Idk.... 
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 23:31:29
 @ElMexiThunder  @El Prez  I forgot how much I loved this song.  Wow.
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 23:32:59
 @ThunderChick2010  @El Prez  I liked it too.. 
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-27 23:36:07
 @ElMexiThunder  @El Prez Maybe you've heard this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-bRxqz4mxg  
ElMexiThunder
2012-08-27 23:41:03
 @ThunderChick2010  @El Prez  God danm he's old!
MisterJohnsonOKC
2012-08-27 23:53:55
 @cemitten Good god man, you on on an OKC Thunder related website and you are looking for sympathy for Lebron?
EricMe
2012-08-28 00:43:48
 @justin_mia  @SERGEant_Slaughter  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @Tricia_Status  Eric Gordon has always been starter and main player and fullfilled his role appropriately. No bench player makes a max salary
EricMe
2012-08-28 00:45:51
 @justin_mia  I can't say conclusively but if they didn't even play him as a starter in the NBA finals when they realized that Sef was being unproductive, it means that they dreaded the negative impact that he will have on the final minutes of the game.
EricMe
2012-08-28 00:56:44
 @justin_mia  @OBoymuzik  @Tricia_Status  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  You undervalue Ibaka's contribution but I think the team's staff gave him close to the max because of his importance to the team. OKC's defense would not be average without Ibaka and the fact that you're saying there are good defensive good men out there highlight the fact that you give too much importance to stats. It is not just Ibaka's blocks, There are shots deviated, easy lay ups avoided, more fast break opportunities due to the blocks, more energy from the crowd due to the blocks, the assurance that the perimeters are protected so that they can go for fast breaks and these are some of te advantages of his blocks. We can also talk about his defense and his ability to cover the courts and all their implications. the stats and PER and all that are limited and misleading.
EricMe
2012-08-28 01:04:50
 @Crow  @justin_mia  I think Rashard Lewis's 14 millions was carried over from Orlando when he was a starter so it doesn't count.
senseandsenescence
2012-08-28 01:23:51
Two thoughts:   1)  By letting Harden go to RFA and then matching a max offer, the Thunder save about half a million a year in years 2-4.  Not amazing, but it is something if you are doubling or tripling that with luxury tax payments.   2) I like Oboy's Sullinger video, but it lacks the desired "got you" effect.  I'm not on here enough to use it much so let me submit this for ( @cleandoe 's) use ... http://i.imgur.com/c4zRj.gif
EricMe
2012-08-28 01:33:20
 @justin_mia  @OkcBaby  @MisterJohnsonOKC  So is there a law that prohibit other players in the league to have weak side blocks.
OBoymuzik
2012-08-28 01:36:15
 @senseandsenescence  @cleandoe BEST. THING. EVER.    
Legendary_Dork
2012-08-28 03:36:27
 @shiki i hate the jordan vs lebron argument so much, first off they are 2 DRASTICALLY different players. MJ was cutthroat and had a IM BETTER than you mentality. Mj in his prime would def school lebron, just saying. 
tromeo143
2012-08-28 08:03:24
 @DennisBerry  @ElMexiThunder  @OBoymuzik  @cemitten  Hey email me some info on the suite tromeo143@yahoo.com
tromeo143
2012-08-28 08:04:09
 @DennisBerry  Hey email me some info on the suite... tromeo143@yahoo.com  
cemitten
2012-08-28 08:48:15
 @MisterJohnsonOKC Not a lot else to talk about.  There probably won't be any james harden contract news until next summer.  The team is spread  across multiple continents.  People get grumpy when you talk about football.   There has been a lot of discussion about Lebron and I was stating that I believe he is hands down the best player in the league and I've yet to see a valid argument against that.
cleandoe
2012-08-28 09:05:54
 @senseandsenescence   THANKS! I have improved on this version (twice if you must know) but I'll only share it when someone needs to be Sullinger'd. This definitely has he 'got you' effect
OBoymuzik
2012-08-28 09:20:36
 @cleandoe  @senseandsenescence im using it too buddy
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-28 09:24:51
 @MisterJohnsonOKC  @OkcBaby  @justin_mia we got a NBA birther in here? LMAO cmon son. 
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-28 09:29:03
 @justin_mia  @OkcBaby  @MisterJohnsonOKC Wait I cant believe you say that weak side blocks are overrated. You cant be serious! A weak side block means you were able to help your teammate who obviously got beaten on a play and stop something from happening. You CANNOT be serious about that statement. If he's leading that means he's helping out a lot ...and if he's helping out a lot that means he's necessary --  Please please please stop the madness bro.
OBoymuzik
2012-08-28 09:37:02
LOL the LA Times wrote an article abut Ibaka and not being happy on the spain team, in the article it mentioned he signed a " 4 year 65 million dollar contract extension"   epic lolz
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-28 09:39:53
 @justin_mia  AND AND AND....since I cant find that comment you made trying to say that Serge is a PF and not a Center... Whatever...He's both. He can play the 5 just well as Udonis Haslem could (standing at 6'8" 250). Ibaka is a PF/C whether you like it or not. 
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-28 09:50:24
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @justin_mia  Are you really trying to argue with justin_mia?  :)
OBoymuzik
2012-08-28 09:53:11
 @ThunderChick2010  @SERGEant_Slaughter  @justin_mia i think serge is a true point guard
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-28 09:58:11
 @ThunderChick2010  @justin_mia I'll try to stop because its painful. 
ILikePancakes
2012-08-28 10:04:42
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/08/kevin-durant-plans-to-mentor-thunder-rookie-perry-jones/   Durant confirmed for Buddhist
OBoymuzik
2012-08-28 10:05:15
Serge isn't working with Hakeem (yet)   but Nick Collison is working with Mutumbo     http://twitter.com/UNICEFKenya/status/240459589554950144/photo/1
ILikePancakes
2012-08-28 10:05:40
 @OBoymuzik WHO WANTS TO SEX MUTOMBOOOOOO
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-28 10:09:48
 @ElMexiThunder  @ThunderChick2010  I always thought The River of Dreams was underrated. And outside Piano Man, I thought everyone had heard We Didn't Start the Fire.
cleandoe
2012-08-28 10:13:08
 @OBoymuzik  @senseandsenescence No problemo. Your meme, your rules (to a certain degree)
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-28 10:14:11
 @ThunderChick2010  @cleandoe  @El Prez @ElMexiThunder    So you guys are all weird and such.
justin_mia
2012-08-28 10:22:49
 @SERGEant_Slaughter Ibaka only played 4% of the team's minutes at center last season, and was far less effective there. No, he's not really both right now.  He doesn't have the defensive rebounding capability or strength to guard big guys to capably play center consistently.  When he's on the floor with any of our bigs other than Durant he's defending the other team's PF almost always.  For Ibaka's contract to be viable he will probably have to play C a lot more.
justin_mia
2012-08-28 10:30:03
 @SERGEant_Slaughter Udonis Haslem has a career DRB of 21.9% and has been as high as ~25% in recent years where he played more center.  He is stronger than Ibaka (defends the post better, according to Synergy, .1 PPP difference is not insubstantial).  The reason Ibaka can't really play center all the time is because the team gets destroyed on the defensive glass.  If you grouped Ibaka in with all centers that received 1000 or more minutes last season he'd be 44th out of 66th in DRB%, behind Johan Petro, Gustavo Ayon, Timofey Mozgov... our two other real centers also sucked on the boards.  
f5alcon
2012-08-28 10:47:41
 @justin_mia hopefully cole gets minutes, his drb% was decent for scrub minutes.
ou_sas
2012-08-28 10:53:24
 @OBoymuzik Reporting!
ou_sas
2012-08-28 10:56:53
 @ThunderChick2010  @cleandoe I just collapse the conversation once it starts to get really weird. :)
ou_sas
2012-08-28 11:00:24
 @SERGEant_Slaughter Re: "Wait I cant believe you say that weak side blocks are overrated. You cant be serious! A weak side block means you were able to help your teammate who obviously got beaten on a play and stop something from happening. You CANNOT be serious about that statement. If he's leading that means he's helping out a lot ...and if he's helping out a lot that means he's necessary --  Please please please stop the madness bro."   Weakside blocks are useful, no doubt. But I'd rather have a defense where you don't need someone coming over to consistently help out. A weakside block is not the same as an interception in football. It's more akin to the safety coming over to cover your ass because your corner got beat. You'd rather be able to trust the corner to do his job and not need the safety's help, but if it prevents a TD, you'll take it. Same thing with weakside blocks.  
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-28 11:04:18
Yeah, I stepped away from dt for a half hour or so and came back to find this whole dysfunctional "family" drama waiting for me.  It's an unfortunate continuation of a semi-humorous conversation from several days ago . . .
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-28 11:04:25
 @ou_sas but who's fault is that....Kendrick Perkins! Give credit to serge for being able to notice when a teammate needs help.   geez
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-28 11:05:55
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @cleandoe  @El Prez  @ElMexiThunder  Being called weird by Jax is like . . . well, I don't know.  :) When I mentioned "normal" people, I had ou_sas in mind . . . just for the record.
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-28 11:08:36
 @ou_sas  @cleandoe  So how much longer 'til the season begins???
justin_mia
2012-08-28 11:10:44
 @ou_sas  @SERGEant_Slaughter Yeah, I get the feeling she doesn't watch a lot of Thunder basketball.  A weak side block doesn't mean you're always helping your teammate.  One of my peeves about our defense, and Serge specifically, is when he helps when it is not necessary.  Often Perkins will have good positioning defensively and Ibaka will come and attempt a block anyway.  This leaves the Thunder exposed on the boards, or if the big guy is a good passer like one of the Gasols, it leaves them open to interior passing.  Weak side shot blocking is definitely useful, but the reason Ibaka gets so many is because he's trying to get every single one.  He's not Dwight, who gets fewer blocks per game but those blocks mean more.  Many are on the ball,and he's intelligent about when to give help and when to be positioned properly for a rebound.  And again, if Serge's shot blocking had such a huge effect on our defense, our defense would be much better with him on the court.  According to most metrics I can find, Ibaka doesn't have a very positive effect on the defense.  He's be better off attempting fewer blocks, boxing out his man more, working on positioning, etc.  Blocks are sexy though, and it's what people remember.
justin_mia
2012-08-28 11:11:36
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @ou_sas No, this is definitely not always the case.
ou_sas
2012-08-28 11:17:45
 @SERGEant_Slaughter It's not necessarily Perk's fault if it's Tony Parker blowing by from the perimeter or something. I agree, it's useful, but, as Justin said, don't get caught up in thinking that weakside blocks are a magical, awesome stat.
ou_sas
2012-08-28 11:19:09
 @ThunderChick2010  @cleandoe Too long.
ou_sas
2012-08-28 11:19:41
 @ThunderChick2010 I went home for the day, and discover the post has exploded with comments. Thank goodness I get the hourly comment feed rather than an update of every single comment posted.
ou_sas
2012-08-28 11:20:36
 @ThunderChick2010  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @cleandoe  @El Prez  @ElMexiThunder If I'm what passes for normal on this board, then we're really off the deep end here.
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-28 11:26:34
http://dailythunder.com/2012/08/tuesday-bolts-8-28-12/
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-28 11:26:48
 @justin_mia  @ou_sas  @SERGEant_Slaughter  Sexy?  I guess being intelligently and properly positioned for a rebound doesn't always make the highlight reel.
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-28 11:28:38
 @ou_sas That was just one example! Good grief. We need to stop nitpickng at the details. 
ou_sas
2012-08-28 11:29:34
 @ThunderChick2010  @justin_mia  @SERGEant_Slaughter Unless your name is Nick Collison, in which case, Royce's got your back.
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-28 11:31:15
 @justin_mia  @ou_sas Hello - I do watch Thunder Games. We all have played basketball as well right? Can we add the Real life factor? And questioning Ibaka's intelligence is assuming this guy played more then anyone else at his position through life. He's learning. We also have a coach, who should say hey Serge, dont do that ...   Im exhausted. LOL
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-08-28 11:35:15
 @ThunderChick2010  @justin_mia  @ou_sas  @SERGEant_Slaughter Unless he did it in his underwear - amirightorwhat?!?
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-28 11:35:37
 @ou_sas  @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @cleandoe  @El Prez  @ElMexiThunder  It's all relative, right?
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-28 11:40:55
 @Jax Raging Bile Duct  @justin_mia  @ou_sas  @SERGEant_Slaughter  I was thinking more the fox-ear and mitt thing . . .
ou_sas
2012-08-28 11:48:01
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @justin_mia The problem that I think Justin was pointing out was that we need Serge to play like a starting PF, rather than an energy guy off the bench. Trying to block everything works when you're playing 16 mpg or so, but if we're expecting 30+, he just can't do that.
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-28 11:53:13
 @ou_sas  @justin_mia So you want him to stop what he does best? Look if you want to go that route...so be it. All I know is, the team is not self coached. If they wanted him to do things differently, they wouldve COACHED him not too.
justin_mia
2012-08-28 11:56:35
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @ou_sas If he is going to be worth 4 years, $51 million he will have to do a lot more than try to block every shot.  That's really the extent of his improvements I saw last season.  Also, the point is that despite the high number of blocks he collects, Serge doesn't seem to impact the game defensively like an elite defensive player should.  That's all.
ou_sas
2012-08-28 12:03:44
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @justin_mia I don't want him to stop blocking shots if that's needed. But, #1) is it needed every time that Serge is trying for it? and #2) I'm greedy, and if I get a 4/$48 player, I'm going to damn well expect the world out of him if he's got a reputation for being a good defensive player. I want him blocking shots, rebounding, playing good, non-fouling man defense - the whole shebang. He's getting paid - now I want him to live up to his contract.
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-28 12:09:30
 @ou_sas  @justin_mia You are over exaggerating about him going for every block.    I'm finished. This is painful.
justin_mia
2012-08-28 12:18:07
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @ou_sas Why was our defense better in the playoffs with Serge on the bench?
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-28 12:51:08
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @ou_sas  @justin_mia  And now you're arguing with justin AND a lawyer . . . There's no way this is going to turn out good for you.
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-28 12:53:11
 @ThunderChick2010  @ou_sas  @justin_mia    Not scared at all....Lets do it. 
ou_sas
2012-08-28 13:24:08
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @justin_mia Let me put it this way: There are multiple, respectable NBA bloggers who were joking that you could think about pump faking and Serge would have left his feet to attempt the block.
SERGEant_Slaughter
2012-08-28 13:30:24
 @ou_sas  @justin_mia KD does the same thing. Whats your point?
ou_sas
2012-08-28 13:46:58
 @SERGEant_Slaughter  @justin_mia KD's not the one who's the defensive block specialist. Justin is well on record for calling out KD on the defensive end, and I've put forward my own problems with his tendency to sag yards off his defenders.   The point I was trying to make was that Serge wants the block so much that he's getting made fun of for it. If he had other areas for which he was well known - besides Dunking, and Gnawing on the ball between free throws - it'd be no big deal. However, this is Serge Iblocka we're talking about. Blocking shots is his thing, yet he's easy enough to pump fake. You see what I'm saying? 
FF_pickups
2012-08-28 14:54:29
Harden will NEVER hit RFA.  If the Thunder were seriously considering a future with no James Harden then they would've done the trade that Charlotte offered (2nd overall pick for James Harden http://bit.ly/M1N8mm ).  The second pick makes far less money and is an enormous asset.  So if Presti isn't willing to pay Harden, then not trading Harden for the number 2 overall pick was a COLOSSAL mistake.  Presti dots every i and signs every t and I am confident he didn't make a colossal mistake. Therefore Harden will never hit RFA.
FF_pickups
2012-08-28 14:58:44
Harden will NEVER hit RFA.  If the Thunder were seriously considering a future with no James Harden then they would've done the trade that Charlotte offered (2nd overall pick for James Harden http://bit.ly/M1N8mm ).  The second pick makes far less money and is an enormous asset.  So if Presti isn't willing to pay Harden, then not trading Harden for the number 2 overall pick was a COLOSSAL mistake.  Presti dots every i and signs every t and he doesn't make a colossal mistakes. Therefore Harden will never hit RFA.
Treviedo
2012-08-28 15:44:55
 @justin_mia  @ou_sas  @SERGEant_Slaughter Its what shooters remember.
EricMe
2012-08-28 20:04:31
 @ou_sas  @SERGEant_Slaughter  @justin_mia  These bloggers don't know much about Basketball because they sucked at playing it
EricMe
2012-08-28 20:07:33
 @ou_sas   Do you make your opinion or you base it on bloggers. Besides, give me the names of the players that satisfy all the defensive reuirements that you want Serge to satisfy.
EricMe
2012-08-28 20:11:53
 @justin_mia   What could Howard have done without his physical strength? I don't see him doing anything special on defense that Serge doesn't do. He is only stronger and fouls a lot and ahve to be bailed out by referees because he is constantly in foul trouble. Moreover, if the thunder organization made promises of bonuses in order for Serge to duplicate his shots blocking abilities and his stance as the defensive player of the year, it is because they value it deeply. Stats only tell 5% of the game. When you use too much stats you forget about the game itself.
EricMe
2012-08-28 20:18:27
 @justin_mia  @SERGEant_Slaughter  Stats mean nothing. Stats are what made Jeremy a top 5 or top 10 poitn guard in the league while he can't even bring the ball off the court by himself. Bring Haslem to replace Ibaka and OKC will crash out of the first round. There is a reason why teams would never pay anything like that to Haslem and they would line up for IBAKA. Once again you trust the stats too much and they don't tell you the whole story.
ou_sas
2012-08-29 09:00:26
 @EricMe @SERGEant_Slaughter was referring to the statements Justin and I both were making regarding Serge going for a block on every posession. Since I don't have l33t video editing skills, I was attempting to prove the point by another manner: in this case, the opinion that people whose paycheck is dependent on watching basketball provided regarding his willingness to go for the blocks.   The thing is, the defensive requirements that I want Serge to satisfy aren't that far fetched for how amazing he is as an athlete. I'm not asking him to pull down 25 and 15 every night like Kevin Love does. Part of what he's lacking is coaching, part of what he's lacking is experience, but there is a clear progression for what he should be able to do. If we're going to pay Serge as much as we did, then it is by no means unreasonable to expect him to continue to develop. We paid for Serge's potential. Not his current. My point was to express what I'd like that potential to be.   Furthermore, didn't you read the post where I admitted that I'm greedy in what I wanted from Serge?   As an aside, if you choose to completely disregard stats, then what difference is Serge Ibaka to anyone? There's a difference between saying that a player does plenty of things that don't readily show up on a stat sheet (e.g., Nick Collison) versus completely disregarding stats entirely. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this game is all about stats. Specifically, this game is about scoring more points than the other guy. You don't win just by having the younger/older roster, having more experience, being the nicest/meanest team. You win by scoring. Which means, you win based on the stats you produce. 
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-29 09:17:27
 @ou_sas  @EricMe  @SERGEant_Slaughter  "Correct me if I'm wrong, but this game is all about stats."   And Crow smiles.
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-29 09:19:00
 @ou_sas  @EricMe  @SERGEant_Slaughter  And btw . . . as usual, well thought-out, well said, well written, etc.  :)
ou_sas
2012-08-29 09:22:16
 @ThunderChick2010  @EricMe  @SERGEant_Slaughter Thanks! I will admit, I was tempted to critique his arguments rather than answer them straight up. I'm happier with this though.
ThunderChick2010
2012-08-29 09:23:14
 @ou_sas  @EricMe  @SERGEant_Slaughter  You're good.
Barry Amenema
2012-08-29 12:59:16
Four Hundred Fifty-Fifth!