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Presti calls the Phil Jackson/Van Gundy rumors ‘rubbish’

by Royce Young on June 24, 2012 at 5:51 pm 229 Comments

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“It’s rubbish.”

That was Sam Presti’s reaction Sunday when he was asked about what he makes of the rumors of Phil Jackson or Jeff Van Gundy being a potential replacement if Scott Brooks can’t work out an extension.

“We value him greatly,” Presti said of Brooks. “We wouldn’t be in the situation we’re in without him, and his commitment to our organization and our players.”

Presti said settling Brooks’ contract situation is “top on our list” of offseason to-do items.

“We’re looking forward to having those conversations in the coming days,” he said.

Presti also spoke some about the future discussions with Serge Ibaka and James Harden, noting that those bridges will be crossed at their appropriate times. Presti cited the first plan in attacking those situations was to do their homework, meaning understanding the new collective bargaining agreement as much as possible.

In terms of the plan with those players, Presti didn’t entirely rule out paying the luxury tax, but stressed that while there are certainly obstacles ahead, that the team clearly prefers to keep the current core of players together and let them continue to build from within.

“We understand there are going to be some challenges ahead, some tough challenges ahead,” he said. “What I can tell you, is that we’re going to do everything we can to make it work. We’re going to put everything toward it.

“We love the group that we have. And we’re going to work tirelessly to make it work here,” Presti said. “But we understand it, there are some inherent challenges and that’s part of the new system.”

Harden and Eric Maynor both seemed to indicate Saturday they’d be willing to potentially make concessions to keep the core of the roster intact. Presti was asked about that and how he’d approach those comments headed into negotiations.

“At the end of the day those are personal decisions,” he said. “And we’re not one to judge anyone in those respects. We’re going to do what we can to make it work for them, and make it work for us.”

A few other notes:

  • Presti said he thought the San Antonio series was the best basketball the Thunder played all season and said he hoped that would become the “standard of performance” for the team.
  • Presti had a pretty good line in talking about that old sustaining success thing: “It’s a lot easier, in my opinion, to find or achieve success, than to sustain it.”
  • It should be noted, “rubbish” is a fantastic word. I wouldn’t expect any less from Presti. Terrific selection there.
  • Tibor Pleiss signed with Caja Laboral, to which Presti confirmed. “We think it’s great for him. I think he’s only going to improve as a player by playing there. We’re very encouraged by his development, but I think the decision for him was to continue to play in Europe and give himself an opportunity to improve so that when he comes to the NBA he can contribute and we support that.”
  • On Andrey Vorontsevich, Presti kind of skipped around directly answering that situation just noting that he’s under contract in Russia and that teams can’t negotiate until July 1. “He’s a player that I think a lot of NBA teams have interest in,” Presti said.
  • Presti said the Thunder aren’t looking to move their draft pick. “If there’s a player on the board that we feel like fits our organization, fits our identity, we’ll draft them. If we feel like there’s a better way to use the draft pick, then we’ll do that.”
  • For summer league, the Thunder will send Lazar Hayward, Cole Aldrich and Reggie Jackson to Orlando, while also filling out the team with other non-roster players.
  • “We have to think big, but we have to build small,” Presti said. “The improvements that we’ll make will be incremental. We have to find ways on the edges, we have to find marginal gains.”
  • On Derek Fisher: “Whether Derek is with us next season or not, he’ll be with us in the sense that he’s left a ripple effect with our team.”
  • Presti admitted there’s some luck involved in this: “I’ll be the first to say that we’ve had some pretty good fortune. We’re not ashamed to point to that quickly. Whether it’s having the opportunity draft Kevin Durant, who not only happens to be a fantastic player but a fantastic person who personifies the values we want the organization to embody. Or a player like Russell Westbrook who we all thought was going to be a good player, but none of us anticipated the kind of ascent he’s experienced. I can go down the list. I’d also add, we’ve had some good fortune, but we’ve had some good fortune coming to Oklahoma City. I’m not sure this happens if we don’t come here.”
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Clark Matthews
Clark Matthews 5pts

I'm sure it was rubbish, but I also think the team leaked it on purpose. The fact that we know Scott Brooks turned down 3 years and $11 million tells me that Brooks' agent is playing through the media, so the Jackson/Van Gundy info getting to the media was probably the Thunder's way of retaliating.

JimboSlice
JimboSlice 5pts

Up late going through more videos/articles/etc on potential draft guys. Changing my tune on a few:

 

1) I've been up and down on Fab Melo, but if he's around at our pick screw it, take him. You just can't pass up a guy who defends at the rim like him way down at 28.

 

2) No thank you Jae Crowder. Combine measurements came out way small and looks like better defensive Lazar 2.0. Plus, if I want a defender, that brings me to my next point:

 

3) Jeff Taylor's a much better option. Maybe not the defender 1-5 that Crowder is, but who needs a 6' 3" bodybuilder guarding 5's anyway in the NBA. Better shooter, more fluid player overall, 6' 7" without shoes.

 

4) Even though I'm very wary of Fournier's lack of athleticism, he's growing on me. If he, Jeff Taylor, and Fab Melo are all available in a pickable range, that's a tough call.

 

5) Give me Nicholson over all aforementioned if in a pickable range.

 

6) Still think Royce White will be one of the best players of this draft if he lands in the right situation.

 

7) And on that note, I've really changed my tune on Draymond Green. I'm always wary of under-athletic and undersized players (only measured out to 6' 5.75" w/o shoes) but rebounding has translated in the past so well, it's impossible to ignore. I also think that he's on par with Royce White as a passer, but the passes he makes fit much more into the role he may be asked to play here than what White's would (unless Harden starts, in which case, White becomes the better fit for the bench). Has some Uncle Jeff-isms but looks to be a far superior shooter.

 

8) John Jenkins and Kim English are picks that I could see as being somewhat Presti-ish, trading or buying into the second round to get some big time value for small time money. I really don't care if either pans out to be anything more than a designated shooter, both guys absolutely can shoot the leather off the ball. Ironically, Kim English's DX "worst case scenario" is Robert Vaden, who, despite not seeing an NBA floor (yet) has shot phenomenally in the D-League. 

 

Jimbo's Big Board: 1- White 2- Green 3- Nicholson 4- Taylor 5- Melo 6- Jenkins 7- English 8- Fournier 

 

 

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

 @JimboSlice Something else to bear in mind is comparing these slightly undersized PFs to Latavious Williams. I wonder where he'd rate in this group if he were draftable. Might make sense to look more at SFs then in this draft if you think you've got something with Williams. 

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

@JimboSlice

I just don't see Green's game translating to the next level. His vertical is reportedly only 33 inches. For a player that undersized that's not going to work out well. It's unfortunate because otherwise he looks a lot like Kenneth Farried on the glass anyway. But The Manimal is a great leaper. Green seems to make up for his lack of athleticism with using his body to bull guys out of the way and get those boards. I just don't know how that's going to work at the next level but I suspect not all that well. 

 

He does appear to be a nice passer though. 

 

JimboSlice
JimboSlice 5pts

 @Old Man Game Fournier's vert is even worse at 31.5". 

 

But I have no worries about his rebounding translating. His combine stats are eerily identical to DeJuan Blair. Green measured out a half inch taller, 2 inches better no step vert, same max vert, slightly quicker lane agility, slightly lower body fat, wingspan less than an inch difference between the two and standing reach just over an inch difference. The only big difference was that Green benched half as many times as Blair. 

 

Blair's panned out to be solid, despite having less tools than Green does. I don't have many worries about the guy anymore. I just see his ceiling as being a little lower than some of the other guys, but his floor also being higher.

Tricia Status
Tricia Status 5pts

 @Old Man Game  @JimboSlice Shorter players box out for rebounding. That was a fundamental issue with OKC's rebounding this play-offs.

 

Miami is the pick before OKC i think. No way they'll pass him up. Its up to the Celtics to take that opportunity away from them.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @JimboSlice I think 'Id put Nicholson and Taylor over Green, otherwise I agree.  I like Crowder more than Fournier or English.

JimboSlice
JimboSlice 5pts

 @justin_mia Nicholson and Green for me are interchangeable. If both were on the board come 28 it would probably come down to what I thought we were doing with our own personnel going forward. I like Nicholson a lot as a late round pick as well. Taylor I'm pretty high on as well, especially if we plan to keep bringing Harden off the bench for more than just next year

Prye05
Prye05 5pts

Does anyone know if the Thunder have had Quincy Miller in to workout? If his knee checks out clean he was ranked in the top 5 freshman going into last year and could be a steal at 28. Another long arm small forward that needs to add some muscle, but value is value.

jallenmorris
jallenmorris 5pts

 @Prye05 Wasn't Mullens ranked as one of the elite freshman coming out of high school? Hindsight is easy and it makes me wonder if another year or 2 of college would have done him some good. Then again, he might have hit his ceiling and shown everyone his true ceiling and it would have cost him millions. 

Prye05
Prye05 5pts

 @jallenmorris The difference with Mullens was that he was a freshman simply due to athleticism and size. Plus it's not that he was a terrible player he just didn't have a role on the Thunder. In order to succeed in the NBA you need to have opportunity AND talent. One without the other isn't a good recipe.

JimboSlice
JimboSlice 5pts

 @Prye05  @jallenmorris he's still a pretty terrible player. He had a couple outbursts, but he's still a bottom 5 NBA big man.

JimboSlice
JimboSlice 5pts

 @Prye05 I was just going to ask the same about Jeff Taylor. Could be groomed into a little bit of a Thabo clone with a better jumpshot to come off the bench at the 3.

Prye05
Prye05 5pts

 @JimboSlice Another interesting piece for those calling for a better passing big man... if the Thunder were to trade down Henry Sims is an excellent passer. He also comes from a "smart" college and has good remarks about his character. Not the best athlete in the world but has great length and decent technique... motor was questioned but not a major issue from what i've read. 

koolcrud
koolcrud 5pts

 @JimboSlice  @Prye05 As someone who's as massive a Hoya fan as I am a Thunder fan, I may be uniquely qualified to evaluate Henry Sims.

 

Sims is a pretty good athlete, as befits a kid who was a highly ranked prospect coming out of HS. He then was basically terrible for 3 years before completely shocking everyone by turning in a stellar senior season. This past year's Hoya team was expected to be in the NIT. Instead, Sims led them to compete for a Big East title, and a #3 seed in the tournament. And let there be no mistake, it was SIMS who led them, not Hollis Thompson or Jason Clark.

 

Sims turnovers are due to 2 main factors. One, is that he has pretty poor hands catching the ball on the block (something us Thunder fans are quite used to). This is due largely to the fact that his hands just aren't as big as you'd expect from someone his size. However, the 2nd factor really isn't his fault. In Georgetown's system, the big man is the primary passer, out of the high post in the half court. (Jeff Green played this role also, as did Greg Monroe.) Sims actually led the Hoyas in assists last year and he's a pretty tremendous and gifted passer who sees the floor very well. He also plays with a mean streak offensively and has a variety of post moves he can utilize, as you would expect from a Georgetown center. He has also started to develop a jump shot out to the free throw line that is infinitely more confident and effective than Perk's.

 

Defensively, he's not athletic enough to guard good scoring bigs in the NBA. This means he's going to foul quite a bit. That said, more overall eval is that Sims should develop into a completely servicable back-up center in the NBA. A slightly smaller, better passing, Nazr Mohammad might be a good comparable.

JimboSlice
JimboSlice 5pts

 @Prye05 It's not the NUMBER of turnovers, but the RATE that he turns it over that scares me. Russ' highest turnover rate of his career was 17.6%, which is extremely high (Now it's down to 14.2% for the season which is still high, but got all the way down to 9% which is pretty solid for the playoffs). Sims is turning the ball over on over 20% of his possessions. That's a big red flag to me. If I had to choose I'd take him over Ezeli, who is equally efficient, but less turnover prone (meaning he flat out is worthless trying to score), but since we don't have to take a big necessarily, I'd go with Jenkins, English, maybe even Crowder before I picked Sims in the second round.

Prye05
Prye05 5pts

 @JimboSlice From what i've read the reason Sims turns the ball over is because of how much he handles the ball. Just look at Westbrook who continues to have higher turnover rates. If he had the ball in his hands as little as Perk did I'd be more concerned. But anytime you can get a decently sized big man with both offensive and defensive skills in the 2nd round I don't see how it's a bad thing.

JimboSlice
JimboSlice 5pts

 @Prye05 if you look down to the other article link i posted though, Sims looked downright Perk-ish offensively when broken down by synergy sports. Very inefficient and extremely turnover prone. I'd stay away at all costs. 

calebli
calebli 5pts

Scott Brooks will become the next Avery Johnson.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3375306

 

http://www.facebook.com/firescottbrooks - LIKE THE PAGE!

JimboSlice
JimboSlice 5pts

 @calebli I would... but he wouldn't be getting fired, just not extended...

JimboSlice
JimboSlice 5pts

This article makes me want Andrew Nicholson relatively badly:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Situational-Statistics-the-2012-Big-Men-Crop-3992

JimboSlice
JimboSlice 5pts

another guy who showed well was Ricardo Ratliffe. Interesting since he isn't on anybody's mocks really, so he could be a really cool training camp or summer league invitee if he goes undrafted. Miles Plumlee solidified himself as someone not even worth thinking about.

MarkVerdugo
MarkVerdugo 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Miles Plumlee tested as the most athletic big man in the history of the NBA combine.  40.5" max vertical.  10.64 agility.  3.36 3/4 sprint.  He's also 6'11" 252 lbs. and the best offensive rebounder in the Draft  and the best rebounder per minute among centers.

 

Rebounds per 40 minutes (pace adjusted):

 

Miles Plumlee 13.4

Tyler Zeller 12.4

Andre Drummond 10.8

Meyers Leonard 10.4

Festus Ezeli 10.2

Feb Melo 9.3

Tricia Status
Tricia Status 5pts

agreed

Crow
Crow 5pts

 @MarkVerdugo Those are impressive numbers if they are all correct.

jallenmorris
jallenmorris 5pts

 @JimboSlice If a player goes undrafted but is invited to summer camp by multiple teams, isn't the choice the players on which to attend? I'd think we'd be on the top of the list for a player to accept (unless the Heat invite as well).

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

Wonder what big could slip by in the Draft

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @OkcBaby none i doubt any

Tricia Status
Tricia Status 5pts

Are we confident that The Celtics will Draft Fab Melo. I'm going to need that to happen, because he goes any lower in the draft, the Heat will snag him. Lebron will have Not 1, Not 2, Not 3...

 

This is no longer a draft. Its chess.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @Tricia_status he will be long gone before we even have a chance another things as a SU fan he's overrated

Tricia Status
Tricia Status 5pts

 @Lost Ones I hope youre right because I'll go ballistic. Also, will the Knicks have a hard time picking up Nash? I'll need for that to happen to. We need for some team in the East to hassle/wear down the Heat.  I know they keep saying its not guaranteed that OKC will get to the finals again next year...but the odds are in OKC's favor that they will. So they will be facing the Heat again.

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @Tricia_status depending on stern is able to overturnthe arbitration they will be able to get nash 

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

 @Tricia_status It does such that those shitheels get to pick ahead of us. 

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

looks like kyle lowry has been traded, don't know where too yet

OkcBaby
OkcBaby 5pts

 @OBoymuzik Fuck Dragic he tries to take knees out

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @OkcBaby  @OBoymuzik yea he's a dirty player.

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

 @OBoymuzik Whoa. So Houston's going all in with Dragic. 

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @Old Man Game yeppp...many more Russ-Dragic battles/meltdowns to come

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @Lost Ones  @Old Man Game lol the way you phrased it sounded like you meant they were trading for him

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @OBoymuzik  @Old Man Game  i know this LOL

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @Lost Ones  @Old Man Game .....dragic is on the rockets

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @OBoymuzik  @Old Man Game oh most def probably is happening but idk if ill give him up for dragic..

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @Lost Ones  @Old Man Game i did a search after i saw alex's tweet and there were alot of other rumors this weekend that he was getting traded...might have not happened yet but it looks like it's happening

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @OBoymuzik  @Old Man Game lol...

 

 

idk didnt Alex say that its speculation at this point

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

Question How tall is westbrook , I know his listed height is 6'3 but he has to be 6'4

courtsense
courtsense 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Lost Ones You can tell he's 6-4 and not 6-3?!

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 7 Like

 @Lost Ones

Tall enough to do this:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85km-JDcj2w

 

That was a memorable Friday the 13th both for this dunk and for narrowly being missed by the Norman tornado. . . .

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts

 @ThunderChick2010  @Lost Ones I'm still disappointed in B.D.'s call there. "Ohhhhh there are no words" c'mon Brian give me something. 

Lost Ones
Lost Ones 5pts

 @Old Man Game  @ThunderChick2010 LMAOOO

Old Man Game
Old Man Game 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @ThunderChick2010 Somehow when B.D. said it though, it made me want to go use some hand sanitizer or take a shower. 

ThunderChick2010
ThunderChick2010 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Old Man Game

Well, he was using NASTY before Pop made it cool.

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