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And there’s one.
Serge Ibaka and the Thunder have agreed to a multi-year deal, the team announced Saturday. According to Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports, it’s for four years, $48 million.
“We are very excited that Serge will continue as a core member of the Thunder for years to come,” said Sam Presti in a release. “His passion for our organization, our community and for continuing to build on the foundation that he and his teammates have established was pivotal to making this possible. Serge personifies many of the traits that we value as an organization; he is a tireless and disciplined worker, an elite competitor and someone who treats his profession with the utmost focus, which in addition to his character, will all be integral to his continued improvement.”
I know what you’re thinking though. Well, is the deal good? Or bad?
I’d say pretty darn good. First of all, Serge Ibaka is locked up to a four-year extension. There’s nothing bad about that. But in terms of the other impacts it has, vis-a-vis James Harden, let’s see. What a lot were tossing around for Ibaka’s value, $12 million per year for a 22-year-old that happens to be the top shot blocker in basketball is excellent. Especially when a lot felt if he reached restricted free agency he’d be a maximum level player.
Consider some of the numbers that were tossed around this summer to players. Roy Hibbert and Brook Lopez got max deals. JaVale McGee signed for four years, $44 million. Kris Humphries got two years, $24 million. DeAndre Jordan signed last summer for four years, $43 million. Other top power forwards: LaMarcus Aldridge (five years, $65 million), Kevin Love (four years, $63 million), Blake Griffin (five years, $80 million), David Lee (six years, $80 million), Josh Smith (five years, $58 million), Chris Bosh (six years, $110 million).
In terms of market value, it seems to me that OKC came out looking pretty good on the numbers here.
Does it leave room for a Harden extension too? Sure does, but as we all knew, it’s going to be tight. And expensive. I wrote about the scenario at length here, and while it’s going to take some creative accounting and maybe even still an amnestying of Kendrick Perkins, the door is open.
Part of this could be determined by the structure of Ibaka’s deal, but just for our sake, let’s use $12 million per year. Next season, obviously the Thunder are fine. When it gets complicated is 2013-14, where with Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook and Serge Ibaka, OKC has about $46 million committed and $65 million overall. Assuming OKC can sign Harden for around a similar figure as to what Ibaka got, the Thunder would be over the luxury tax threshold, with still four roster spots needing filling.
What gets them under, just by a hair though? Amnestying Perk. So yeah, that options could still be on the table. As well as this one: The Thunder might just be fine paying the tax for a couple years. As I’ve said all along, it’s not as unreasonable as you might think. Yes, Perk has a lot more value right now because of Dwight Howard. But there’s a reason the Thunder have been stockpiling project bigs for the past few years (Cole Aldrich, Hasheem Thabeet, Daniel Orton, Latavious Williams, Tibor Pleiss). Hopefully one of them works out.
The tax situation is difficult to swallow, but not impossible. By all accounts within the organization, Harden is a player that is extremely valued, so you can be sure they are considering all options in order to retain him. Because of that, it was of my opinion that Harden would be the focus this offseason, so the fact that Ibaka was the first domino to fall is a good sign. If it were Harden’s extension today, I would be wondering if Ibaka’s days were numbered in OKC. But with Harden, I just have a hard time believing they’re going to let him get away.
Already people on Twitter are acting as if Sam Presti has made his decision and chose Ibaka over Harden. But that’s not the case at all. They’re still working on that extension too. It might not happen this summer. He might go to restricted free agency. Or he might take less to try his best to make this work out.
But if you think for one second that Sam Presti and his staff don’t have this thing completely mapped out The Wire-style with a big board with numbers and names all over it and don’t know exactly how Ibaka’s extension impacts keeping Harden, then you don’t know crap about Presti. They’re on this. It might be difficult and it might not work out, but they didn’t just throw their hands up and say “Ibaka it is!” and then delete Harden’s agent’s phone number from their contacts. This thing is ongoing. And it could happen sooner than later too.
What’s for sure is that the Thunder have a very good team in place for next season, and a core of Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka for the next five. With still the opportunity to add another key piece to that soon. Life’s good.




Westbrook and Harden are the ones who limit Ibaka offensively and defensively with their matador defense and their selfishness on offense.
What fans don't seem to get is that Ibaka face-block his opponents therefore guaranteeing rebounds for his teamates because it is nearly impossible to face-block someone and to be able to get rebounds after shots. If it wasn't the case, he would have more rebounds. Also, people seem to forget that he plays around 27minutes a game and his rebound per minute for a power forward would still rank near the top in the league. Ask Howard, Bynum and Love to face-block and we will see how many rebounds they will get. If fact they rarelly block while only chasing stats
@f5alcon has got to be infuriated with this deal. He thought we should aim for 4 years 26 million.
@FF_pickups @f5alcon 48MM is too much, but 26 million was unrealistic, I had hoped for 4/36, at most a deal that was equal to what mcgee got. However this means we almost certainly are willing to be a tax paying team, which is what I thought, and not that the ownership wouldnt pay.
@f5alcon
If you was hoping for 4/36 you were smoking some serious crack. 4/48 is not too much. It is a good deal as Ibaka would almost certainly have gotten at least 1 max offer next year.
I guess Maynor isn't going to be our back up. We are still gonna give 9 million to Perk each year for 3 more years
@Fiddle McFenegus
Actually if we resign Harden then Perkns will be have to be amnestied. Yea its also quite obvous we will not be able to keep Maynor either.
Almost all of our money has to go into Durant, Westbrook, and Ibaka, and Harden,and we will just have to surround them with very cheap players. Thats just the way it is. That is why PJ3, and Thabeet are good gambles four us.
So excited about this!!! I suspect the contract is structured so that there is more wiggle room in the first 2 years than the flat $12MM per would suggest... Again a similar structure with harden could give the thunder 3 more years below the cap and then maybe a year or two in the cap if success and economics warrants it.
Very exciting!!
@ThunderBelize Yes I would assume its something like 10.2-11.4-12.6-13.8
Serge will end up at the 5, with PJ3 or Lat Will at the 4 (fingers crossed on both of them staying healthy and developing). That doesn't sou nd great when playing against Howard or Chandler, but overall length and athleticism should defensive strength as a unit.
@Watson Scott Brooks will not do that, he's too stubborn
@thelaughingwiseman @Watson If he doesn't have Perk he would definitely do that. Why would you start PJ3 over Harden? Unless you want to give Collison the start
@Watson I would prefer Serge KD Sef Harden Russ. Sef was a monster in the playoffs, I would love to see him start at SF
@HookemKD @Watson If Sef's offensive game improves, even as just a spot up shooter, he will get that 3 spot over PJ3.
Interesting thought. Serge and Lat Will at the 5 and 4. Amnesty Perk, and sadly when Nick retires this to me anyway isn't crazytalk. But what if KD eventually plays more 4 via small ball and PJIII takes the 3. There's many building blocks with which Scott Brooks has at his disposal. How can you not love Sam Presti? On his wedding week-end he resigns Serge. I bet he resigns James during the honeymoon.
LET'S GO THUNDER!
@El Prez he may have a bit of show-off in him for it to "happen" this way
@El Prez
El Prez: here's a repost from OBoymuzik in last night's thread:
hey @ElPrez any explanation for this? https://twitter.com/mynameisJabee/status/236641661579567104/photo/1/large
No--neither. I'd like it to be consistent with my TSN theme as I hammer it home to several of our players this season. I thought Lt. Aldo Raine might get there attention.
@El Prez
The sign says The Lovestory Tour . . . figured you had some splainin' to do. New avatar? I can only hope it's Little Miss Sunshine-related. :) Or maybe Kramer?
I'm not sure what that's all about. Maybe that other El Prez rapper is a reader, liked my TSN stuff and wanted to follow in my footsteps as El Prez II Get this--when the cooler temps came on Tuseday--all the sudden the female turkeys returned. We had something like ten females and the four males. All hell broke loose--it wasn'r as funny as when they mate and all that, but it was very interesting to watch. At times, I feel like I'm Marlon Perkins out here in the wilderness amisdt all this flora and fauna. Teddy Rooosevelt would love our place. I'm changing my avatar pic as well. Hope you can find in this jungle of internet humanity.
Can we sign Harden to 5 million a year with a promise that he'll make up the rest in Footlocker commercials? I know I'd personally enjoy that.
@Arent Shhhh....u havent seen the foot locker commercial?
@Arent You can as long as you don't put it in writing like Minnesota did with Joe Smith
How can a dude who won Sixth Man of the Year and carried our bench throughout the year have taken a step backwards in way imaginable? Some people are just hilarious.
How is this in anyways a step backwards for James resigning? My guess is--verbally they've already reached a deal or at the least are very close with James. We're going to get what we wanted...both Serge and James. The rain is symbolic...jist like it rained on all those victory nights during the playoffs. We're getting drenched in Deer Creek.
@El Prez Even though it's a new team, "Thunder" may be one of the best names out there.
@duhsweetness Only problem was our bench wasnt that good
http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/08/saturday-morning-cartoons-serge-i-signed-a-four-year-deal-a/#respond
serge gets signed, and its raining like a MOFO in okc. hmmm coincidence?
@Legendary_Dork You've been..... THUNDERSTRUCK!
So Ibakas New york trip can stop being speculated. Hopefully Hakeem helped Ibaka become that scoring big man we need.
I'm glad we got Serge done first. I honestly thought there was about a 5% chance of him resigning. He never said he wanted to be a Thunder forever like Harden, and he also seemed slightly disgruntled with his offensive usage last year (one interview he mentioned he had been working on his post moves, then aggressively restated his stance that he didn't expect to use them, but they'll be there if need be).
Really happy about this.
@alvarex Yup, Serge never made any public statements about wanting to stay in OKC, so I thought it was really a toss up about whether we'd be able to keep him. It feels good to know that we got him for the next half decade.
@alvarex Yeah definitely very positive, didn't see him coming back. Although we didn't really get a discount at $12 mil/yr.
http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/08/saturday-morning-cartoons-serge-i-signed-a-four-year-deal-a/
Iam pretty sure Presti will do everything he can to keep the Beard. Its in his court now
So now we know how much Harden can be offered
@OkcBaby I think Beard will take $14 mil/year. Just to perserve pecking order among durant, russ, ibaka. I'm sure JH can make up difference in doing commercials, he's a natural
@neo12
No way we will be able to pay Harden anymore then the 4 year 48 million Ibaka got. If Harden wont take that we will just have totrade him before the deadline.
@OkcBaby a little bit yeah. i said it before even harden did that our team would make sacrifices and if NEED be take less money. getting serge at that price is what i predicted presti would do *depending on ibakas ego of course*
now i just hope we can resign maynor and our team will be looking good
Was surprised Serge got done first but after thinking about it I don't think this deal impacts Beard's one way or the other. And I also don't buy the Dwight Howard trade makes it certain Perk doesn't get amnestied.Be happy, don't over think it.
@SB718
Ther will be absolutely no choice. If we resign Harden then Perkins will have to be amnestied.
This is so obviously Presti's kneejerk reaction after reading Justin's and Jax's comments yesterday concerning OKC's offseason grade. :)
@ThunderChick2010 Not seeing red next to your name is going to throw me off haha
@dancassidy35/FreeFestusFromGSW!
It's just for today. (Reassure cleandoe in my absence.)
@ThunderChick2010 @dancassidy35/FreeFestusFromGSW! Thank you so much. I was actually really worried.
we can trade ibaka and park for Bynum it was good arel center and pj3 play to
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@MisterJohnsonOKC In no world do I trade Harden and Ibaka for Love
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@MisterJohnsonOKC @dancassidy35/FreeFestusFromGSW! You're not going to find another SG like Harden if you let Harden go.
I hate when people throw out the offensive numbers for Ibaka to say he doesn't have any skill there. He had what, 3 plays called for him each game? Most of his shots were bail-outs or on the offensive boards. Yes he gets lost defensively and offensively at times, and that's where he can improve.
If you love efficiency numbers how about last year Ibaka blocked 9.78% of the other teams field goal attempts. Thats the most in over 2 decades when Manute Bol blocked 10% of the other teams shots 3 straight years. And Ibaka isn't 7'7".
@alvarex His BLK% is very impressive. But that's pretty much all he improved upon from year two to three.
@justin_mia He shot 46% from 16-23 feet, and improved as an offensive rebounder.
@justin_mia @SB718
What do you expect from him. It is not like the offense is focused on him. He has assignments that he fulfills. He is open most of the times but Westbrook never gives him the ball and people expect him to score 20 a game out of 3 shot attempts. Where did Harden improve so much. He only has 2 skills: drive to the basket and shoot 3s. Can't defend anyone, can't defend the perimeters, can't shoot 2s, can't rebound, etc.There are more to find that is wrong about Harden and Westbrook than Ibaka
@SB718 I think you took that claim too literal. If you look hard enough yeah he made incremental improvements elsewhere but not where you would expect from a third year player like him.
@justin_mia First it was he hasn't improved other than blocks now the argument has shifted. I'm not here to debate Serge's worth today, simply responded to an inaccurrate post.
@SB718 For a third year player with his pedigree if those are the only spots you can say he really improved offensively, I'm not sure that's a great thing or not. Especially since he got worse at the rim, FT line...
@justin_mia What more would you like to see from Serge offensively? Post ups? They never give him a chance to go 1-on-1. Occasionally we see it and sometimes it looks pretty good with the running hook shots and fadeaway jumpers. I think he can improve in this area if given the chance. But with KD, Russ and sometimes James on the court at the same, it's hard for Serge to get his opportunities on offense.
@justin_mia I just can't foresee any circumstance where we let him walk. I just can't envision it. Losing James would piss off an entire fan base and OKC's ownership group to this point has been all about pleasing the fans. S*** would hit the fan if James were to leave. I just can't see it. I can't.
@Daniel Hawaii I'd rather have Serge too, just not at the expense of Harden.
@MisterJohnsonOKC Are you talking about Serge ... or Perk?
@justin_mia That's fair. But he's still only 22 and already such a force. And at this young age, there's no reason to think that he won't be able to improve in nearly every facet of his game.
Bottom line, I'd rather have Serge than not have Serge. And if you're worried about James, don't be. I can't see any way James gets away in restricted free agency. We drafted and developed him and he's very close with KD and Russ. He's already made it very well known he wants to stay. He's not going anywhere.
@Daniel Hawaii I'd like to see him finish more consistently and catch the ball. Set better screens. Go up strong more often. Not get lost. Learn how to pass at least somewhat capably. Really, I think he needs to improve more on defense than anything.