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Thunder have talked about moving up to get Bradley Beal

by Royce Young on June 27, 2012 at 4:47 pm 976 Comments

Are the Thunder looking at doing something massively drastic Thursday night? Something seemingly very un-Thunder?

Well, maybe. According to Bradley Beal.

The Florida sharpshooter told ESPN.com that the Thunder have told him they are exploring options to move up in the draft to get him.

Beal told ESPN.com Wednesday that Oklahoma City general manager Sam Presti told him during an interview in Chicago that he was interested in trying to move up to draft him. The Thunder’s first-round pick isn’t until No. 28.

“He told me he was going to decide what they’re going to do and considered getting up there,” Beal said.

It’s a hunch, but I’m thinking Beal isn’t going to fall to 28. If the Thunder are to land him, it would have to come via a fairly dramatic trade. One most likely involving James Harden. That scenario actually isn’t anything new, as a report from Jeff Goodman of CBSSports.com actually mentioned OKC dealing Harden to Charlotte for the No. 2 pick.

Obviously Beal has interest in playing for the Thunder, as he told ESPN.com.

“I’ve heard it a lot,” Beal said of the Thunder scenario. “It’s really interesting. I would love to play with Kevin Durant. (Russell) Westbrook, great point guard. Just the whole team. It’s young; I would love to play with a young team. They play fast. I’d love to get up and down, shoot the ball. Overall, whatever situation I land in I’ll be happy.”

So how serious is this? Consider this part from Andy Katz of ESPN.com:

Still, Presti has seriously considered finding a way to get to Beal. A number of sources said that Presti spent three days in Gainesville during the lockout watching the Gators practice, a fact that Beal confirmed Wednesday.

A source also said that Florida coach Billy Donovan met with Presti in Dallas when he took his two nephews to the Oklahoma City-Dallas first-round playoff series in May. Presti and Donovan have had multiple conversations on the phone about Beal, as well.

A source with direct knowledge of the situation said, “Oklahoma City exhausted every opportunity on campus to find out everything they could find out about Beal. They’ve done everything they can.”

My feeling? It’s all smoke and mirrors. That’s how most of this draft stuff works. And it’s just so hard for me to picture the Thunder moving Harden now, when they’re guaranteed another season with him already. This scenario seems a lot more plausible a year from now, if the Thunder feel there’s no way to keep the entire core together. But why make such a major move now, rather than wait until it’s actually necessary?

By moving up to grab Beal though, the Thunder could essentially solve a lot of those luxury tax questions and open the door to extending the life span of a young core a few years more. But that’s operating under the assumption that Beal is anything close to the player James Harden is, that he’ll fit in between Westbrook and Durant and that he can contribute early. Because the Thunder expect to contend again next season. Trading Harden would signal a step back, unless Beal is a super rookie.

Besides, I’m of the mind that if the Thunder choose between Ibaka and Harden, Ibaka will be the one to go, not Harden.

With Presti and the Thunder though, it’s hard to really ever put a finger on what they’re doing or thinking. Just when it’s all making sense, wham, they change directions. But this move is not one that I’d support and would signal the Thunder franchise isn’t as well equipped to handle a big time roster and maybe we’d hoped. It would essentially say that the luxury tax is a major deterrent for the Thunder and anything even sniffing it means a massive blow up. That’s not a good thing for an organization that wants to build a core that can grow together. It basically says, “Yep, we’re poor.”

But as is with the draft, there’s a lot of talk, a lot of chatter. Bradley Beal isn’t hurting his stock by saying the Thunder are interested. With so much respect for Presti’s drafting ability, just saying OKC is trying to get him might inspire another GM to grab him higher than otherwise thought.

Are the Thunder planning something major? I don’t know and I seriously doubt it, but Thursday night just got a little more interesting in Oklahoma City.

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Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

If no moves are made, Im warning up to Sullinger or Draymond if theyre there (probably have to move up for that), or Will Barton.  Im tired of this Eurostash philosophy.

Koka_Da_Bauce
Koka_Da_Bauce 5pts

 @Daniel Plainview More like: EUROTRASH philosophy

ChristopherPaulThompson
ChristopherPaulThompson 5pts

 @Koka_Da_Bauce  serge ibaka could be considered a eurostash player

MJOKC
MJOKC 5pts

http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/06/thursday-bolts-6-28-12/

MJOKC
MJOKC 5pts

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress Derrick Williams has been shopped to different NBA teams dating back to the trade deadline. Asking price way too high according to teams. Lol @ wolves over valuing their scrub lottery pick.

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

 @MisterJohnsonOKC  @DraftExpress Ive never liked him, I said hed be a bust.  Im sure hell be servieable some day, never dominant, never consistend, a couble of stat stuffing games here and tehre

MJOKC
MJOKC 5pts

Also, who says that OKC wouldn't look for FAs in the off season if we traded harden for beal?

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @MisterJohnsonOKC i think we all agree that we would be much more active in the FA market if we made the trade

MJOKC
MJOKC 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OBoymuzik Very true, however I think this harden stuff is just a smoke screen. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't do jack shit on draft night besides our 28 pick, lol.

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

 @justin_mia  @MisterJohnsonOKC  @OBoymuzik fair points

 

jreale05
jreale05 5pts

 @justin_mia  @MisterJohnsonOKC  @OBoymuzik exactly what I have been trying to say. 1 expert mentions harden and everyone freaks

MJOKC
MJOKC 5pts

 @justin_mia  @OBoymuzik Well either way, I don't believe OKC will be trading harden.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

 @MisterJohnsonOKC  @OBoymuzik What Harden stuff?  Nothing coming from the Thunder or even rumors coming from the Thunder has involved Harden.  All that's been reported is that the Thunder have interest in Bradley Beal, that Bradley Beal claims the Thunder told him they would like to trade up for him, and that Sam Presti scouted Beal personally.  James Harden being dangled is just idle speculation.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @MisterJohnsonOKC i won't be surprised either way...i do hope if we're going to stay at the end of the draft that we move maynor or cook and move up a few spots

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @OBoymuzik  @MisterJohnsonOKC we better be or you can expect a recession for this team next year

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @OBoymuzik  @MisterJohnsonOKC regression*

MJOKC
MJOKC 5pts

 @bmuelle21  @OBoymuzik True, we just need a big man that can score. He doesn't even have to be good at scoring, just average. Currently we have 4 big men in rotation that can't score at all. When Nick Collison is your best scoring big there's a problem, lol.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @MisterJohnsonOKC Who says we wouldn't if we didn't?

jreale05
jreale05 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Am I missing something, I dont think Presti ever said anything about trading Harden. Yes it s a possibility, but maybe he is trying to shop Ibaka, Maynor or Reggie and who knows maybe even Perk. Let's not get our panties in a wad over this. Presti knows what he is doing.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @jreale05 it would probably take Ibaka+2 1st round picks for us to get to #2

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

 @OBoymuzik  @jreale05 But they just drafted Ibaka last year,

jreale05
jreale05 5pts

 @OBoymuzik I agree. But maybe thats good for us. Those picks wont be worth much anyways, and we wont need them. I am hoping this is what Presti is thinking as well.

Bryson
Bryson 5pts

If we really want to move this team forward we really do need to look to move up tonight. Maybe only a couple spots. I really like the idea of Perry Jones III and LOVE the idea of Royce White...lets make it happen.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

spurs are shopping Dejuan blair

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

If we landed teh Two and Cleaveland wanted Beal, Id flip the 2 for the 4 and 24m and eitehr use the 24 and 28 on Eitehr Sullinger or Green but grab a Sg up tehre liek Will BArton, John Jenkins, or move teh 24 and 28 if we could land Terrance Ross

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Daniel Plainview who would you grab at the 4? Robinson? if so that seems like it would be better if we deal Ibaka

okcjim
okcjim 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Come on Bolts!  Let's go

Jax Raging Bile Duct
Jax Raging Bile Duct 5pts

 @okcjim FIRE ROYCE!

DXL
DXL 5pts

Take Doron Lamb. He's the best perimeter shooter in the draft (48% from 3-point range for his college career). He can handle the ball (low turnover ratio), and is a capable defender. No all-star upside, but is the definition of a useful role player. What's not to like?

 

No more shots for Dae Cook.

Keith00
Keith00 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @DXL That makes a lot of good sense. If we are staying at 28, Lamb or Taylor are very solid options as future Cook/Thabo replacements.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @DXL booooooo the last sentence 

Lambchop
Lambchop 5pts

 @OBoymuzik  @DXL Id Take Doron Lamb if we landed a high second rounder, or John Jenkins

DXL
DXL 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OBoymuzik Let's admit the plain facts. D Cook just isn't a very good 3-point shooter. Last season he was 35% from 3-point range in the regular season, 33% in the postseason. Those numbers are in line with his career averages.

 

Good defender, nice guy, but a mediocre long-range shooter. He can't be allowed to take another important shot for the Thunder.

DXL
DXL 5pts

 @OBoymuzik One good game is not enough. Every shot in the post season is important. For his career Cook has taken 100 3-point shots in the post season. He's made 33 of those shots. That's mediocre performance on the big stage. 

OBoy
OBoy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @DXL if he wasn't allowed to take important shots we would have lost in game 7 of the WCF...cause we wouldn't have won game 5

jreale05
jreale05 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I dont think this trade is as stupid as people think. Think about it, we clear a TON of our cap space, pick up a fantastic shooter and have the possibility of adding some realy good players this offseason - Ray Allen, Andre Miller or maybe a solid center. I will trade one great player for 3 good ones. Thats just my honest opinion. I would hate to see Harden go, but is he really a max contract player?

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @jreale05 

Have you noticed that half of the avatar's on here are James Harden?  The other half want to have his baby.  They have an unrealistic obsession with him that borderlines on psychotic.

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @jreale05 I criticized harden during the finals for disappearing but it is a huge risk trading him basically straight up for another SG that isn't as good as harden a may never be...we were 3 wins away from winning the championship last year...I don't understand the pick if we are just trading straight up for another SG

 

with that being said if we must trade harden i'd look for a superstar big man since those seem to be harder to find and develop then SG's

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @jreale05  @FF_pickups i'm pretty sure they end up drafting robinson anyways if they don't end up trading the pick

jreale05
jreale05 5pts

 @bmuelle21  @FF_pickups agreed

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @jreale05  @FF_pickups i think ibaka and something else works better for charlotte anyways since the did just sign ben gordon

jreale05
jreale05 5pts

 @bmuelle21  @FF_pickups no probably not, but if we threw in some picks or maybe maynor/reggie who knows. our future picks arent worth much so it would be nice to dump some and get something nice

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @jreale05  @FF_pickups If we trade Ibaka i could see MKG or Robinson. but i don't see charlotte doing a trade straight up for ibaka

jreale05
jreale05 5pts

 @bmuelle21  @FF_pickups If we trade Ibaka, it would probably be for MKG, which would move KD to the 4. That would be awesome.

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @jreale05  @FF_pickups ibaka for beal isn't going to work, then we have 3-4 sg's and a huge hole to fill for our frontcourt?

jreale05
jreale05 5pts

 @bmuelle21  @FF_pickups Did you read my post? I said its not just harden for beal. Its more than that. Open room for a big name, cap space.

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

it must just be me but i rather role with harden and know that we have a very legit shot to win the championship next year and then worry about what to do with harden or ibaka at the end of the year then risk trading harden for a rookie who may or may not get back to the level of where harden is at.  @FF_pickups

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @bmuelle21  

It's also a huge risk signing him and Ibaka to huge contracts and not being able to sustainably fill out a roster with decent parts.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

You save about $1.2 mil this season, as the No. 2 pick will sign for about $4.6 million. That $1.2 million in savings still has the team about $3 million over the cap, meaning all the signing options this off-season are unchanged in how the team can acquire them. There's nothing preventing the team as it is currently constructed from going after free agents this year.

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Jooseppi 

Unchanged?  lol, yes in your make believe land of free agents wanting 1 year contracts, the landscape is completely unchanged.

MJOKC
MJOKC 5pts

 @justin_mia  @FF_pickups  @Jooseppi OKC has a knack for making horrible / average players look like prime MJ ( Battier, Jackson / Young / Carter, etc.

[censored]
[censored] 5pts

 @FF_pickups  @Jooseppi Battier was terrible almost all season and playoffs.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @FF_pickups How is this make believe? It's how the CBA works..... 

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @FF_pickups I forgot the biannual exception for both of those, by the way, but it;s available under both scenarios.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @FF_pickups The team can offer the MLE + minimum contracts with Harden on the team.

With the No. 2 pick on the team and Harden gone, the team can offer the MLE + minimum contracts.....

FF_pickups
FF_pickups 5pts

 @Jooseppi Yeah, in your make believe land, it changes nothing.  Now let me ask you why we didn't sign Battier last year?  I'll give you a hint, it has nothing to do with your make believe land.

Jooseppi
Jooseppi 5pts

 @FF_pickups The options in how they can acquire them are unchanged. The MLE + minimum contracts....

ElMexiThunder
ElMexiThunder 5pts

@Jooseppi ^

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @jreale05 If he's not really a max contract player, he won't get the max. If he IS a max contract player, he will be worth keeping.

OBoy
OBoy 5pts

 @Keith00 lol "if he's not really a max player, he won't get the max" 

 

if this was true the NBA would be a much better place, if he really wants the max someone will give it to him in the open market

Keith00
Keith00 5pts

 @OBoymuzik Except RFA is not an open market. Any team really willing to pay him the max must know he will have the contract matched. So really, a team paying him the max would also have to be willing to trade something of good value in a sign and trade. That's a lot to overpay if James isn't a max player.

 

Keep in mind that Presti is not every other dumb GM out there. Russ got the max deservedly, and was never going to get the designated player option - deservedly. Presti doesn't overreact, and he doesn't make crippling mistakes.

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @jreale05 where is everyone getting max contract player from? the "speculation" that his agent is asking for max? we haven't even really started negotiating with him.

 

its not a stupid decision IF we were to get a ray all or andre miller or IF Beal does transition well to the NBA but that's a lot of IF's. Beal struggled from his transition from high school to college and honestly was pretty average the first two thirds of the year. Say what you want about him having to play out of position but he still struggled shooting. Beal also doesn't have the driving capabilities as Harden does or the decision making that harden does which isn't something thats easy to teach.

jreale05
jreale05 5pts

 @bmuelle21 I agree with you. I'm just saying, people are overreacting a bit. Who know's what Presti has in mind, he may be going after another superstar for all we know and is just clearing cap room. We will see what happens. As for Beal, almost every player struggles with that conversion, they are what, like 18? haha. Im sure Harden had his times too. Not saying Beal will be better, just saying we need more scoring depth and a center, Perkins lack of an inside scoring presence really hurts.

bmuelle22
bmuelle22 5pts

 @jreale05 If we were to trade harden for anything I would hope it would be to get a better big man because trading him for a worse wing player straight up is just dumb. Who knows how well he progresses. 

 

I was more trying to say that the whole conversion process is going to really hurt us next year. Expecting a rookie to contribute a ton in the regular season, and especially the post season most of the time isn't going to turn out good. 

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