Thunder unveil alternate, to wear it Friday against Detroit

Via @okcthunder

You’ve already kind of seen it, but the Thunder’s alternate uniform is officially here. And the best part about it is that the name is spelled right.

The first time you get to see it in action if this Friday in Oklahoma City against the Detroit Pistons. That’s right, the Thunder aren’t going to be one of Those Teams, wearing a dark alternate at home. OKC will also wearing it New Year’s Eve against the Suns. Per NBA rules, teams can only wear a dark colored alternate twice at home and 10 times on the road.

The Thunder are scheduled to wear the alternates for the these road games this season: Brooklyn (Dec. 4); Minnesota (Dec. 20); Washington (Jan. 7); Dallas (Jan. 18); Lakers (Jan. 27); Utah (Feb. 12); Denver (March 1); San Antonio (March 11); Indiana (April 5); and Golden State (April 11).

OK, so about the actual jerseys:

Like I said before, I’m a big fan of the idea. They have a real throwback look to them (a la the Cincinnati Royals), but the color scheme is just weird. Navy and white is cool, if that looked anything at all like the Thunder’s regular… anything.

All these uniforms needed was a hit of yellow/orange/Oklahoma blue somewhere in them. What if on the vertical lines where “Thunder” is, those were three lines each yellow, orange and sky blue? Or just make the number a different color. (I’m picturing the Trail Blazers’ uniform.)

Overall, they aren’t completely horrible. They’re just a missed opportunity. Why not go with “OKC”? Why only the two colors? Why navy and white? A lot of teams kind of begin a slow transition into new team colors and branding by doing it through an alternate, so I wonder if that’s what the Thunder are doing. Somewhere down the line in a few years maybe they want to move to a two color scheme.

Like I said, the vertical look is classic, which is pretty cool. This is the closest the Thunder can come to ever wearing throwbacks because there’s no way they’re rocking Sonics jerseys out there. So instead, they just create their own throwbacks new.

I think the appropriate response to the new alternates is, “Meh.” Although, Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook tend to make any uniform they’re wearing look pretty cool.

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2012-11-08 10:51:23
I like them, I think they look hip.
2012-11-08 10:54:13
Jeethus Christh, these uniformsth are fabulousssss
2012-11-08 10:55:52
Really show off Ibaka's muscle tone. Serge designed it, I know it.
Lambchop's Play-Along
2012-11-08 10:55:52
2012-11-08 10:57:19
I just finised the New Yor Times Magazine piece... Wow! Great writing! I love how to weaves together the story of the Thunder and OKC... but it's funny that I think Coyne nails what it's all about... that collective spirit that exists when everyone comes together for the same thing. That's what makes watching sporting events live amazing.
2012-11-08 10:57:25
@Lambchop's Play-Along I think they were going for Miami's all black jerseys look. I think they are OK. Certainly much better than our regular white jerseys which look awful. Finally we get some diff ones.
Fuzzy Logic
2012-11-08 10:57:54
I would like to see these with the colors reversed... maybe that would work a bit better for me.
2012-11-08 10:59:25
Is it just me, or is KD doing the slutty model look with the thumb and look in his eyes?   I gotta say, it isn't doing anything for me...
2012-11-08 10:59:54
Just to be clear: I don't purposely post things that have already been posted...I'm just too excited thinking I have "breaking news" that I don't read everything before I post...which is why i'm the leader in the infamous Sullinger award. lol
2012-11-08 11:01:25
Why does it have a freakin 5 inch waistband? Thats all I want to know.   Did someone want to rock a white belt a la pga tour?  Was it designed to cover up any flab around the midsection on Nazr?  I'm just so confused.
2012-11-08 11:01:34
@ocsooner No, that's the "I'm gonna drop 40 on you" face.
2012-11-08 11:01:59
I do like that it says OKC rather than Oklahoma City.
2012-11-08 11:02:28
@D-MC  @ocsooner Drop 40 on Kate Upton?
2012-11-08 11:04:39
@HerseyHawkins  @ocsooner 40 G's? That's Harden's job.
2012-11-08 11:05:03
@D-MC  @ocsooner LOL
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-11-08 11:08:19
Royce opened the DT black hole by posting this in the bolts and in a new article. So NOW if you post about the topic in the first article, you can't post the same thing in the new article, even though the new article is dedicated to the subject.   Double posts bring about double likes. They also incur the wrath of the dreaded Sullinger. Sometimes I think Royce does the things he does just to test us. Oh good Royce, his ways are not our ways, and he works in mysterious ways.
2012-11-08 11:10:15
If only Nazr was still here so we could see the No. 8 protrude ever so noticeably. And at the risk of Sullinger / Salinger, Mehmet Okur retired.
2012-11-08 11:10:37
@Jax Raging Bile Duct Has anyone Sullinger'd theirselves yet?
2012-11-08 11:12:21
@Jax Raging Bile Duct  " . . . As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."  Isaiah 55:8-9
2012-11-08 11:13:15
@bmuelle21  Premature posting . . . I think they make a pill for that.
2012-11-08 11:15:20
@ocsooner what about this?
2012-11-08 11:15:50
@Jooseppi  New DT acronym: ATRS?
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-11-08 11:16:29
@Jooseppi Mehmet Okur retired?   Dang. I always kinda hoped to sign that dude on the downside of his career. Too late I guess.
2012-11-08 11:16:58
@Jooseppi  OMG!  That would be awesome BTW . . . TBH . . . IMHO. (FWIW)
2012-11-08 11:16:59
The shorts are WAY too long for this uniform. Should be about half the length....
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-11-08 11:17:03
@D-MC Not that I'm aware of. But there are literally thousands of comments that I just flat out skip, so I'm not the one to ask.
2012-11-08 11:17:51
@ou_sas The tramp stamp says Oklahoma City instead of Thunder this time.
2012-11-08 11:18:07
@bmuelle21  I saw that!  It was a good joke.  And then it disappeared on me...
2012-11-08 11:18:27
@ou_sas It looks like it's written in some sort of script or cursive. It looks weird to me...
Barry Amenema
2012-11-08 11:18:36
@TreyFiveOnMyBack but they'll look fine with knee socks and a sports jacket
2012-11-08 11:18:56
@Barry Amenema  @TreyFiveOnMyBack I would totally buy that sports jacket.
El Prez
2012-11-08 11:19:11
Since I posted on James' sexual antics on Bolts -- I should be clear to go this topic. These unis suck. They look like something the East German national team would wear before the fall of the Berlin Wall. Quite frankly---this whole season to date has been a downgrade. The ThunderGirls aren't what they were without Riane, Ashley or Kayley. This new sideline reporter doesn't do it for me like Kelly Krull did...and now these unis. I don't know who specifically is making these decisions, but from perspective only...all three areas have been a downgrade.
2012-11-08 11:19:46
@Landstander  @bmuelle21  I decided best not to put a Bible quote and a thinly veiled sexual reference so close to one another.  :)
2012-11-08 11:19:53
@TreyFiveOnMyBack You want them out in booty shorts?
2012-11-08 11:20:08
@El Prez Monotone Crull never did it for me, personally.
2012-11-08 11:20:13
I'm sorry, I like Harden and all, and I guess i wish him the best...but every time he has a bad game it makes it that much easier that we got rid of him...of course the opposite is true when he has a good game, lol
Eggs Benedict
2012-11-08 11:20:46
Part of me was kinda hoping the typo that was on the video game screenshot had somehow gone unnoticed and was on the jerseys.  OKC Thudner!!!  Thudnerup?
2012-11-08 11:20:54
@bmuelle21 So far he's been the same way he was here, just with more shots. Has good games, but when he faces a good defender gets shuts down.
2012-11-08 11:21:09
@EternalThunder  @TreyFiveOnMyBack TC does lol    and i just thought of perkins in those...
Barry Amenema
2012-11-08 11:22:09
@bmuelle21  @EternalThunder  @TreyFiveOnMyBack somebody poke my mind's eye out
2012-11-08 11:23:26
Nerd topic of the day. The new Grand Theft Auto appears to have three protagonists.
El Prez
2012-11-08 11:23:38
She's  a little thin, but I loved her legs and flowing hair. The nose is a big deal with me with women---but I don't want to be insensitive on the Daily Thunder. Heather Cox would have been the splash hire. Perfect legs---flowing hair. Serviceable nose.
2012-11-08 11:24:09
@D-MC interesting, wonder how many missions, last few have had around 75 but modern open world games run about 30
2012-11-08 11:24:43
@f5alcon Not sure quite yet. They just released the new GameInformer cover, and all the info will be enclosed in the magazine.
Barry Amenema
2012-11-08 11:25:27
@El Prez ...and somebody just opened a new twitter account, "ElPrez'sNoseFettish."
Barry Amenema
2012-11-08 11:28:39
@Jax Raging Bile Duct Bolts?!?  That's SO five minutes ago.
2012-11-08 11:29:03
@D-MC  @f5alcon I wonder if anyone else is like me when it comes to the GTA series. I never finish the game, at most I get about halfway through and spend most of my time having shootouts with police and jacking people.
2012-11-08 11:29:26
@El Prez  If these are the only downgrades you still have left to complain about at the end of the day/season, I'd say we're in good shape.  :)
2012-11-08 11:30:34
@bmuelle21 Martin's play has been helping me get over it... My biggest fear was that he'd struggle badly here, but he already seems to be fitting in nicely.
2012-11-08 11:30:49
I like the two-tone.  Always has a classic feel.  Otherwise, meh.
2012-11-08 11:31:55
@EternalThunder  @f5alcon I only screw around with cheat codes. Nothing like an awesome rocket launcher to terrorize everyone.
2012-11-08 11:32:13
Since people mostly buy jersey's and not the shorts, I would have like to see Okc somewhere on the jersey too.
2012-11-08 11:33:20
@EternalThunder yep, with white socks with orange, yellow, and thunder blue stripes on them, along with navy blue high top chuck taylor's.
2012-11-08 11:35:35
@TreyFiveOnMyBack  @bmuelle21 You thought a guy that scores as easily as Martin does as a primary option would struggle with KD and RW on the floor?
2012-11-08 11:38:16
@EternalThunder  @D-MC  @f5alcon Yeah, I stopped buying them after San Andreas because I only played for like a month and lost interest. I'm not sure how many there's been since then..
2012-11-08 11:40:09
@EternalThunder  @bmuelle21 In a bench role, I had no idea how he'd do. Plus, Russ isn't exactly the best at setting up his teammates. But yes, Martin is definitely benefiting from the attention KD draws. I mostly meant his shooting %'s.
2012-11-08 11:40:45
@TreyFiveOnMyBack  @EternalThunder  @D-MC  @f5alcon just gta IV and the extra dlc right?
2012-11-08 11:41:42
@bmuelle21  @TreyFiveOnMyBack  @EternalThunder  @f5alcon I believe so. I never played the DLC.
2012-11-08 11:42:32
@D-MC i remember getting gta III in third grade and I thought I was the shit because I was able to talk my parents, (actually just my dad lol) into buying it for me and no one else had it or could get it lol
Barry Amenema
2012-11-08 11:42:38
Again, fine article from Same Anderson in the NYT Magazine...people, seriously, READ it:;_r=0&amp;ref=magazine   That James Harden epilogue drops like meteor falling from the sky.  The article builds up so much momentum, and then the brick wall of "And now it's time to talk about James Harden's beard."    If this article would have been published a week ago, maybe even a soon as last weekend, I think it would have achieved a lot more of it's intended the end of the Coen's "No Country for Old Men."  But the recent Beard articles, not to mention the play of Martin and even Thabeet, have softened the blow.
2012-11-08 11:43:14
@bmuelle21  @EternalThunder  @D-MC  @f5alcon Oh, wow. I thought there were several. Well it's a good sign that they aren't pumping them out so quickly. I'll probably try to play it, but not sure about buying it. What always drove me nuts is that they touted it as being open world, but I really think more buildings should be accessible. That's why I love games like Borderlands and Fallout. They are truly open world games.
2012-11-08 11:43:35
@D-MC  @TreyFiveOnMyBack  @EternalThunder  @f5alcon me either...the game was pretty cool except the different "choices" you could make about how you go about missions didn't effect the game enough for them to actually be meaningful...I'm assuming that will change this game.
2012-11-08 11:44:06
@bmuelle21  @D-MC I loved the above view GTA 1 and 2. I had them on PS1.
2012-11-08 11:44:45
@TreyFiveOnMyBack  @EternalThunder  @D-MC  @f5alcon I just know that when gta IV came out it set the record for biggest release or something like that...obviously with cod and other games that was broken quickly
2012-11-08 11:45:19
@TreyFiveOnMyBack  @D-MC never played them, but seeing how the game has evolved is kinda crazy...makes me feel old lol
2012-11-08 11:46:00
That is the lamest design I've ever seen in sports apparel.
2012-11-08 11:46:01
@bmuelle21  @TreyFiveOnMyBack I'll have to get back into Skyrim with the new DLC coming out in December.
2012-11-08 11:47:19
@D-MC  @bmuelle21 yeah, i'm playing Borderlands 2 while waiting for that.
2012-11-08 11:47:53
@TreyFiveOnMyBack  @bmuelle21 Still haven't played a Borderlands, but I don't play online much. Is it worth it offline?
2012-11-08 11:48:26
I really have no idea how anyone could honestly think these are cool/good/ far the worst unis I have ever seen. You have an opportunity with a fresh young new team/organization to present something very marketable and this is what they come up with? I don't get it at all...
2012-11-08 11:53:44
@D-MC  @bmuelle21 yeah, the story is cool. I didn't play part 1 online at all. Every now and then my friend will jump in on my campaign, but thats about it...
2012-11-08 11:54:42
@D-MC  @bmuelle21 it's similar to skyrim in the fact that you're always finding extra missions, gathering, and upgrading weapons. except upgrading weapons is borderlands' bread and butter.
9th Wonderous
2012-11-08 12:00:27
Ugly uniforms....
2012-11-08 12:01:09
@Barry Amenema "Russel Westbrook, 23. Growing up in Los Angeles, he says, he didn’t even know Oklahoma existed." really Russel.....really?
2012-11-08 12:03:12
@D-MC  @EternalThunder  @f5alcon  I hear you on the cheat codes.
2012-11-08 12:04:27
KD's facial expression says it all......  Lol.
2012-11-08 12:12:17
@BallSoHard Drama queen.
Lost Ones
2012-11-08 12:12:35
I actually like them
Lost Ones
2012-11-08 12:12:53
much better then the ACTUAL uniforms we have which is hedious
2012-11-08 12:13:18
@Lost Ones It's much cooler to bitch and moan about them.
2012-11-08 12:18:34
I think these are fine, but it's easy to top the bastardized knicks uniforms they currently wear. NBA needs to get a little more experimental with color schemes.
2012-11-08 12:20:49
@BallSoHard In basic training, I had to convince a kid from New Jersey that we didn't ride horses and Indians no longer lived in tepees.
2012-11-08 12:20:54
Actually, what I'd love to see is an emerald green with a gold arch across the chest, with maybe a city skyline, and- oh wait......
2012-11-08 12:23:00
@Crow These were worse:
2012-11-08 12:23:26
@MartzMimic You must have been in the Army
2012-11-08 12:29:52
@MartzMimic  @BallSoHard A long time ago when my cousins were coming to visit us from Florida, they thought we lived in tents like MASH since we were in the wild west and lived on an air force base.
2012-11-08 12:30:25
@Skyline I guess I'm kinda the opposite. I'll buy the shorts, but not the jersey.
2012-11-08 12:32:11
IMHO, it really doesn't matter what their uniforms look like or even their team name.  Who they represent matter waaaay more than what they wear.  Remember when people said they were a WNBA franchise because of the name.  You think those people are saying that anymore?    Nope.
2012-11-08 12:35:24
I just wanna see OKC really big on the front of a jersey. Make it so!
2012-11-08 12:37:20
@Tronchaser At least someone gets it.
No beard no fear
2012-11-08 12:37:40
I think OKC have been thinking about this
2012-11-08 12:46:46
@No beard no fear God I hope this doesn't happen
2012-11-08 12:46:52
I just destroyed some baked ziti with chicken.
2012-11-08 12:49:12
Quick DT Poll: Like this comment if your reaction to the new uniforms falls in the range of disappointing to hideous.
2012-11-08 12:49:21
Those are crazy, pretty ugly; but I would not say they are "lamer".
2012-11-08 12:49:38
Quick DT Poll: Like this comment if your reaction to the new uniforms falls in the range of so-so/fine to don't care.
2012-11-08 12:50:02
@ThunderChick2010 If this comment doesn't triple your likes something's up.
2012-11-08 12:50:07
Quick DT Poll: Like this comment if your reaction to the new uniforms falls in the range of cool to LOVE 'EM!
2012-11-08 12:50:31
Really don't know why cleandoe accuses me of "like-whoring" . . .
2012-11-08 12:51:00
It is pretty amazing how much "common knowledge" many or even most people do not have.
2012-11-08 12:52:18
@ThunderChick2010 /ignore!
2012-11-08 12:52:26
Like this comment if you like the thunder.
2012-11-08 12:53:30
@ThunderChick2010 It's just a uniform.... It's not like it's going to help us win a championship....     right?
2012-11-08 12:53:39
@Tronchaser While I agree with this sentiment from a practical standpoint, I think the Thunder are in a unique situation where things like appearance and marketing matter a lot. The stolen history, the fact that their uniforms are a dollar store rip-off of the Knicks colors, the fact that they traded away their most colorful and marketable just screams "WE HAVE NO IDENTITY". It all kind of leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I mean, who the fuck ARE these guys? You'd think a new organization would put more effort into creating a fresh start and identity for a team that is the product of an incredibly messy break-up.
2012-11-08 12:55:28
@EatSleepThunder HOW did you get 10000+ so fast? You aren't that clever....         jk jk LOL
2012-11-08 12:56:38
@novelisticbee0  @EatSleepThunder He's dating Hasheem Thabeet, duh.
2012-11-08 12:57:28
As long as this team is winning, idgaf about the jerseys. Lol They're OK though. Nothing to write home about.
2012-11-08 12:57:31
@D-MC  @novelisticbee0 *sigh* I knew I'd be found out one day...
2012-11-08 12:58:12
Like this comment if you think TC is liking every comment just to tempt you to like here comments
2012-11-08 12:58:27
Like this comment if you think TC is liking every comment just to tempt you to like her comments
2012-11-08 12:59:06
Im a little sad now... This uni would have brought out the beautiful eyes Cole has..
2012-11-08 13:00:01
@Hounddog It'll bring out Hasheem's eyes better
2012-11-08 13:01:28
We have more good players than spots. What's the most obvious place that's the most realistic upgrade for this season? Perk and sef and the most obvious but I don't think Presti or Brooks would touch those guys. Is there any possible way presti would deal Perk and youth/picks for an upgrade at center?
2012-11-08 13:02:30
@EatSleepThunder  I'm afraid it will bring out that yellow thing on his head more..
2012-11-08 13:03:10
@TheRyan I'll go ahead and toss my teams identity with a guy named Kevin Durant..  Ultimate teammate and hardcore competitor, and awesome representative of our city and state.
2012-11-08 13:03:41
honestly, i like them :D  .
thunder fan in korea
2012-11-08 13:04:13
should have let westbrook design the jerseys, would have kept things interesting at least
2012-11-08 13:08:23
Stop hatin on these unis. I dig the simple two tone old school look. They are 10000% better than our current road jerseys.
2012-11-08 13:08:36
@okcjim It's all about who would be coming back, right? Presti is very particular.  The interesting thing for me is how many big men have been available over the last 3 years or so and how Presti has passed on them.   When you look at the usage of Westbrook and Durant it's not too difficult to speculate that Sefolosha and Perkins are exactly who Presti wants alongside them. Upgrade the position and those players want more shots. Instead I expect Presti to keep playing with the bench pieces.   I would be surprised if Presti didn't give the team 20 - 30 games to re-gel and then evaluate.   What might happen in those 20 games though is some shuffling on the bench. Maynor seems a bit vulnerable.
2012-11-08 13:10:21
@DizzDai They're going to take some getting use to. I am an advocate for simple, but these aren't quite right and we all know it.
2012-11-08 13:10:29
dear  @ThunderChick2010  please hold of on all da likes plox!~  you have way to many and some of us will never catch up to you :P   "a concerned citizen*
action jack$on
2012-11-08 13:11:53
@thunder fan in korea If westbrook got to play in a uniform he designed, for some reason i think that he would never pass.
2012-11-08 13:12:25
@DizzDai I actually like the road jerseys more so than the home.  Seems everyone buys the blue jerseys, but not the white ones so much.  I'll pay more attention the next game I go to.
2012-11-08 13:14:40
@Tronchaser I think other markets are more familar with the road jersey. At least that is my theory. Plus the media seem to use the road jerseys too. I prefer the home jerseys myself.
2012-11-08 13:15:27
I want the Shorts!  care less for the jersey
2012-11-08 13:16:00
@rednuht I wouldn't change em. I'm just curious what color shoes they'll wear with them.
2012-11-08 13:16:45
@Lafowler255 Same.
2012-11-08 13:16:47
@thunder fan in korea  Everyone would have to wear Kareem goggles with  no lens in them.
2012-11-08 13:16:55
@Legendary_Dork  @ThunderChick2010 If you can't run with the big dogs...
2012-11-08 13:18:26
@ThunderChick2010 /liked all 3 to throw a wrench in TC's plans.
2012-11-08 13:19:15
@ThunderChick2010 because it's true?   /stirringuptrouble
2012-11-08 13:19:16
@ou_sas  @ThunderChick2010 i dont whore myself out :P lol
2012-11-08 13:19:50
@ou_sas  @ThunderChick2010 ....for very much money &gt;:D
2012-11-08 13:21:57
@Hounddog  @EatSleepThunder What is up with that? birthmark?
2012-11-08 13:22:51
Thunder win 60% of the time when KD gets 5+ assists over his career. He averages 50% FG% and 28 pts in those games. His average A/TO in those games is 1.67. His A/TO this season is 1.15 so he is not as good right now on this as his average in high assist games. His overall career average A/TO  is 0.90, so he is a bit better than that.
2012-11-08 13:23:58
@ou_sas    You have a job to do sir!   #placeinacknowledgements
2012-11-08 13:26:23
@Crow his TOV and TOV% are worst of his career though.
2012-11-08 13:27:05
KD also has his lowest shooting and scoring efficiencies so far  since his rookie year. Career bests in rebs, asts, steals. But his overall offensive rating of 101 (largely because of the career worst turnovers by far)  is just one point worse than his rookie season, worse than Russ' current rating and only 2pts better than Russ' rookie season worst.
2012-11-08 13:27:53
@rednuht good point but would they be more willing to share the ball if they had a center that could catch and finish? It might open things up that much more for them. Also do you build your roster with the weaknesses of your stiffest competition in mind or with your team philosophy (defense) in mind? Perk doesn't do anything for us against the Heat and doesn't do a ton for us against the Spurs. Any center with a little skill can abuse Miami though.
2012-11-08 13:28:36
@Crow Deng is probably not going to help the stats either tonight
2012-11-08 13:28:40
@f5alcon yes, 4th worst in league on TO/game. 20th worst on TO%.
2012-11-08 13:29:22
@Crow The eye test confirms those numbers. Neither Durant nor Westbrook has been very sharp, but we've seen them both start seasons slowly.
2012-11-08 13:32:21
@Tronchaser Well, I can't argue with that. I'm still crushed by the Harden trade, but maybe, MAYBE....the franchise will simply be known for greatness. No flash or gimmicks, just excellent teams with titles and class.
2012-11-08 13:32:37
@rednuht  westbrook will tear hinrich apart, no way he is fast enough laterally to stay in front of him.
2012-11-08 13:33:34
Just got league pass and I'm trying to figure out the online options. Can you rewatch games online? Can you get it on your iPhone/iPad? Thanks
2012-11-08 13:37:18
Hey @senseandsenescence , a friend of mine asked me does how trades with draft picks work? How about trading a player solely for a draft pick? I saw CBA FAQ #84, but still not 100% on it.
Barry Amenema
2012-11-08 13:38:38
@delolama  @Hounddog  @EatSleepThunder he fell asleep chewing gum...tried to get it out with Hydrogen Peroxide
2012-11-08 13:40:37
@ou_sas  pick value is $0 so it is fine under the cap, over the cap should follow the other over the cap rules, but i am not 100% sure, wait for his answer.
2012-11-08 13:40:52
@TheRyan Exactly, my new friend. You're gettin' it!
2012-11-08 13:41:04
@TheRyan ...and welcome to DT!
Barry Amenema
2012-11-08 13:44:06
@novelisticbee0 boy is my face red...I was just in the middle of writing a long letter to my parents describing the alternate unis...
2012-11-08 13:49:57
No team in the league gets less points from the center position so far this season. 29th on rebounds.   At PF it is 24th on points and 26th on rebounds.   You can see more with the tool here
2012-11-08 13:50:39   Good break down by Matt Moore and Zach Harper of Russ v. the Bulls D.
2012-11-08 13:51:44
@f5alcon Right, it's just hard finding out about over the cap moves to create trade exceptions in Coon's FAQ.
2012-11-08 13:54:34
@Crow I really think the future push will be for an offensive center. With Hash's early emergence...the need for Perk dwindles. Hash still has a ways to go before I back this fully...
2012-11-08 13:55:11
@ou_sas My two favorite tweeters
Take Heart
2012-11-08 13:56:16
@blueRAP  @No beard no fear  Maybe if we do this we can afford to keep Harden
2012-11-08 13:56:19
@Barry Amenema
2012-11-08 13:56:55
@ou_sas  @f5alcon Not a full answer (I don't think) but what I have:   If you are over the cap, I'd think you can't trade for a guy with a pick unless you have a trade exception.   Teams under the salary cap may make trades as they please, as long as they don't finish more than $100,000 above the salary cap following any trade.
2012-11-08 13:57:36
@Crow What are you suggesting?
2012-11-08 13:57:54
@rednuht Team stats are looking ok in general.
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-11-08 13:58:39
Hasheem had something like his 2nd game with double digit points in his entire career against a hapless Toronto team and you'd think from this board that he's about to win MVP.   The optimism is blinding.
2012-11-08 14:00:43
@Jax Raging Bile Duct I'm just glad he isn't sucking.
2012-11-08 14:01:20
@Crow  @f5alcon So if you're over the cap, you can trade away a high salary guy for a pick (or multiple picks) to get under it, but not the other way around (without an exception)?
2012-11-08 14:01:54
@Jax Raging Bile Duct By Game Score, a simple game-level version of PER, Thabeet's last game was his 3rd best ever. He had a handful or two other decent games his rookie season.
2012-11-08 14:02:28
@BallSoHard I posted this below but one thing we'll have to decide is if we stick with our defense first philosophy or if it my better our chances to trade for a guy like Al Jefferson to exploit miami's obvious weakness.
2012-11-08 14:02:38
@Jax Raging Bile Duct It's not really about his stats...the effort alone is optimistic. He's in better shape than most other bigs out there and he seems like he gets it. How can you not be optimistic so far?
2012-11-08 14:03:20
@okcjim Do we really have a defense first philosophy though?
2012-11-08 14:03:51
@Jax Raging Bile Duct His career bests (separately) are  5-7 shooting, 11 rebs, 5 blocks.
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-11-08 14:04:51
@BallSoHard  If you want optimism, I'll give you this... I don't reach for a consolation beer every time he checks in for Perkins.
2012-11-08 14:05:18
@Jax Raging Bile Duct  @BallSoHard Why do you need a reason to grab a beer?
2012-11-08 14:05:20
@BallSoHard  @Jax The effort is probably better than expected. Not sure how it rates compared to standard expectation for a rotation player. Maybe average on that.
2012-11-08 14:05:32
@BallSoHard that's what they all say the first priority is and that's the only reason Perk plays.
2012-11-08 14:06:25
@BallSoHard  @okcjim The numbers look good at the moment but clearly the top draft picks all went for offense.
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-11-08 14:06:33
@Crow If he puts up 5-7, 11 and 5 in any single game this year, I'll pee my pants in public.
2012-11-08 14:06:45
@Crow @Jax i agree, it is average. Although the guy is the tallest guy in the NBA. This is where the effort stands out...he doesnt seems like the slowest guy on the court all the time.
2012-11-08 14:07:09
@ou_sas  @f5alcon I think so if you have an under the cap trade partner.
2012-11-08 14:07:26
Anyone like Mickael Pietrus for the Thunder? A signing will probably mean less PJIII but we have guy that can get really hot from three and defend wings pretty well.
2012-11-08 14:07:26
@Crow @BallSoHard then we shouldn't have a problem trading perk which is not the case.
2012-11-08 14:08:20
@Jax Raging Bile Duct that achievement would be worth a better "prize"
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-11-08 14:08:37
@BallSoHard  @Crow  The effort is compelling. It's also ironic, since he's giving the most effort I've seen from him in the year where he's earning the lowest wage.   If only that applied to all ball players...
2012-11-08 14:09:20
@Jax Raging Bile Duct  @BallSoHard  @Crow It has to be the atmosphere and his last chance to make something of his career. That's all I can figure.
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-11-08 14:09:36
@Crow True. I'll buy a Hasheem jersey and find a way to get him to sign it.
2012-11-08 14:10:45
@Jax Raging Bile Duct  @BallSoHard His career per minute stats are not bad for a big man, except for turnovers.
9th Wonderous
2012-11-08 14:12:31
So far Kevin Martin has been our best player this season. Very surprising and pleased with his contributions giving the circumstances. Hopefully we can see KD back in form tonight. The 27 ppg KD!
9th Wonderous
2012-11-08 14:13:00
nope, I'll pass.
2012-11-08 14:13:28
@9th Wonderous I want him to put up a 30-spot minimum.
2012-11-08 14:17:05
@9th Wonderous Deng is a solid defender but hope he gets there...
2012-11-08 14:19:39
PJ3 looked scared last game....what was his deal?
2012-11-08 14:20:03
@Jax Raging Bile Duct I'm just excited by the fact that he's a big who seems to be able to catch the ball. That's new for this team.
2012-11-08 14:24:51
Too early to "judge" Maynor but he is career worst on most stats including assists per minute (just half his previous worst). He is getting to the line at near career best rate and he is not fouling anyone.
2012-11-08 14:24:59
@BallSoHard Who knows? Rookie jitters maybe?   I personally believe he hasn't adjusted to the speed of the NBA, as well as not having any true role, which may shake his confidence a tad.
2012-11-08 14:27:39
On winshares per 48 minutes it is a blowout for Martin.   On this per minute boxscore measure Thabeet has surprisingly jumped out to 2nd at the moment.
2012-11-08 14:30:16
@BallSoHard "he's not as good as lamb. Thats his deal."   :rollseyes
OBoy Jones III
2012-11-08 14:31:00
they look a little better in person than they did in a video game. still not great tho
Jax Raging Bile Duct
2012-11-08 14:32:07
@Crow But he's actually TRYING!!! #HasheemArgumentAppliedToMaynor
2012-11-08 14:33:22
Dwight tells Kobe to chill out:   He uses words like 'process' and other Thunder buzz words. Uh, Dwight? This is the effin' Lakers. Your mindset should be win now. There's no "get it together" or anything like that. It should be an acknowledgement that you are playing woefully below where your talent dictates and that you're gonna come out and wreck the league because you're freakin' pissed off.
Lamb Fries (AKA Bry Bry)
2012-11-08 14:34:08
I like em... clean, simple, classic. I like the Waaaaayyyyyy better than the regular jerseys!!!
2012-11-08 14:34:13
Trivia:  the guy who sponsors the Eric Maynor page on basketballreference is the Co-Editor In Chief of Hardwood Paroxysm and| Founder of HoopChalk, NBA X's &amp; O's.   Wonder if he might be OKCbaby. is that you JD?
2012-11-08 14:34:24
@ou_sas LOL Dwight. This isn't Orlando dude.
2012-11-08 14:34:44
@Lambchop   @ou_sas  You clearly don't follow deandre jordan
2012-11-08 14:35:39
@ou_sas maybe they should hire Jason Garrett. He loves in 'process.
2012-11-08 14:36:07
*He loves the 'process'.
2012-11-08 14:36:30
It is good he recognizes it but has a positive atmosphere and attitude right now.  Will he still be in the rotation in the playoffs?
2012-11-08 14:37:14
Will have to check the draft prospects.
2012-11-08 14:38:10
@D-MC def doesnt look NBA ready. The speed of the NBA is a good reference. He's like the complete opposite of Lamb. Lamb is ultra confident.
2012-11-08 14:38:34
@f5alcon  @rednuht Hinrich might be wise to play 3 steps off and encourage him to take outside shots.
2012-11-08 14:39:20
Someone should write captions to the "Thunder alternate jersey" picture above.   KD.... "Seriously, I mean, come on man, seriously"   Russ.... "I'm not turning around, No way Bro!"   Nick.... "Whatever is good for the team I am in 100%."   Serge ..... "I look so good, even these new jerseys look smooth."
2012-11-08 14:44:12
Lakers defense is 25th because of low turnovers forced and high fouling.
2012-11-08 14:46:35
Dwight goes to Kobe's bad side.  Will be quite the drama.
2012-11-08 14:47:45
2012-11-08 14:51:21
I think they relaxed too much thinking Dwight would take care of the defense and he hasn't really.
2012-11-08 14:51:31
@Crow  Kobe is a better person the DHoward.
2012-11-08 14:51:53
@Crow  backcourt was the problem in the first place.
Barry Amenema
2012-11-08 14:56:03
@ou_sas #lunchtabletalk
2012-11-08 14:56:11
Noah / Boozer is the best big pairing the Thunder have faced so far. Boozer has had a slow start to the season and is carrying career lows in many stats, but he's still tricky to defend most nights. Noah has been playing 39 minutes a game and getting to the line a lot more (2.2 more FTAs per 36 than last season). He's been great. Gibson has been playing well. Nazr has been terrible in his limited minutes.
2012-11-08 14:57:46
@Jooseppi *tagged as pregame scout.
2012-11-08 14:57:48
@Crow Fastest way to get the ball back is by letting the other team score.
2012-11-08 14:57:54
Cavs probably continue to refuse to trade Varejao but if they'd listen I'd try to make them a very good offer (giving them young players and draft picks and filler). 15 pts, 14 reb per game with a very high overall ranking. If they asked for Ibaka (and they are likely to), I'd pretend to offended but continue to talk.
2012-11-08 14:58:44
wait, what?
2012-11-08 14:59:04
@Crow I think we could get him and dump Perkins simultaneously if they are willing to let go of some of the Harden haul from Houston and one of Maynor / Jackson.
2012-11-08 14:59:41
@Crow The thunder tried to trade for him prior to acquiring perkins, but he busted his ankle. I'm not sure what the thunder planned to give up.
2012-11-08 14:59:53
Wonder if Brooks gives Jackson more minutes for competition. Not much to show for the minutes he has gotten so far.
2012-11-08 15:01:05
@justin_mia  I think we are prepared to get rid of Maynor.  Probably more disappointed about his poor play for trade reasons than production reasons.
2012-11-08 15:02:56
@Crow I doubt it happens.  Would have no problem with it if they did though.
2012-11-08 15:03:42
Harden's per game stats are impressive but per minute his main improvements are usage, passing, steals and offensive rebounding. His eFG% and TS% are slightly below his career averages. His offensive rating is the lowest since his rookie year. His winshares per 48 minutes is just barely above last season though very good.
2012-11-08 15:03:59
@areayewhy  @Crow Probably something similar. Would they have wanted Green? Maybe. Might have desired more picks than Boston did.
2012-11-08 15:04:46
@justin_mia Yeah it would probably be a big trade in terms of players / assets moved. But I'd look at hard.
2012-11-08 15:05:40
@cemitten Gasol slumping game to game on offense.
2012-11-08 15:05:43
@ou_sas  @9th Wonderous Should have been easy against ATL if Scotty would have remembered how he got a lead in the first half
2012-11-08 15:06:01
@Crow  Getting worse by the game
2012-11-08 15:06:26
Hash vs Nazr matchup should be a dandy
2012-11-08 15:08:29
@cemitten  @justin_mia I'd still rather get rid of Jackson.  Maynor will continue to get back to how he was before the injury.  The main reason I like Maynor is because he is a better distributor.  I woulnd't trade Ibaka for him but I'd give up Perk and either picks or prospects.
2012-11-08 15:09:27
@Jooseppi  Boozer absolutely abused Ibaka in the preseason.  Hopefully Ibaka plays a little better tonight.
2012-11-08 15:09:54
@Crow I kind of like the idea really...but what exactly would the most likely trade scenario look like?
2012-11-08 15:10:17
Cavs about $1.5 below minimum team salary right now. If they don't increase it by end of season they will have to pay the difference to the league office.
2012-11-08 15:12:29
@BallSoHard  @Crow I'll think about it.  I just read Varejao is questionable for tomorrow night with a bruised knee so this talk might all evaporate.
2012-11-08 15:14:35
@BallSoHard T-Rex vs Moob
2012-11-08 15:16:21
Jonas Valanciunas had five fouls in 10 minutes last night, and I was wondering if that was the worst fouling performance of the season so far. He's bested by Ryan Hollins (who had five in 8 minutes against Memphis and fouled out in 12 minutes against the Lakers).
2012-11-08 15:16:43
@BallSoHard Perkins, RJ,  Jones and a future 1st  for Varejao and Casspi? One possibilty.
2012-11-08 15:17:52
2012-11-08 15:19:58
Ryan Hollins has games of 6 fouls in 12 minutes and 5 fouls in 8 minutes.
2012-11-08 15:23:01
@Crow I was wondering who fouled out in fewest minutes played and it was Bubba Wells who fouled out in three minutes... how is that possible? It was against the Bulls so maybe hack-a-Rodman.
2012-11-08 15:23:13
@Crow Yeah, I mentioned it in my post. He's near the top of this list, too (PFs per36 of players that have played at least 36 minutes).
2012-11-08 15:23:50
@Crow It was, and it's on youtube:
2012-11-08 15:23:54
@Crow I hadn't realized Collison had been fouling so much.
2012-11-08 15:27:04
@Crow Rodman's response is pretty funny.
2012-11-08 15:27:53
@Jooseppi Highest since his rookie season but not too awful. 54th worst in the league.
2012-11-08 15:28:27
@Jooseppi Thabeet 11th highest.
2012-11-08 15:31:11
@Jooseppi But only a handful of guys with higher foul rates and higher minutes.
2012-11-08 15:34:04
@Crow That would be a steal for us...seems highly unlikely. Although Varejao isn't young
Thunder S
2012-11-08 15:35:15
I know all these guys are professionals, but cant help but wonder if Maynors production is in part diminished due to Prestis comments. He basically said we cant resign him, and so the writing is on the wall. Hard to play motivated and be productive when you're a stop gap measure.
Stringer Bell
2012-11-08 15:39:20
@Thunder S No, if anything he would be playing harder for a contract.   I think its more to do with coming back from an injury. It can mess with  your psyche a little and Maynor has been playing the same since.
2012-11-08 15:40:58
@BallSoHard He was reading the DT comments from the bench?
2012-11-08 15:41:52
@Jax Raging Bile Duct Hey, we take our optimism where we can get it around here.  :)
OBoy Jones III
2012-11-08 15:48:05
@Thunder S not having a contract is not the reason maynors slower than he was before the knee injury.
2012-11-08 15:52:50
@Crow  Perkins, Jones , Jackson Char's 2nd rounder and Dallas' first for  Varejao and Cle's 2nd rounder.   Almost list two first  rounders and a some tallent for  Varejao
2012-11-08 15:53:49
@Crow  losing PJ3's potential might hurt more so than the positives of gaining Varejao
2012-11-08 15:54:01
@PerkPunt  @Crow We're not getting Varejao without giving up the TOR pick.
2012-11-08 15:55:39
@justin_mia  @Crow  He's already injured.  maybe we just give our first  (no conditions )instead of the 2nd rounder.    We dont give up the TOR pick. i couldnt happen.
2012-11-08 15:59:28
@BallSoHard  @Crow Yeah, they'd ask for more. Probably decline unless they get better but I was looking for the least they might take.
2012-11-08 15:59:55
@PerkPunt  @Crow Jones and Jackson were both low 1st round picks that haven't done anything, okay as filler but not as the backbone of a trade for a good player like AV.
2012-11-08 16:00:43
@PerkPunt  @Crow No.  Way too much
2012-11-08 16:00:55
@justin_mia  @PerkPunt  @Crow That doesnt interest me at all
2012-11-08 16:01:18
@justin_mia  @PerkPunt Cavs have to decide if they want to try to be good in 2 years or 4. If they want to be good in 2 years they'll keep AV. If they target in 4 yrs they might trade him.
Thunder ATX
2012-11-08 16:03:23
"Meh" definitely sums up the new alts.  Mostly forgettable, like the rest of our identity.  Another miss.  I was really hoping for something cool.
2012-11-08 16:04:10
@Crow  @justin_mia  @PerkPunt I woudnt give that Tornoto pick up for an injury prone center
2012-11-08 16:49:04
The NBA is trying to slowly sneak in these new jerseys because they plan on putting ads on them.  So step by step they are hoping they get accepted so in a year or two they will start throwing ads on them and uglifying them.  Personally I will just keep my old personalized jersey, they switch to ads I'm done buying any new ones.
OBoy Jones III
2012-11-08 17:01:30
@grizburton i think they scrapped the ads on jersey thing atleast of now
2012-11-08 17:44:39
Here's my idea for an alternate road jersey...
2012-11-08 18:23:25
This can't be right. It's supposed to say "Thudner", 2K said so.    I'm calling fake on this one.
2012-11-08 18:30:22
@BlueLightSpecial I too was excited for the "Thudner!" lol   On a serious note.  This alternate jersey could be better.  But I do like these.
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