Tibor Pleiss signs 4-year deal in Spain

 @S4TISF4CTION  @OBoymuzik Thats it. He's Solid, plays good defense off the bench

 @jdstorm  @OBoymuzik Boston's backup C ?

Greg Stiemsma??

 @OBoymuzik Serge after a summer of improvement, I cant be bothered looking up names right now but off the top of my head. 

the backup C for Toronto (Aaron Grey?) 

Omar ashik (not sure how to spell it)

Boston's backup C

New Orleans backup big who fouled griffin

 @jdstorm can you give me some examples of cheap bigs capable of defending bynum

 @S4TISF4CTION  @Lost Ones If you ever want to see how to not defend a pick and roll....

 @Jooseppi  @S4TISF4CTION LMAO

 @S4TISF4CTION  @Lost Ones So was the immortal Troy Murphy.

 @Jooseppi  @Lost Ones Royal, Cole, Reggie, and Nazr were all on the court. 

 @Jooseppi  @Legendary_dork I only want 2 people to leave for sure: Fisher and Brooks.

 @Jooseppi  @Legendary_dork DEFINITELY Fisher.

 @Legendary_dork  @wannabeGM Fisher.

 @wannabeGM who would he replace though. cook? 

 @Legendary_dork   I'd LOVE Marion on this team - with a 1 year contract. Doubt he'd agree. :)

 @Lost Ones  @OBoymuzik "cover"

 @Lost Ones  @OBoymuzik Well, that's what I was thinking. Bennett will over the tax for Harden and Ibaka anyway. If they could create some cap room by cutting Perk and get somebody else, it would make sense...next year with Harden and Ibaka getting their raises, that chance is gone. But don't know about that. We'd be back to the usual problem: Who? :)

 @OBoymuzik  @wannabeGM yea, i think its a little to early to talk about amnestying perkins maybe next off-season for sure 

 @wannabeGM  @Lost Ones he won't get amnestied unless all elite teams start playing small ball...and it helps his case that he was injured during the finals

 @wannabeGM  @OBoymuzik  @Lost Ones Amnestying Perk allows OKC to sign Harden and Ibaka at their projected salary (if both take less it's not an issue anyway)... however, a team is still allowed to sign their own players and go over the cap. However, that's on the owners being willing to pay for a title team.

 @wannabeGM  @OBoymuzik  @Lost Ones Would be under the cap but doesn't make a lot of sense this off-season.

 @qrex  @OBoymuzik yea, he's thinking about it , same with jones

 @qrex  @Lost Ones yeah but if he doesn't he'll probably get amnestied

 @Lost Ones  @OBoymuzik Wasn't Miller rumored to be retiring?

 @Jooseppi no i'm just being truthful he's a more effective shooting guard than harden.

 @Prye05  @Old Man Game  @Jooseppi However in most cases the point is moot, because a lack of physical tools is the main reason for growth of BBIQ

 @Old Man Game  @Jooseppi HAHA that would make fun some fun players... mixing and matching various people. As a Thunder fan I think putting Nick's brain in Ibaka would make for a wonderful player as well.

 @Lost Ones I obviously had typo there with 38. it's 48 all the way through there.

 @Lost Ones I want to add in any case, George isn't a shooting guard. He plays there because Granger is there. He'll be a 3 most of his career. Harden will be a 2. Which was the original question aside from all the meaningless talk from both of us about what players might become.

 @Lost Ones Opposing SGs:

48.1 eFG%, 2.7 TO per 48 against George

44.9 eFG%, 2.1 TO per 38 against Harden

Opposing SFs:

44.5 eFG%  2.3 TO per 38 against George

47.3 eFG%  2.2 TO per 38 against Harden

George has a better overall effect on team defense, but he hasn't defended his man as well as people think.

 @Jooseppi  @Lost Ones Harden also has the ball more which leads to more assists.

 @Jooseppi now let's talk about defense, im waiting

 @Lost Ones George's turnover rate was .8 lower and his usage 2.3 points lower. That's not a huge gap. Harden assists better, too. http://bkref.com/tiny/qwPKX

 @Jooseppi Yes, I am aware, are you also aware of how  atrocious harden's defense is as well as his turnover rate per usage rate is?

 @Lost Ones Are you aware how rare it is to get to the level of efficiency Harden got at this season? 

 @Jooseppi  @Lost Ones  @justin_mia George is arguably improving at a faster rate... but the question is whether his rate will catch his production up to where Harden is. Also it's not really fair to compare two different styles of play in terms of offensive impact. KD's scoring is different than Lebron's but they both have huge impacts on offense... George scores different than Harden, he also doesn't have the ball in his hands due to how their offense uses him compared to OKC's use of Harden.

 @Jooseppi  @justin_mia  @Prye05 I believe harden this season was an more efficient version of the player he was all star break and beyond the year before.. if that helps, george has the potential to be beyond that.

 @Lost Ones  @justin_mia  @Prye05 Not just scoring, overall offensive impact. He's a poor defender now but he's getting better. Do you believe Harden is done becoming better as a player?

 @Jooseppi  @justin_mia  @Prye05 efficiency with scoring, if that's what you talking about yea hardens more efficient than george right now; but george has the tools and the upside to be an all around player.

 @justin_mia  @Prye05 I think he has a big upside but not on the level of Harden.

 @Lost Ones What do you mean where? I said he's already there in terms of his efficiency. Also there in terms of his impact. He's already a great player. He just had a spectacular season.

http://bkref.com/tiny/A4wAW

 @Prye05  @Jooseppi I like Paul George.  He fixed a lot in two seasons.  He hit 38% on three pointers, his handle is light years beyond what it was in college already, plus he grew an inch or so since he got drafted.  Very big potential there.

 @Jooseppi Potential always is IF's. The idea of potential is the top end of the someone's ability. George due to his size has arguably more room to expand than Harden does. Whether or not he gets there is a different question. But when talking about 22 yr old's who knows what can happen.

 @Jooseppi  @Prye05 Harden is already where? harden still has a ton of issues himself.

 @Prye05 Lots of ifs there. Harden is already there with his efficiency. I'd shave my head and run naked down I-35 if George ever reaches that level of impact.

He's a SF when they get rid of Granger, anyway. 

 @Prye05  @Jooseppi not to mention he's a top tier defender.

 @Jooseppi I would argue George has more upside. He needs to add some muscle but given his size and length (6'10" SG) he could arguably add dimensions most other people can't. He's already working on some additional post moves similar to Durant using size more than strength. Also he has great leaping ability making him a strong finisher. So i'm not sure how he doesn't have huge upside. If he can learn to play with his size advantage he can be scary on both ends of the floor. Similar to how KD uses his size.

 @Lost Ones  @Prye05 In the same way you see Ibaka's 2 or 3 more levels upside or something more down to earth?

 @Jooseppi  @Prye05 Paul george has huge upside, imo more versatility harden.